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Info Wanted: 4K versions vs. DEED (Despecialized Editions) - which is better and why? — Page 2

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From what I’ve seen, the prints for ROTJ have different color leanings. The one used for 4k83 evidently is NOT on lowfade stock. The release prints that are on lowfade stock (LPP) look more blue and the colors are similar to the more familiar home video. From the GOUT, which is also from a 2nd generation print (an interpositive struck in the mid 80’s), the blue tint of the lowfade prints is more accurate than this. This print might have better resolution, but might not be the best color source for the film. It is not what you would remember from the theater in 1983.

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hairy_hen said:

Yes, the 4K83 print was faded to a dull red. The colors weren’t gone for good, they were able to be brought back without too much trouble, but it’s hard to say exactly what they looked like when it was new. The best way to get Jedi’s colors would probably be to take an unfaded LPP version, somewhat reduce the excessive blue the LPP’s all seem to have, and then make the 4K83 print look like that.

Regardless, the 4K83 colors do look nice the way they are, and I suspect that my suggested method would probably yield a similar result, minus any remaining issues caused by fading. Jedi seems to have been a rather blue film overall; probably not as much as the exaggerated LPP’s, but still blue nonetheless. Some people have complained about the leaves on Endor not being green enough and things like that, but honestly I think that’s just how it was. It just takes a little getting used to. Even with a blue tint, it’s still not monochromatically dull the way the 2004/2011 version tends to be in many scenes, and it is entirely lacking that version’s overly pumped up reds.

A very enlightening post. Thanks.

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yotsuya said:

From what I’ve seen, the prints for ROTJ have different color leanings. The one used for 4k83 evidently is NOT on lowfade stock. The release prints that are on lowfade stock (LPP) look more blue and the colors are similar to the more familiar home video. From the GOUT, which is also from a 2nd generation print (an interpositive struck in the mid 80’s), the blue tint of the lowfade prints is more accurate than this. This print might have better resolution, but might not be the best color source for the film. It is not what you would remember from the theater in 1983.

Where do things like the eralier restorations fit in? Stuff like Pugo (I haven’t yet tracked it down) or SSE

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LordZerome1080 said:

yotsuya said:

From what I’ve seen, the prints for ROTJ have different color leanings. The one used for 4k83 evidently is NOT on lowfade stock. The release prints that are on lowfade stock (LPP) look more blue and the colors are similar to the more familiar home video. From the GOUT, which is also from a 2nd generation print (an interpositive struck in the mid 80’s), the blue tint of the lowfade prints is more accurate than this. This print might have better resolution, but might not be the best color source for the film. It is not what you would remember from the theater in 1983.

Where do things like the eralier restorations fit in? Stuff like Pugo (I haven’t yet tracked it down) or SSE

SSE 1.0 was color corrected to match the GOUT from what TN1 said. The later versions were corrected further. Puggo didn’t do much color correcting except to counter the fading. 4k77 no DNR is color timed to the Technicolor print. 4k77 appears to pull it closer the GOUT and other 35 mm prints.

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I have been watching the progress of Despecialized and have been rather disappointed that Harmy has chosen to publish it’s development on youtube as manner to gain income via live chat. I realize that Harmy is a great guy and his work on despecialized is amazing. But I think it’s important that fanedits are not made for profit - no matter how small.

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There’s a difference between profit and recouping expenses. The 4Kxx project asks for donations to recoup their expenses, just like Harmy. Film restoration isn’t cheap, and I can assure you, neither project is running a profit.

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