So I’ve watched OCP’s Classic Edition Trilogy and I liked it quite a bit (despite some rough video in spots). However, one disappointment for me was the lack of 5.1 audio. I absolutely understand the reasons for using 2 channel sound. However, I’m wondering if anyone has done something similar but with 5.1. Forgive my laziness in asking this - I did do a bit of searching but didn’t turn up much.
None of the oot ever had 5.1 audio.
Sure Lucasfilm could have made a 5.1 mix for the bonus dvd and had the originals restored in anamorphic instead they just dumped them to disc and called it a day after reencoding the 2 channel lossless PCM to crappy dolby low bitrate 2.0.
The closest thing ever to a 5.1 was the original magnetic six track mixes on the 70mm presentations of the trilogy. The first 5.1 mix was done for the 1997 theatrical special edition, sure someone could use this as a base and edit it for the oot but who wants to do that?
It was on the special editions laserdisc as an ac3 but you needed to decode the analog channel it was stored on through the ac3 rf out of a compatible player and run it through a compatible receiver or a decoder.
Stored at a much lower bitrate than the 2 channel digital PCM track, depends on what you think sounds better.
Ocp's dvds had a home brew audio for star wars, empire and jedi. Not sure too much what he did on empire and jedi, i know he added stuff from the mono mix to star wars from an unrestored audio source probably the ac3 1 channel from the editdroid prototype disc. I think he used audacity a freeware program for the audio.
The thx demo on the star wars disc is fan made and not official, still pretty cool if low res.
These were made before the gout was released, i think he used moth3r's pal transfers, and the 2004 ntsc boxset of dvd's. Mixing Pal and NTSC sources, not sure if he even properly rencoded the pal to ntsc, as i have heard some complaints from people who have seen this set. The Laserdisc transfers with the 2004 or gout with 2004 are not a good match, the colors are all over the place between the versions as is the stark difference in grain and the generation the source was scanned from.
They have to be color corrected frame by frame something mr gilchrist obviously did not do as it would be even more tedious than his digitally painting out the 1997 or 2004 cgi.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
TV's Frink said:
I'm wondering if anyone has done something similar but with 5.1
dark_jedi did anamorphic versions of the GOUT using G-force's stabilization script, and an anti-aliasing script. He also added 5.1 mixes to all three (which I think were hybrid mixes done by hairy_hen?**) The 3 films also have 2.0 mixes, and SW has the mono mix as well:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Projects-GOUT-sourced/topic/10550/
** http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/adding-LFE-to-GOUT/topic/9728/
Thanks Mielr. Looks like I've got some reading to do :-)
You could produce a fake 5.1 mix using Sony Vegas, TVF. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would certainly suffice, and it's dead easy to do.
Chewtobacca said:
You could produce a fake 5.1 mix using Sony Vegas, TVF. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would certainly suffice, and it's dead easy to do.
Thanks Chewtobacca, but I've never tried out an editing program before and wouldn't have the first clue how to do something like this. I'm a reasonably patient person, so I'll be waiting/hoping for others like dark_jedi to lead the way.
And thanks for the additional info skyjedi2005.
TV's Frink said:
Thanks Chewtobacca, but I've never tried out an editing program before and wouldn't have the first clue how to do something like this.
If you can't get hold of dark_jedi's versions, let me know, and I'll see if I can find OCP's trilogy and upmix the soundtracks for you. I take it you could rip the video from your copies yourself and author a disc if I uploaded an AC3 5.1?
Both version 1 & 2 have the custom Dolby Digital 5.1 audio so why would you make up a shitty Vegas upmix version? just rip the audio off the discs you got,these sound way better than what Vegas produces,Vegas 5.1 upmix sounds very echoey not to good at all,at least not to me.
and if your wondering, the only difference between version 1 and version 2 is the subtitle placement,in the first version it was down in the bottom black bar portion,in version 2 it is in the lower portion of the video,in my opinion where it should have been to begin with,and also version 2 has the "Magic Tree" fix for ESB,there was a section of the video that got very jerky\stuttering during this scene in version 1(wish I would have caught that before uploading)anything else just ask.
dark_jedi said:
Both version 1 & 2 have the custom Dolby Digital 5.1 audio so why would you make up a shitty Vegas upmix version? just rip the audio off the discs you got from the newsgroups,these sound way better than what Vegas produces,Vegas 5.1 upmix sounds very echoey not to good at all,at least not to me.
Well, I thought your audio mix would be out of sync with the video from the other version. I know it's the same film, but different versions are not often in sync, and I wasn't sure if TVF knew how to sync it. I offered a Vegas upmix, as I thought it was the best I could do under the circumstances. (I know they're not perfect.)
Thanks for your offer of help, dark_jedi. I appreciate it, and it's nice to see you again. I'm sure TVF will manage to track down your versions, anyway. :-)
So he wants to sync the DD 5.1 audio from the set I upped to OCP's Classic Edition,personally I like my version better than the classic editions,but I guess I would be a little biased LOL.
TVF you might want to check out the video on these ,you might like these just the way they are instead of the classic editions.
Thanks for the discussion guys. My main goal is to get something similar to OCP's versions in 5.1, but if the video is improved, even better. It sounds like my best bet is to track down your v2 dark_jedi. Are they going to be uploaded to RS at some point?
