Darth Mallwalker, are you planning to make a preservation from your smear-free ANH laserdisc? I'm just curious. If you have already announced anything regarding this and I simply missed it, I apologize.
Moth3r said:
Laserman once offered to send me the X0 capture of the JSC - under the condition that I claimed it was my own capture, so the rest of the X0 team wouldn't find out.
??... Why do such a thing?
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msycamore said:
Moth3r said:
Laserman once offered to send me the X0 capture of the JSC - under the condition that I claimed it was my own capture, so the rest of the X0 team wouldn't find out.
??... Why do such a thing?
Laserman probably wanted the raw capture to somehow make its way out and be released. He may have seen how it was not being released by the X0 team and wanted to intercede (possibly a final wish). He probably didn't want to offend the team and decided to try to release it through Moth3r. Although, with the recent posts on the X0 thread, it seems that the raw capture probably will be released and Laserman's wish fulfilled. Note that this is just me speculating... it's possible Laserman might have entirely different motives.
Looks like I picked a bad time to want to rewatch Star Wars =/
My letterbox VHS auction got sniped at the last minute, and now my "tons of these for dirt cheap" have all dried up. Since I've already got the V8 for EpIV, and Adywan's EpV reconstruction isn't too shabby...I'm not sure I want to pay a minimum of $15-20 just for EpVI =(
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Asaki said:
Looks like I picked a bad time to want to rewatch Star Wars =/
My letterbox VHS auction got sniped at the last minute, and now my "tons of these for dirt cheap" have all dried up. Since I've already got the V8 for EpIV, and Adywan's EpV reconstruction isn't too shabby...I'm not sure I want to pay a minimum of $15-20 just for EpVI =(
Which VHS letterbox set were you looking at?
The 1992 (NTSC) one.
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Asaki said:
The 1992 (NTSC) one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1992-Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-VHS-Letterbox-Boxed-set-/220735896028?pt=VHS&hash=item3364e279dc
I found this one above....it's the Hologram box set....4 days left on it.
:)
The only early VHS set I have is the 1984-86 set, but I believe it's full screen. I've got the Faces VHS Collectors Widescreen Box.
The one you're searching for, is it the VHS companion to the DC?
Not trying to speak for Asaki, but I'll WAGer 'VHS companion to the SWE' is what he's after.Jetrell Fo said:
the VHS companion to the DC?
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
Jetrell Fo said:
I found this one above....it's the Hologram box set....4 days left on it.
Yeah, there are a few still up, but I was much more willing to pay the < $10 prices that they'd been going for up until a few days ago...
So I guess I either need to be more patient, or pull a Dr. Georgelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the GOUT.
Jetrell Fo said:
The one you're searching for, is it the VHS companion to the DC?
Not that I'm aware of, it's pre-THX. I've read some who say that this VHS set, the Fox Special Widescreen LaserDiscs, and the Japanese Special Collection are all from the same master, but I've also read that they're not...so...Idunno.
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Hi Guys. I've been an avid reader of this forum since about 2007 I guess. This is my first post because it's maybe the first time I've had an idea that might be worth posting. I'm sure some of you guys know this already but I haven't seen it mentioned in arnie's or dark_jedi's JSC threads.
I have a cld-hf9g and the JSC trilogy which I've been trying to capture and encode but I have run into the same problem as everyone else. The IVTC is very hard to get right.
I've noticed however that the frame counter on the laserdisc player is displaying frames at 24 fps/sec. I did a little reading around and found this page. According to this if you use freeze frame on a cav disc it will ignore the pulldown flags and display the frames progressively at 24fps, albeit one by one. It seems like a colossal undertaking to capture the whole movie frame by frame but maybe it's the best way? Maybe with a laserdisc player that accepts rs-232 commands it would be possible to write a script to increment the frames and take snapshots of them.
I could be mistaken about all of this so if it's garbage someone feel free to let me know.
Luke threw twice…maybe.
If it works it's definitely worth a try. Isn't that how the WorkPrinter scans 16mm reels, take a shot, advance one frame, take another?
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
I had considered that, but I figured it would be too much work for anyone to actually bother.
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althor1138 said:
Hi Guys. I've been an avid reader of this forum since about 2007 I guess. This is my first post because it's maybe the first time I've had an idea that might be worth posting. I'm sure some of you guys know this already but I haven't seen it mentioned in arnie's or dark_jedi's JSC threads.
I have a cld-hf9g and the JSC trilogy which I've been trying to capture and encode but I have run into the same problem as everyone else. The IVTC is very hard to get right.
I've noticed however that the frame counter on the laserdisc player is displaying frames at 24 fps/sec. I did a little reading around and found this page. According to this if you use freeze frame on a cav disc it will ignore the pulldown flags and display the frames progressively at 24fps, albeit one by one. It seems like a colossal undertaking to capture the whole movie frame by frame but maybe it's the best way? Maybe with a laserdisc player that accepts rs-232 commands it would be possible to write a script to increment the frames and take snapshots of them.
I could be mistaken about all of this so if it's garbage someone feel free to let me know.
The manual IVTC is a bitch, but I personally would MUCH rather do that then grab each frame individually, screw that, if you have the patience to do that, more power to you and good luck, I have already manually IVTC'd the entire Trilogy and have all the Japanese subtitles gone, so now I can do with it whatever I want.
again, good luck on your project.
althor1138 said:
I did a little reading around and found this page.
ld12.txt said:
CAV discs with incorrect white
flags are relatively common.
[...]
It is possible to make a CAV disc that can
properly freeze every original 24 fps source frame. Unfortunately, some
producers don't bother,
[...]
The edit sheet
that needs to be filled out can be very complicated and time consuming.
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
Dark_Jedi, I'm glad you've succeeded. I'll probably continue with my manual IVTC as well just because of the time it would take me to manually freeze and capture each frame. However, I did a little test run of about 1500 frames just as a proof of concept and it seems to work rather well. I'm pretty sure I'd lose my mind if I did over 170,000 frames this way though.
Mallwalker, thanks for the info and the experience. I pulled up frame 17087 on side 2 of JSC ANH and it's a blended frame. One field is Tarkin with vader standing to his right just after choking out a dissident officer. The other field is R2-D2 helping 3po burn some Jawas.
This set is so screwed up but to my eyes it looks a lot better than the DC or Faces when it is in motion. If anyone finds a bulletproof way to IVTC this thing automatically please let me know :).
Luke threw twice…maybe.
althor1138 said:
This set is so screwed up but to my eyes it looks a lot better than the DC or Faces when it is in motion. If anyone finds a bulletproof way to IVTC this thing automatically please let me know :).
You are absolutely right this set is SCREWED up, but a lot of people seem to really like it, me not so much, and the ONLY sure fire way to IVTC this is to do it manually, I have tried a ton of auto IVTC filters and NONE will do it all correctly, some come close, but not close enough.
Asaki said:
Jetrell Fo said:
I found this one above....it's the Hologram box set....4 days left on it.
Yeah, there are a few still up, but I was much more willing to pay the < $10 prices that they'd been going for up until a few days ago...
So I guess I either need to be more patient, or pull a Dr. Georgelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the GOUT.
Jetrell Fo said:
The one you're searching for, is it the VHS companion to the DC?
Not that I'm aware of, it's pre-THX. I've read some who say that this VHS set, the Fox Special Widescreen LaserDiscs, and the Japanese Special Collection are all from the same master, but I've also read that they're not...so...Idunno.
althor1138 said:
This set is so screwed up but to my eyes it looks a lot better than the DC or Faces when it is in motion.
After seeing it for myself (EpIV at least), I agree 100%. All my life, I always thought it was just that blurry because it was such an old movie :| I have a much easier time ignoring the occasional black dots and the random glue bits (which wouldn't be that hard to edit out if anyone really wanted to).
I'm really curious to see how the other two movies look pre-THX, since everyone agrees that the first movie got the worst of it.
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I know I'm a bit late to the discussion, but, Asaki, have you checked out Moth3r's PAL laserdisc preservation? If I remember correctly, the PAL laserdiscs had less DVNR than the GOUT or NTSC counterparts. If PAL is an issue for you, then you can check out Doctor M's Reinventing the Wheel conversions of these sets. Also, Lee Thorogood's set is sourced from a set with less DVNR, you may want to check those out when they are released.
Also, more non-DVNR releases of the original unaltered trilogy include the Star Wars widescreen bootleg that Moth3r found, the widescreen Catnap bootleg, the Puggo Grande, the Stjarnornas Krig, or any of the old Star Wars VHS releases (though these were in full screen).
Molly said:
If it works it's definitely worth a try. Isn't that how the WorkPrinter scans 16mm reels, take a shot, advance one frame, take another?
Yes, at about 6 frames per second. It would be the understatement of the century to say that doing that by hand would take take a lot of patience.
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The Aluminum Falcon said:
...Asaki, have you checked out Moth3r's PAL laserdisc preservation?
Yes, I've checked out the Reinventing the Wheel set before. It was nice before the GOUT came out, but as Lee recently pointed out, the PAL releases are very, very soft looking.
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Also, more non-DVNR releases of the original unaltered trilogy include the Star Wars widescreen bootleg that Moth3r found, the widescreen Catnap bootleg, the Puggo Grande, the Stjarnornas Krig, or any of the old Star Wars VHS releases (though these were in full screen).
Most of those are only the first movie, for which I already have Arnie.d's excellent V8. I just wish he could've gotten the rest of the trilogy out there before moving on to the vaporware X9 project (though those captures from it did look very impressive...almost more detailed than the GOUT).
Going to check out Harmy's EpVI reconstruction soon though, hopefully that will tide me over for the time being.
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The Aluminum Falcon said:
Darth Mallwalker, are you planning to make a preservation from your smear-free ANH laserdisc? I'm just curious.
I am curious to, he seems to think he found the Holy Grail, so let's hope he gives us a quality release better than any other LD preservation of this title.
Asaki, did you ever get the 1992 Letterbox VHS set? I have a copy in storage and was wondering if it was worth it to pull it out.
Also, forgive me for not being the best at knowing the laserdisc releases, but does the "Special Widescreen Edition" collection use the Definitive Collection master or the JSC master? I know that ANH is the JSC master (with the shrinking ratio error though Darth Mallwalker seems to have found a fixed version); however, are ESB and ROTJ also sourced from the JSC masters?
I just won the VHS set the other day, it probably won't get here for another week or two.
One thing I will say, though...I've got the VCR going composite video into an HDTV and I'm very surprised at the quality. I guess I was expecting it to look more like a nth generation 1970 televised concert bootleg VCD...or like Comcast's SD offerings... ¬_¬ *cough cough*
From what I understand, ESB and RotJ are also sourced from the JSC...but as I said, I'm no expert on these matters...apparently someone somewhere in the massive X0 thread says that the JSC and the SWE are different masters, but I really do not have the patience to dig through 80+ pages just to find out.
As far as I know, the DC is post-THX/Lowrey/etc. But I could be wrong, I didn't get to put too much research into it.
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The Aluminum Falcon said:
Also, forgive me for not being the best at knowing the laserdisc releases, but does the "Special Widescreen Edition" collection use the Definitive Collection master or the JSC master? I know that ANH is the JSC master (with the shrinking ratio error though Darth Mallwalker seems to have found a fixed version); however, are ESB and ROTJ also sourced from the JSC masters?
Finally, can any kind soul upload DJ and Sega's JSC transfer to Megaupload or a torrent? I don't have newsgroup access, and it would be much appreciated.
The Definitive Collection LD set was released in '93, and that telecine is the source of all evil.
The Special Widescreen Edition LD's was the last pre-THX release and they uses the same telecine as the Japanese Special Collection LD's but apparently the picture quality on the Japanese pressing are slightly better than their US counterparts.
The fixed version of SW, Mallwalker found seems to be a different telecine, it doesn't lack those frames the JSC did, different cropping, different looking splices and it also includes a few damaged frames in the blockade runner that are fine on the JSC.
And why not get newsgroup access?
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
