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I would love to see the open matte version it sounds very interesting. Personally I just got the 3D Bluray of Jurassic Park and have to say I was blown away by the 3D conversion they did in the film. It looks amazing. I also prefer the colors of this to the 2D Bluray I had beforehand. My only issue is that some of the scenes seemed too dark, although it might be my calibration settings.

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nesboy43 said:

I would love to see the open matte version it sounds very interesting. Personally I just got the 3D Bluray of Jurassic Park and have to say I was blown away by the 3D conversion they did in the film. It looks amazing. I also prefer the colors of this to the 2D Bluray I had beforehand. My only issue is that some of the scenes seemed too dark, although it might be my calibration settings.

You are right! I enjoyed it too, immensely! I went to watch the 3D version five times in the cinemas.
My only issue is that they cropped too much from the original framing, resulting in dinosaur heads and snouts getting cut off the frame. the framing of the 3D version felt too tight in many scenes. They also added some extra sounds which were’nt in the original audio track.

This is why many of us are waiting for a full open matte release of the Poita scan which was used to make the 16:9 version.
Scoodidabop has a copy too, but in his version, the left side of the frame is cropped.
It’d be ideal to have a full width and full height, uncropped version, then anyone can make their own respective fan-edits from that uncropped version.

The two clips released of The Shining print were uncropped, both horizontally, as well as vertically. That’s how Jurassic should be released as well. Especially when the scan exists in the first place.

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Some of my screenshots were later cropped in photoshop so I think that’s what you’re seeing. The video file has the full image shown. The night scenes are indeed pretty crushed unfortunately - added some pics of the dark shots to the same album I posted earlier:

http://imgur.com/a/ice3D

The 3D JP release also contained a few VERY subtle CG fixes. They removed the potted tree and safety cable in the shot where the Trex flips the Explorer over, removed the fishing lines that open up the Dilophosaurs gills, repainted/replaced the backdrop sky when Alan is in the tree with the kids (it was clearly netting before) and one or two more IIRC. Very subtle fixes but tastefully done.

CG
http://i.imgur.com/VyJ2ty5.jpg

Original
http://i.imgur.com/HyYCBAG.jpg

The cropping is indeed super close on the 3D version since they needed to cut some horizontal data for the conversion. Once I noticed how pink/magenta the 3D version is it really started to bug me.

One last example showing how ‘blue’ the laserdisc/DVD (and maybe the VHS? Haven’t compared personally) transfer is.

Here’s the 3D remaster with their new color timing:
http://i.imgur.com/Oge2K67.jpg

DVD:
http://i.imgur.com/QPaXd9V.jpg

My copy (sorry, the screencap is a couple seconds later but you get the idea)
http://i.imgur.com/Q1tPnzh.jpg

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scoodidabop said:

Some of my screenshots were later cropped in photoshop so I think that’s what you’re seeing. The video file has the full image shown. The night scenes are indeed pretty crushed unfortunately - added some pics of the dark shots to the same album I posted earlier:

Relieved to hear it. Please release it for us, please! Also, I tried fixing the black crush in the night scenes of the stills you provided, in photoshop. It can be easily done by decreasing the gamma and adjusting the brightness and contrast a bit. I don’t know if after effects or premiere offers gamma correction. I think they do. So the black crush can be fixed. Please let us know when you can release it. We are all eagerly waiting. Thanks a lot!

Also, what is the native resolution of your HD copy? Please tell us.

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Count me interested in both an open-matte and a 1.85:1 theatrical crop of your copy, Scoodidabop.

(This is a different version than the 16:9 one MrNiceGuy released, right?)

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Resolution is 1280x1080 with 32,000 bitrate. 28gb. I adjusted the saturation and brightness/contrast/exposure a little. Dark scenes were too crushed to reveal full image at times. Very heavy handed brightening done by me on my copy on the Trex paddock scene since it was impossibly dark initially. My scan is a “quick and dirty” 1080 scan.

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scoodidabop said:

Resolution is 1280x1080 with 32,000 bitrate. 28gb. I adjusted the saturation and brightness/contrast/exposure a little. Dark scenes were too crushed to reveal full image at times. Very heavy handed brightening done by me on my copy on the Trex paddock scene since it was impossibly dark initially. My scan is a “quick and dirty” 1080 scan.

Scoodidabop, that’s great for now. But make sure to keep the original reels. In the future, with funding available, people (including me) can contribute and get a 4K scan done from it. Also, please tell us when can you share it, thanks.

P.S: Is there any chance you can get your hands on “The Lost World: JP” and “Jurassic Park 3” 35mm prints as well? Both are open matte. Let me know and we can work something out regarding financing, etc. Others can contribute as well.

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The reels belong to a friend. He managed to get a 4K transfer done. Hopefully the blacks are a little better. I’ll keep you guys posted.

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scoodidabop said:

The reels belong to a friend. Our buddy that did the transfer actually no longer has access to the equipment since he’s changed careers but he managed to get a 4K transfer done of JP before he left. I’ll be getting a copy from him soon. Hopefully the blacks are a little better. I’ll keep you guys posted.

Great! If you can find the 4K scan, then it’d be best if you can create a 19201660 resolution file instead of 12551080. Then it’ll have the full horizontal resolution of HD plus more height. That’ll make any further edits better without having to compromise on quality. Because blowing up 1225 to 1920 will cause artifacts and pixelations. But thanks anyway.
Also, you get far more detail from 4K scan than from a HD, so you can brighten the dark parts on a copy of that scan and then downrez the corrected file to 1920*1660 (approx) and share it with us.

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scoodidabop you just made my day go from good to great. 

You are a scholar and a gentleman.
Cant wait for an open matte 4k scan!

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Papai2013 said:

…it’d be best if you can create a 19201660 resolution file instead of 12551080…
…downrez the corrected file to 1920*1660 (approx) and share it with us.

This, please! 😄

Also, how would you go about brightening the dark parts? Gamma correction? Because I would advise against just raising the brightness, because that would simply wash-out the image (blacks become grey, etc.).

I think the scenes would be best served by staying as dark as they are on the scan, but with as much crushed detail retrieved as possible without making the image literally brighter (I have zero knowledge about how possible this scenario is under the digital circumstances).

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Dek Rollins said:

Papai2013 said:

…it’d be best if you can create a 19201660 resolution file instead of 12551080…
…downrez the corrected file to 1920*1660 (approx) and share it with us.

This, please! 😄

Also, how would you go about brightening the dark parts? Gamma correction? Because I would advise against just raising the brightness, because that would simply wash-out the image (blacks become grey, etc.).

I think the scenes would be best served by staying as dark as they are on the scan, but with as much crushed detail retrieved as possible without making the image literally brighter (I have zero knowledge about how possible this scenario is under the digital circumstances).

In my opinion the scan should be done “AS IS.” As I said in an earlier post, in Photoshop CS3 there is an option called “Exposure,” a term which amateur or professional photographers should be aware of. Now, In the exposure option I decreased “Gamma”, and all the details that were lost in the black crush were retrieved. Next I adjusted the brightness and contrast a bit, only for the black levels, that’s it. A little bit more detail can be gained by lowering the contrast.

But I don’t know how it can be done on photoshop. Some Pshop versions allow video editing, image adjustment. I think Adobe after effects does the job easier, though I have no knowledge of that software.

Image adjustment could be done in Adobe Premiere as well. So it can be done. But we need the Raw Scan.

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The adjustments I made to my 1080p copy were done in Premiere. Increased saturation (no other color timing adjustments done) and some brightness/contrast/gamma settings, very subtly used. I referenced my large collection of production photos for saturation levels.

Original scan:

http://i.imgur.com/te8y1Tx.jpg

Cropped, and adjusted:

http://i.imgur.com/4UDEkrb.jpg

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scoodidabop said:

The adjustments I made to my 1080p copy were done in Premiere. Increased saturation (no other color timing adjustments done) and some brightness/contrast/gamma settings, very subtly used. I referenced my large collection of production photos for saturation levels.

Original scan:

http://i.imgur.com/te8y1Tx.jpg

Cropped, and adjusted:

http://i.imgur.com/4UDEkrb.jpg

It is just really good work! By the way, have you heard from your friend about the original 4K scan copy?

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scoodidabop said:
I referenced my large collection of production photos for saturation levels.

Keep in mind that production photos very often look nothing like the final movie.

If you want to know what corrections make to the scan, you need to project the print.

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True. I don’t have the equipment to do so, unfortunately. A lot of this adjustment starts to become highly subjective in a way.

If you look at the background of the comparison I posted you’ll see some various plants and foliage. In the original they look very washed out and don’t likely appear that way in person. In my adjustment their color is much more rich, and likely closer to how they would naturally appear.

Now, as for the intention of the filmmaker - Spielberg officially signed off on the color timing changes made to the 3D 4k rescan so I guess he likes pink skies and such. As for me, I just want the warmth and grain of film while still being close to the natural appearance of all the excellent set design and production pieces used in the movie.

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Hi scoodidabop,

Any updates on the scan?

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Papai2013 said:

Hi scoodidabop,

Any updates on the scan?

It’ll be a couple months at the least before I get the scan myself. I’ll keep you guys posted.

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Hi, Scoodidabop

Any further news about the JP open matte? It’s been almost two months since we last heard from you, so, just checkin. Anyway, keep up the good work and all the best!

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Haven’t got the 4k yet. It may be another few weeks. Thanks for checking.

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Seeing as your file is 28 gigs, 4K would be overkill for now, I think, at least in terms of the size of that thing. Plus, many of us don’t even have the proper hardware to play such resolutions. The 4K should be kept handy for archival/future proofing.
For the time being, I think its better to just release the 1080p file that you have of 28gb size. Let us know what you think. Thanks.

P.S: Sent you a PM.

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It’s been a long time since I last posted here. Where can I find this open matte version you’re talking about? Why hasn’t it been uploaded to the spleen? I myself like it very much as it has richer colours and better contrast than the other 35mm scan. If possible could the owner create a version cropped to 1.78?

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fmalover said:

It’s been a long time since I last posted here. Where can I find this open matte version you’re talking about? Why hasn’t it been uploaded to the spleen? I myself like it very much as it has richer colours and better contrast than the other 35mm scan. If possible could the owner create a version cropped to 1.78?

Hi fmalover,
Please be patient and read the above posts by the user. A cropped widescreen version is already available, there is no need for another. For the time being, you can look at the 35mm stills and adjust the colour on the version available.