Info Wanted: Pre-'93 Japanese Special Collection LD transfers? — Page 3

msycamore said:

And why not get newsgroup access?

Unless all the search engines are trying to take me for a ride, newsgroups are not free to join =(

I guess so. ;)

Al told us he got some money for his birthday.
Why not buy a gift for yourself from Astraweb?

[Disclaimer: I don't work for Astraweb; I'm just a satisfied customer.]

msycamore said:

Please post some possible interesting finds on the Empire disc when you get the time to check it.

Darth Mallwalker said:

I've gotten roughly half way through the movie. So far, it's not very interesting


Pay no attention to the typo in D16 ;)

Thanks for sharing your finds! But what does this mean exactly? Sorry, maybe I'm stupid but I don't get that diagram you posted. :) Does the Technidisc miss some frames around that reel-change the GOUT have? but does it still have more frames intact compared to the SWE-disc?

And I'll admit, I haven't explained it at all.

Each column is a release, mostly LaserDiscs, except the newest version of that spreadsheet I've inserted a column for Video Collector's ESB_TP also.
Each row is, or strives to be, the same frame of film.
In the GOUT column, those are the frame numbers you'd see in Virtualdub or Avidemux for example, with STAR WARS title card appearing at 688.
For example in GOUT 15585, you look for a '7' pattern beside R2, formed by motion blur in the snowflake trails.

Other columns, those are the frame numbers (actually more akin to 'frame labels' which we talked about briefly in another thread) that you'd see if you turn on your LD player's on-screen display, while in freeze-frame mode.

Yellow cells are missing frames, in that release, or half-missing in some cases.
JSC is missing the most (6.5 frames, or 13 fields) at that first 1000-ft reel change shown in the example.
Both SWE pressing (Techinidisc & Pioneer) are quite similar here, missing exactly the same frames/field although the labels are skewed.

There's more to it, regarding telecine cadence (which frames are 3's and which are 2's in the pulldown pattern) that I'll try to explain later, maybe in my 'reel change' thread.
Earlier in this thread we wondered if JSC & SWE are from the same source?
Well, if their respective pulldowns are out-of-step, they cannot be from the same telecine session.

Anybody interested in hearing more, or will I have no choice but to cancel this project? </offTopicJediTrayRefernce>

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Also, I'm new to the Newsgroup thing, so, if I get a subscription, then I can download anything on a.b. starwars, right?

They're DVD5
Where are you seeing ~1GiB ? (screenshot?)
Each *.VOB file is that size (VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VOB, VTS_01_3.VOB, etc...)
Now I'm confused



They're DVD5 from segaflip, old-skool snail-mail, long time ago...
*.SFV file is from segaflip. Use it to verify, along with *.PAR2 file(s)
I, along with others I'm sure, would try to assist usenet n00bs in such matters.
I'm not so good with Windows software tho

Darth Mallwalker said:

And I'll admit, I haven't explained it at all.

Each column is a release, mostly LaserDiscs, except the newest version of that spreadsheet I've inserted a column for Video Collector's ESB_TP also.
Each row is, or strives to be, the same frame of film.
In the GOUT column, those are the frame numbers you'd see in Virtualdub or Avidemux for example, with STAR WARS title card appearing at 688.
For example in GOUT 15585, you look for a '7' pattern beside R2, formed by motion blur in the snowflake trails.

Other columns, those are the frame numbers (actually more akin to 'frame labels' which we talked about briefly in another thread) that you'd see if you turn on your LD player's on-screen display, while in freeze-frame mode.

Yellow cells are missing frames, in that release, or half-missing in some cases.
JSC is missing the most (6.5 frames, or 13 fields) at that first 1000-ft reel change shown in the example.
Both SWE pressing (Techinidisc & Pioneer) are quite similar here, missing exactly the same frames/field although the labels are skewed.

There's more to it, regarding telecine cadence (which frames are 3's and which are 2's in the pulldown pattern) that I'll try to explain later, maybe in my 'reel change' thread.
Earlier in this thread we wondered if JSC & SWE are from the same source?
Well, if their respective pulldowns are out-of-step, they cannot be from the same telecine session.

Anybody interested in hearing more, or will I have no choice but to cancel this project?

Yeah, I got the general idea behind it. It's just that those numbers didn't make sense to me anyway. But what I get or not doesn't really matter, as long as it is investigated if it's a different telecine or not I'm happy. ;) Do both SWE pressings of Empire have identical framing/cropping, or are they slightly different as the Star Wars discs displayed?

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Out of curiosity, which does everyone think has the best looking DVNR-free transfer of all:

• The PAL Laserdiscs (the ones that Lee and Moth3r transfered)
• The Japanese Special Collection
• The Special Widescreen Edition (including Darth Mallwalker's Smear-Free Find)?

 

I'm just curious. By reading this thread, it seems the consensus that the JSC looks best, so I just want to make sure I'm right.

 Those PAL Laserdiscs are not DVNR-free.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Asaki, did you ever get the 1992 Letterbox VHS set? I have a copy in storage and was wondering if it was worth it to pull it out.

 Just got it today. It looks pretty awesome for a VHS that's almost 20 years old, I have newer VHSes that don't look this good.

Can't wait to check it out on the HD tonight, it should look even better there. On this analogue TV the picture is so sharp that it flickers >_< But then this VCR might have something to do with that (Sharp VC-H810), it's got a whole lot of impressive sounding fancy jargon written on the front of it.

Edit: I'm surprised to find that Hoth is very white here, even in the day-for-night shots. I suspect the Death Star will be very gray in EpIV, like the JSC was, but I'm curious to see if there'll be blue stars later on. I'm just sort of skimming around at the moment.

Well, it looks better and worse on the big screen. Does look better through this VCR than through others, but it's certainly not as nice as a Laserdisc rip...it really does make you appreciate LD much more when you can compare it side-by-side.

Gray Death Star as predicted, also I noticed it has those two burns over the droids at the beginning.

Had to zoom out the picture for the Greedo scene, since the subtitles are way at the bottom of the black bar =|

But hey, if you already have the set, I'd say watch it (especially if you're on an analogue TV)...it's going to be a heck of a wait before any JSC sets come out of the full trilogy.

Edit: RotJ does not look quite as good as the other two...