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It doesn't matter, as it has been pointed out that there is no PAL DVD of the "purist" version.

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I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

*George must sit back and laugh when he sees the most popular topic on this forum isn't the petition, but rather a fan edit that is basically "the extra special edition."

*(assuming he's actually seen this forum)

 

 

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Jaitea said:

With all this talk of 'The Purist' etc, is there anywhere I could find a copy (PAL) and 'Revisited' (PAL-DVD-9) as i only have the NTSC DVD-9......I might have a muck about with them.

J

 Are you in need of a copy of the Purist version? I could help out there.......

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Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

That's ridiculous.  Go away.

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muddyknees2000 said:

 Are you in need of a copy of the Purist version? I could help out there.......

P.M. sent

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Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

*George must sit back and laugh when he sees the most popular topic on this forum isn't the petition, but rather a fan edit that is basically "the extra special edition."

*(assuming he's actually seen this forum)

 

 

Then stick with the GOUT, projects based on improving the GOUT, or Japanese Special Collection laserdisc preservations.  Why even post in this thread?

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Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

*George must sit back and laugh when he sees the most popular topic on this forum isn't the petition, but rather a fan edit that is basically "the extra special edition."

*(assuming he's actually seen this forum)

I was going to give you a detailed explanation as to why the two cases aren't even remotely comparable, but I thought better of it. If you're too dense to figure it out on your own, then why bother?

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TV's Frink said:

Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

That's ridiculous.  Go away.

Nope, sorry, This is completely valid.

The entire point of this web site was to preserve the original trilogy. And that's mainly because most of us were disgusted with the changes made by George Lucas.  Some of us feel art should remain consistent to its original vision. Adding your own changes makes you just as bad as George Lucas, if not worse. (At least he can say "they're my films.") 

No amount of insults will change the truth.

George has finally won the battle with the OT purists on this forum. And I'm sure if he's seen this place he knows it.

 

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Akwat Kbrana said:

Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

*George must sit back and laugh when he sees the most popular topic on this forum isn't the petition, but rather a fan edit that is basically "the extra special edition."

*(assuming he's actually seen this forum)

I was going to give you a detailed explanation as to why the two cases aren't even remotely comparable, but I thought better of it. If you're too dense to figure it out on your own, then why bother?

You were going to, but you couldn't. That's the real truth. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand the irony created by the popularity of the Adywan Fan Edits on this forum.

This web site is called Original Trilogy for a reason. And yet the most popular subject on this site isn't the petition for which it was created, but rather a steroid-pumped fan edit that is nothing more than "The Extra Special Edition."

You know what would "improve" Star Wars? More digital Tie-Fghters!

(For the record, most people feel Star Wars does not need improvement.)

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Crygor64 said: The entire point of this web site was to preserve the original trilogy. And that's mainly because most of us were disgusted with the changes made by George Lucas.  Some of us feel art should remain consistent to its original vision. Adding your own changes makes you just as bad as George Lucas, if not worse. (At least he can say "they're my films.") 

Yes; this site is here to preserve the theatrical versions of the original trilogy, but that does not mean that people here have to dislike the concept of a special edition.  I have no problem whatsoever with any filmmaker making a special edition or director's cut of one of their films, even it turns out to be radically different from the theatrical cut, as long as the theatrical version is treated as a part of cinema history and preserved in high quality.

Adywan wants both the original trilogy and his ideal versions preserved and available to people.  George Lucas only wants the latter, and is strongly opposed to the former.  That is what makes Adywan and George Lucas different.  In fact, Adywan has already restored the theatrical cut of The Empire Strikes in the highest quality that he could, and has pledged to restore Star Wars (A New Hope) too.  We all hope that he will turn his efforts towards Return of the Jedi in due course.

Furthermore, I am not certain that Adywan's edits are the most popular feature of the site, although I can see why you would think that.  It is true that the threads for ANH:R and ESB:R are the biggest, but that is because the majority of the interest in making additions and changes to the films is concentrated in those two places, whereas posts by those primarily interested in preservations are dispersed throughout the many project and technical discussion threads that relate to preservations.  There is also the fact that discussion of new ideas generates many posts, whereas with preservations people more or less agree on what needs to be done and there is less to debate.  Finally, there is the fact that people frequently use Adywan's threads for off topic discussion, which is why I rarely read them any more (although I admit that I have been guilty of this myself on more than one occasion.)

 

 

 

 

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Crygor64 said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

*George must sit back and laugh when he sees the most popular topic on this forum isn't the petition, but rather a fan edit that is basically "the extra special edition."

*(assuming he's actually seen this forum)

I was going to give you a detailed explanation as to why the two cases aren't even remotely comparable, but I thought better of it. If you're too dense to figure it out on your own, then why bother?

You were going to, but you couldn't. That's the real truth. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand the irony created by the popularity of the Adywan Fan Edits on this forum.

*sigh* Ok, I'll bite.

The flaw in your reasoning stems from this kind of thinking:

 

The entire point of this web site was to preserve the original trilogy. And that's mainly because most of us were disgusted with the changes made by George Lucas.  Some of us feel art should remain consistent to its original vision. Adding your own changes makes you just as bad as George Lucas, if not worse. (At least he can say "they're my films.") 

 

As it happens, most of us were disgusted with the SE changes, but that's not the main reason this web site was created. This website was created because George Lucas actively buried the theatrical versions, and took measures to revise cultural history by replacing them with his new improved versions. Most of us see that move as disgusting, not the concept of a SE in and of itself (as Chewtobacca aptly stated). Now presumably, if George went ahead and released the OOT in acceptable quality, none of us would give a rat's ass whether or not he continued to sell the SE OT as well. Because nobody would then be foisting the revised versions on us. The SE fans would watch their versions, we would watch our versions, and all would be well.

But whereas the SE's have become the means by which George suppresses the OOT, the same cannot be said of Adywan's Revisited edits. They're just another fun (and more impressively executed) alternative to the SE OT, if one is so inclined to watch something like that. You obviously aren't that kind of person. Ok, so don't download them, don't watch them, and quit whining. No one's forcing you to watch Revisited. Adywan isn't replacing the OOT with his versions as George Lucas has, so the two cases aren't parallel in the least.

Furthermore, Adywan's ESB theatrical reconstruction is the closest facsimile we have of the original film in reasonable quality, so you should be grateful for his efforts if you really care about the plight of the OOT. For my part, I wish him luck with both his Revisited edits as well as his planned ANH reconstruction.

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Crygor64 said:

TV's Frink said:

Crygor64 said:

I am a complete purist. I think the very idea of adding new scenes, new effects, etc makes you just as bad as George Lucas. It also undermines the very reason they created this forum.

That's ridiculous.  Go away.

Nope, sorry, This is completely valid.

The entire point of this web site was to preserve the original trilogy. And that's mainly because most of us were disgusted with the changes made by George Lucas.  Some of us feel art should remain consistent to its original vision. Adding your own changes makes you just as bad as George Lucas, if not worse. (At least he can say "they're my films.") 

No amount of insults will change the truth.

George has finally won the battle with the OT purists on this forum. And I'm sure if he's seen this place he knows it.

Chew and Akwat have made some valid points to set you straight.  I'll just add three thoughts:

1) You're posting in the fanedit forum, the point of which is to make changes to the original films.  If you don't like it, you should be bitching about the existence of this particular forum in the first place, not about a specific edit. Go bitch in the "Suggestions" forum, not this one.

2) Comparing faneditors to Lucas is not only false logic, it's insulting to the faneditors whose hard work is done out of love for the material, rather than love of profit, stubbornness, and the desire to erase history.

3)

 

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It's almost Halloween and the same old ghosts are in town.

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Sorry folks, while I know my harsh words may have ruffled a few feathers, and I'm glad some of you took the time to write detailed responses (which I read but did not agree with), my point is still entirely valid.

Some of us don't feel the original trilogy needs "improvement." If you condemn George for making changes and yet you support Adywan and his "Extra Special Editions" you are a total hypocrite. There's no denying that truth. I'm not saying this to flame or to cause trouble, its just the truth. And someone needs to say this. Its loooong overdue.

This forum has roughly 60,000 posts. 30,000 of those posts are in two topics related to Adywan's "Extra Special Editions." If George has seen this is must make him laugh.

For once, it looks like he finally got the last laugh.

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fishmanlee said:

heres another point: Adywan uses the "Less is more" approach, George does not

Doesn't matter. Changes are changes.

And Adywan surely does NOT use the less is more approach. Instead his idea of "improvement" is to add more tie-fighters, more AT-ATs, etc.

How does that help the story? How does that "improve" the original trilogy? It doesn't.

As a purist I know the OT is a product of its time. Its perfect in its imperfection. Adding more stuff only hurts these classic films.

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Crygor64 said:

Sorry folks, while I know my harsh words may have ruffled a few feathers, and I'm glad some of you took the time to write detailed responses (which I read but did not agree with), my point is still entirely valid.

Your point is not valid because you are in the WRONG FUCKING THREAD AND FORUM.

If you don't like fanedits, that is your right, but GTFO of the fanedit forum.

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TV's Frink said:

Crygor64 said:

Sorry folks, while I know my harsh words may have ruffled a few feathers, and I'm glad some of you took the time to write detailed responses (which I read but did not agree with), my point is still entirely valid.

Your point is not valid because you are in the WRONG FUCKING THREAD AND FORUM.

If you don't like fanedits, that is your right, but GTFO of the fanedit forum.

You need to calm down and get some manners.

A question was asked and I answered it. If you don't like my reply GTFO off the internet. Seriously, maybe you don't understand. The Internet is a place where people share their opinions and ideas.

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Crygor64 said:

 

fishmanlee said:

heres another point: Adywan uses the "Less is more" approach, George does not

Doesn't matter. Changes are changes.

And Adywan surely does NOT use the less is more approach. Instead his idea of "improvement" is to add more tie-fighters, more AT-ATs, etc.

How does that help the story? How does that "improve" the original trilogy? It doesn't.

As a purist I know the OT is a product of its time. Its perfect in its imperfection. Adding more stuff only hurts these classic films.

 and he also removed several bad cg sequences, took out a certain amount of CG creatures and made han shoot first returned the obi-wan hut scene to its original edit and all of the changes he has made are justifiable, unlike george, why do we need a flying droid behind stormtroopers? why would there need to be those big lizard things? (can't remember its name)

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Crygor64 said:

TV's Frink said:

Crygor64 said:

Sorry folks, while I know my harsh words may have ruffled a few feathers, and I'm glad some of you took the time to write detailed responses (which I read but did not agree with), my point is still entirely valid.

Your point is not valid because you are in the WRONG FUCKING THREAD AND FORUM.

If you don't like fanedits, that is your right, but GTFO of the fanedit forum.

You need to calm down and get some manners.

A question was asked and I answered it. If you don't like my reply GTFO off the internet. Seriously, maybe you don't understand. The Internet is a place where people share their opinions and ideas.

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Crygor64 said:

Some of us don't feel the original trilogy needs "improvement." If you condemn George for making changes and yet you support Adywan and his "Extra Special Editions" you are a total hypocrite. There's no denying that truth. I'm not saying this to flame or to cause trouble, its just the truth. And someone needs to say this. Its loooong overdue.

 

 I don't think many people really condemn him for the changes, just that the changes he made were mostly bad.  Not the case with Adywan, which is another difference between the two.

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Some of the same people who have made fan-edits or helped fund or support them have done the same with preservations.

Adywan has made several preservation projects.

The two go hand in hand.

Wanting the original versions does not contradict making better (or if you prefer different) versions of the SE.

They are two different but not exclusive aims.

Already Ady has made a very good reconstruction of the theatrical version of ESB, the picture is clearer the sound mix is spot on the odious blue tint is gone.

He has made a similar preservation of the official SEs and he does these Revisited fan edits too.

He hasn't made one screwed up re-edit and begrudgingly tossed in an half arsed version of the original which he would prefer we'd all forget about.

He plans to do the PT too and had already made a preservation of the theatrical cut and official version of TPM (with the strange pink tint removed).

The theatrical cut of TPM was never released on DVD.

I for one wouldn't mind a infinite number of versions of these films if I could see the original versions, properly restored and available to be seen at home and in cinemas when requested.

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Here's the thing, Crygor:

I don't care if Lucas wants to keep changing his movies.  Some of the changes he makes are good, some are bad, but he can change it as much as he wants.  I don't, as you say, "condemn George for making changes."

The reason I'm here is because he won't allow the original version to be available in decent quality.  That's the point of this site.  You seem to think it's an anti-SE site, but it's not.  It's a pro-preservation site.  That's what I condemn - the suppression of the originals.

Hell, one of the preservation sets I'm most looking forward to is a preservation of the 1997 SE, because I haven't seen it in at least six years.  Yes, I also believe George should make that version available in decent quality.

Now what Adywan is doing is not replacing the originals.  It's making an alternate version that you can choose to watch, or choose not to watch.  Which is exactly what the Special Editions should be, but aren't, because George won't release the originals.

But hey, guess what else Adywan has done?  He's released a high-quality DVD of the theatrical cut of Episode I, which has never been available on DVD.  He's also released a high-quality DVD reconstruction of the theatrical cut of Empire, which looks substantially better than the 2006 GOUT DVD.  He's doing much of what Lucas should be doing - giving us cool, alternate versions with new effects to keep things fresh, while keeping the original versions available in comparable quality so that the alternate versions stay just that - alternates, not replacements.

TL;DR = Pretty much what Bingowings said, but slightly longer