muddyknees2000 said:
Seems that the problem would be in keeping the new duel, and its sounds, but in removing the new music and possibly the slowdown of Ben's death.....between the 2004 DVD, Revisited, and Purist.....does anyone think they have the know how to pull this off? (after that, restoring the conference room audio should be a piece of cake)
When you want things that specific it's difficult to find someone willing to do it. Your best bet is to learn how yourself.
muddyknees2000 said:
Seems that the problem would be in keeping the new duel, and its sounds, but in removing the new music and possibly the slowdown of Ben's death.....between the 2004 DVD, Revisited, and Purist.....does anyone think they have the know how to pull this off? (after that, restoring the conference room audio should be a piece of cake)
I think the fix is simpler than you're envisioning it. If I understand the problem rightly, all you'd need to do is use ANH:R as a base, then replace the entire duel scene with the video + audio from Purist...unless I'm missing something.
If this is a project you'd like to undertake, then I direct you to this guide. It will teach you all that you need to know.
Seriously, what you're proposing is neither difficult nor time-consuming. Assuming you've got the necessary software (basically, DVDDecrypter and Womble MPEG Video Wizard) and both the Revisited and Purist DVDs of this movie, it should be a cinch. Most of the time investment would constitute actual ripping of the elements and rendering the final project; as far as editing time itself is concerned, we're talking 5-10 minutes max. As far the conference room audio, that could easily be accomplished in Audacity 1.3, which allows 5.1 AC3 editing. (I'm assuming Ady didn't include any audio bleed of the music into the center channel.)
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
TV's Frink said:
When you want things that specific it's difficult to find someone willing to do it. Your best bet is to learn how yourself.
Got someone interested already.....
Akwat Kbrana said:
muddyknees2000 said:
Seems that the problem would be in keeping the new duel, and its sounds, but in removing the new music and possibly the slowdown of Ben's death.....between the 2004 DVD, Revisited, and Purist.....does anyone think they have the know how to pull this off? (after that, restoring the conference room audio should be a piece of cake)
I think the fix is simpler than you're envisioning it. If I understand the problem rightly, all you'd need to do is use ANH:R as a base, then replace the entire duel scene with the video + audio from Purist...unless I'm missing something.
If this is a project you'd like to undertake, then I direct you to this guide. It will teach you all that you need to know.
Seriously, what you're proposing is neither difficult nor time-consuming. Assuming you've got the necessary software (basically, DVDDecrypter and Womble MPEG Video Wizard) and both the Revisited and Purist DVDs of this movie, it should be a cinch. Most of the time investment would constitute actual ripping of the elements and rendering the final project; as far as editing time itself is concerned, we're talking 5-10 minutes max. As far the conference room audio, that could easily be accomplished in Audacity 1.3, which allows 5.1 AC3 editing. (I'm assuming Ady didn't include any audio bleed of the music into the center channel.)
Not sure that its going to be THAT simple.....at least not for the duel. Problem is, the one I see in MY head has Adywan's visual edit, but not the music he's added.......unfortunately I think he's gone and edited the audio for the lightsaber battle to match his improved visual....I probably couldn't use the audio from the purist, nor the 2004 because the lightsaber hits and swings probably wouldn't match Adywan's faster paced battle....so how would I separate one audio element that I like, from one that I dont?
You seem like you know at least a little about this. Would you be at all interested in helping out?
The Purist version is Adywan's visual edit without the music. The only difference, if I recall, is the slow-motion stuff added to Revisited when/just after Obi-Wan is killed.
My point exactly. The purist version (if I understand rightly) already has the improved rotoscoping, re-editing, etc. All that's different is the music. Ergo, you wouldn't have to worry about syncing the purist audio to the revisited video at all; it would simply be a matter of replacing the audio as well as the video from Revisited with the equivalent audio and video from Purist. At least in theory, it's a remarkably simple edit...assuming you can live with the loss of the additional slow-motion at Obi-Wan's death (which I assume isn't a big priority, right?).
As far as helping out...sorry, but I'm really not the best person to ask. My current internet connection is spotty at best, and undertaking this project would involve, in addition to the actual editing, downloading the Purist DVD (which I don't currently have, since I've always been satisfied with Revisited) and then uploading the finished project. If you've currently got both versions of Revisited, you would probably be able to learn the necessary skills and do the edit yourself before I had even finished downloading the purist DVD to begin with! But, if you're interested in trying this edit and need any pointers along the way, feel free to shoot me a PM. :)
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
ChainsawAsh said:
The Purist version is Adywan's visual edit without the music. The only difference, if I recall, is the slow-motion stuff added to Revisited when/just after Obi-Wan is killed.
ah, see I had understood that the OLD lightsaber fight was back as well as the original sound in purist. I've had difficulty in getting anyone with both copies to explain the differences between the 2....I've been trying to find someone to make copies for me, but so far no luck.
So lets see if I've got this straight.....Purist has the faster paced battle, but no added prequel music......and NO slowdown at Ben's death?
I believe that's the case. Or at least, not as much of a slowdown at Ben's death.
I could be wrong about that, though.
The most difficult part of all this will be to preserve the 5.1 track. I could do it, but it'd end up being 2.0 stereo in the end.
ChainsawAsh said:
I could do it, but it'd end up being 2.0 stereo in the end.
Why the loss of 5.1?
Assuming the two mixes have the same bitrate and the same number of channels, you could do this kind of "splicing" in Womble, and export the audio to 5.1 AC3. Then, import the newly created AC3 track into Audacity 1.3 to do the music fadeout in the conference room scene. Then, making sure "use custom mix" is selected under Audacity's export preferences, it would be a simple matter of exporting to a new (presumably final) AC3. From that point, I'd recommend re-importing the video and final audio stream into womble to make sure there's no audio drift. If everything looks golden, import the streams into whatever DVD authoring software you're using (I prefer DVD-Lab Pro), insert chapter breaks, and author the DVD.
Again, it may sound complicated to the newly-initiated, but it's really quite a simple edit in theory. Of course, you'd end up with a DVD of the bare-bones video sans Adywan's awesome menus and special features, but aside from that the only loss would be the added slow-mo to Obi's death scene.
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
Muddyknees2000, there is no need to keep sending me multiple PM's as i have answered everything you wanted to know already in this thread.
TV's Frink said:
Yes, that was an unauthorized use of/close imitation of another author and the representation of them as my own work. :)
muddyknees2000 said:
ChainsawAsh said:
I could do it, but it'd end up being 2.0 stereo in the end.
Why the loss of 5.1?
I work in Avid Media Composer (film editing student), and it can't do 5.1.
I suppose I could split the 5.1 into 6 mono tracks and work with them that way, but then I'd have to figure out a way to recombine them into 5.1, and I don't know how to do that. Plus, I'm on a Mac, which immediately makes it more difficult.
Oh, and I don't have the Purist Edition.
I'm sure someone can send you the Purist links via PM (I would if I had them) but it also may be available on fanedit.info soon (fingers crossed).
adywan said:
Muddyknees2000, there is no need to keep sending me multiple PM's as i have answered everything you wanted to know already in this thread.
well pardon me, I was still a little confused about a certain matter, which is why I was looking for clarification from the source, but apparently your time is too valuable. I guess I had mistaken your presence on a forum based website as a willingness or desire to answer questions and participate in discussions.
ChainsawAsh said:
Oh, and I don't have the Purist Edition.
I'm working on getting copies of all the different versions, I can easily send them to you once I have them all. The new issue that has now been brought up though....is there no way to do this and keep the DVD menus?
muddyknees2000 said:
adywan said:
Muddyknees2000, there is no need to keep sending me multiple PM's as i have answered everything you wanted to know already in this thread.
well pardon me, I was still a little confused about a certain matter, which is why I was looking for clarification from the source, but apparently your time is too valuable. I guess I had mistaken your presence on a forum based website as a willingness or desire to answer questions and participate in discussions.
Maybe you should find out why i just haven't got the time to answer all these questions before you start being a dick. I fuckin help people out all the time but i have more important things to worry about at the moment than an edit i had finished with a long time ago. I even gave you pointers as to what you would need to do to be able to accomplish your goal. But i guess you want everything done for you. You picked completely the wrong time to be such an asshole towards me. I was actually going to take some time out to produce a new audio track that you could use and then all you would need to do is replace the one shot of Obi-Wan's slowed down cloak. But sod it. You're on your own.
adywan said:
muddyknees2000 said:
adywan said:
Muddyknees2000, there is no need to keep sending me multiple PM's as i have answered everything you wanted to know already in this thread.
well pardon me, I was still a little confused about a certain matter, which is why I was looking for clarification from the source, but apparently your time is too valuable. I guess I had mistaken your presence on a forum based website as a willingness or desire to answer questions and participate in discussions.
Maybe you should find out why i just haven't got the time to answer all these questions before you start being a dick. I fuckin help people out all the time but i have more important things to worry about at the moment than an edit i had finished with a long time ago. I even gave you pointers as to what you would need to do to be able to accomplish your goal. But i guess you want everything done for you. You picked completely the wrong time to be such an asshole towards me. I was actually going to take some time out to produce a new audio track that you could use and then all you would need to do is replace the one shot of Obi-Wan's slowed down cloak. But sod it. You're on your own.
I've heard all about your health issues, and the situation with your father, and in any of the PM's I sent you the first things I said were usually something along the lines of "hope everyone is well" or some other thought for you or your family. I had also, on several occaisions thanked you for your wonderful new edits and for bringing these movies back to life for me (and surely for many other fans as well). I've been nothing but polite and grateful. You specifically stated that you wanted nothing to do with this new edit and that we were on our own, which is fine....as no-one can tell you what to do with your time but YOU. So, I wanted a few simple issues cleared up before proceding (hell, I even asked for your blessing in moving ahead with this project.....which since its owned by lucasfilm I don't have to do, but did anyways, just to be polite) Do you understand that you've re-awoken passion for something that many had given up as a lost cause.......do you understand that you have grateful fans? Also, in the world of star wars re-edits you seem to be a sort of patriarch, with your edit being among the most popular......so I think its quite natural that you are going to inspire at least a few people to follow in your footsteps and make a version of this film that they've always wanted to see. Also, as previously stated, you're on a forum based website.....questions and discussion are what goes on here. Theres always the option of shutting off PM's if you dont want to receive them. Anyways, I apologize for disturbing you....I'm not looking for this to turn into a flame war.....I find your use of language somewhat unfortunate, but whats said is said. Apparently fans of your work can and should remain silent fans of your work. Now I know.
Oh dear....
J
Just drop it man...
Ady said whatever had to say...
-Angel
All i said that i had already answered everything you needed. Then you come back with really rude remarks. I wasn't being funny or anything i just answered a question. You say you knew about what is going on in my life at the moment, yet you bombarded me with emails which all weren't about this thread at all, one was asking about my plans for boba fett in ROTJ:R.
You say you knew about my situation so i gather you read this in the ESB:R thread. So why be such an ass by saying that "my time must be too valuable" to answer your questions, when i already had? And then you wonder why i snapped back at you? A comment like that is one of the most insensitive things i have heard. Of course my time is too valuable. I'm having to take care of my 80 year old dad who has just found out he has cancer only 8 months after my mum died. I may have been a bit harsh with my reply and for that i apologize, but i'm with all the things that i'm having to juggle at the moment i'm getting about 3 hours sleep a night and then i read your reply and i just snapped. I had helped you and told you what you needed to know but i guess that just wasn't enough for you.My retaliation was purely down to your smart alec comment, which now looks even worse since you did in fact know why i'm so busy at the moment when you wrote that.
muddyknees2000 said:
Apparently fans of your work can and should remain silent fans of your work. Now I know.
That's the biggest load of bull i have heard. I try to help out when i can when people have asked for it and also try and reply to every emails, PM and you should know that because of the amount of times you sent me messages over on youtube, and i answered them. I had never been rude towards you and my reply about the information was not a rude post and just a statement, but you took it completely the wrong way.
Someone who REALLY contribute to the SW fandom shouldn't have to apologyse nor give explainations about his private life (edit: no one here 'should' besides). Also it's obvious that when such a time consuming work is done, it still requires an effort to answer questions etc... Notably answering 10 thousand times to the same questions.
So, even if Adywan didn't give the current reasons for his time, he'd still be in his total right to ignore the discussion.
Ady when the world goes on the blink going to a safe place with familiar people can be a blessed relief.
The majority of the people on here know what you are going through and have gone through some aspects of it themselves.
Some people may just not get it and it's probably best to avoid them at the moment.
If coming here and working on your edits helps you through your current difficulties it's always a joy to hear from you but if it's adding to your problems it may be best to drift off for a bit and find some other distraction.
The good the bad and the ugly here will still be around whatever you do and if you did take a break we will be around to welcome you back.
And by the way, muddy, sending your sympathy does not then give you full go-ahead to bother or harass someone.
Sorry, Muddy. I was considering it, but after all this B.S., I'm definitely not doing this for you. You're on your own.