Info: 1992 VHS Set - Star Wars Trilogy Special Letterbox Collector's Edition - any special and/or redeeming qualities? — Page 2

Pheran said:

AntcuFaalb, I wish I had seen this thread earlier as I have a copy of this in my basement that should be in very good shape - the tapes were played very few times.  I don't have a use for it, so I would be happy to ship it to you for any kind of preservation effort.  Any reason you need a second copy?

Thanks, Pheran. I appreciate the offer! Let's first see what kind of shape mine are in when they arrive.

Asaki said:

Well as we discussed elsewhere, the 35mm version has a lot of white clipping that may or may not have been intentional.

I don't think that clipping is ever intentional. Which 35mm version are you talking about, one of the 35mm prints -1 had acquired? As I understand it, interpositives has lower contrast than regular release print stock, to take into account for the contrast that builds up in the internegative and release print stages, I'm sure there are differences between different prints and what film stock it is. But what's going on in the case of what we are seeing on the video transfers on the Technidisc or the GOUT is obviously clipping introduced when they did the transfers, nothing unusual.

frank678 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Should I grab a new copy of the 1990 P/S release as well? Any interest?

 If you can get it at a reasonable price why not, since you're in the process of putting together a quality set-up seems a shame to limit it to one or two tapes.   

And even if say someone else had done a tape from a release run doesnt mean you might not make an improved transfer on your copy/set-up

 

Good point(s). I may pick up the 1995 THX (Faces) Widescreen and P/S releases as well.

The Faces tapes may have one or two things different from the LDs but otherwise should be exactly the same. I have both, and really haven't had any reason to pull em off the shelf in a while. (My VCR is pretty crappy.) The Faces Widescreen box is really great though. One of my favorites that just looks fantastic on the shelf.

AntcuFaalb said:

frank678 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Should I grab a new copy of the 1990 P/S release as well? Any interest?

 If you can get it at a reasonable price why not, since you're in the process of putting together a quality set-up seems a shame to limit it to one or two tapes.   

And even if say someone else had done a tape from a release run doesnt mean you might not make an improved transfer on your copy/set-up

 

Good point(s). I may pick up the 1995 THX (Faces) Widescreen and P/S releases as well.

'95 Pan and Scans would be interesting because they are a different transfer from the '93, and so represent the newest official transfer of the original versions (barring the 2006 DVDs made from the '93 D1 tape)

AntcuFaalb said:

Good point(s). I may pick up the 1995 THX (Faces) Widescreen and P/S releases as well.

Seeing as you mentioned it, below is something I threw together 6 or 7 years ago (Yes, I am a file hoarder!!) regarding the US NTSC tapes which may be of use. The information mostly came from the now defunct DavisDVD site so trust the information as you see fit.

My assumptions came following my work on the PAL VHS releases.......

Star Wars

1  1982 Rental Fullscreen

2  1982 Fox Video Fullscreen

3  1983 CBS Fox Fullscreen

4  1984 CBS Fox Fullscreen

5  1985 CBS Fox Fullscreen with 1985 remix audio

6  1986 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Trilogy commercial

7  1987 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Tenth Anniversary commercial

8  1990 CBS Fox Fullscreen with new package design

9  1992 CBS Fox Widescreen "Special Collector's Edition" with new package design

10  1995 Fox Video THX Fullscreen "Faces"

11  1995 Fox Video THX Widescreen "Faces" 

I think this works out to 5 unique releases. 1-4, 5-8, 9, 10 and 11 

Empire Strikes Back

1  1984 CBS Fox Fullscreen

2  1986 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Trilogy commercial

3  1987 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Tenth Anniversary commercial

4  1990 CBS Fox Fullscreen with new package design

5  1992 CBS Fox Widescreen "Special Collector's Edition" with new package design

6  1995 Fox Video THX Fullscreen "Faces" 

7  1995 Fox Video THX Widescreen "Faces"

I think this works out to 4 unique releases. 1-4, 5, 6 and 7

Return of the Jedi

1  1986 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Trilogy commercial

2  1987 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Tenth Anniversary commercial

3  1990 CBS Fox Fullscreen with new package design

4  1992 CBS Fox Widescreen "Special Collector's Edition" with new package design

5  1995 Fox Video THX Fullscreen "Faces" 

6  1995 Fox Video THX Widescreen "Faces"

I think this works out to 4 unique releases. 1-3, 4, 5 and 6

The DavisDVD site is archived here...http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm" target="_blank" title="web.archive.org/web/20070923101917/http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm">http://web.archive.org/web/20070923101917/http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm

The '92 set arrived yesterday. It's in great shape and, as the seller said, ANH and TESB are still sealed. ROTJ looks like it was only played once.

russs15 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Good point(s). I may pick up the 1995 THX (Faces) Widescreen and P/S releases as well.

Seeing as you mentioned it, below is something I threw together 6 or 7 years ago (Yes, I am a file hoarder!!) regarding the US NTSC tapes which may be of use. The information mostly came from the now defunct DavisDVD site so trust the information as you see fit.

My assumptions came following my work on the PAL VHS releases.......

 

Star Wars

1  1982 Rental Fullscreen

2  1982 Fox Video Fullscreen

3  1983 CBS Fox Fullscreen

4  1984 CBS Fox Fullscreen

5  1985 CBS Fox Fullscreen with 1985 remix audio

6  1986 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Trilogy commercial

7  1987 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Tenth Anniversary commercial

8  1990 CBS Fox Fullscreen with new package design

9  1992 CBS Fox Widescreen "Special Collector's Edition" with new package design

10  1995 Fox Video THX Fullscreen "Faces"

11  1995 Fox Video THX Widescreen "Faces" 

I think this works out to 5 unique releases. 1-4, 5-8, 9, 10 and 11 

Empire Strikes Back

1  1984 CBS Fox Fullscreen

2  1986 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Trilogy commercial

3  1987 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Tenth Anniversary commercial

4  1990 CBS Fox Fullscreen with new package design

5  1992 CBS Fox Widescreen "Special Collector's Edition" with new package design

6  1995 Fox Video THX Fullscreen "Faces" 

7  1995 Fox Video THX Widescreen "Faces"

I think this works out to 4 unique releases. 1-4, 5, 6 and 7

Return of the Jedi

1  1986 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Trilogy commercial

2  1987 CBS Fox Fullscreen + Tenth Anniversary commercial

3  1990 CBS Fox Fullscreen with new package design

4  1992 CBS Fox Widescreen "Special Collector's Edition" with new package design

5  1995 Fox Video THX Fullscreen "Faces" 

6  1995 Fox Video THX Widescreen "Faces"

I think this works out to 4 unique releases. 1-3, 4, 5 and 6

The DavisDVD site is archived here...http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm" target="_blank" title="web.archive.org/web/20070923101917/http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm">http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm" target="_blank" title="web.archive.org/web/20070923101917/http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm">http://web.archive.org/web/20070923101917/http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/starwars/index.htm

I'll acquire the 1990 Fullscreen, 1995 Fullscreen, and 1995 Widescreen for now. I'll have to hold off on the 82-84-86 release(s), as they're expensive, and I do want them sealed.

The 1992 P/S Fullscreen set (again, with 2/3 sealed) is on its way! This is the same as the 1990 P/S Fullscreen set, save any packaging differences.

I've ordered a brand new/sealed 1995 (THX; Faces) P/S Fullscreen set. It should arrive soon.

You are mad.

AntcuFaalb said:

I've ordered a brand new/sealed 1995 (THX; Faces) P/S Fullscreen set. It should arrive soon.

very cool..

i never did own a VHS deck, and got one a few years ago

for the first time.

i've missed out on watching ANY of the VHS versions.

at some point, it would be nice to have EVERY version

that was on VHS digitized.

what about BETA though? did it ever come out on those,

did anyone preserve those?

i like seeing all the news about the VHS versions lately...

exciting..

later

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negative1 said:

at some point, it would be nice to have EVERY version

that was on VHS digitized.

Even if they are just for reference of the different ways the films have been treated ofer the years. My rough recordings of my PAL collection to a DVD recorder showed various missing Fox logo and fanfare, squeezed shots, different Pan and Scan choices and wildly different colours.

The quality of source is rubbish, the recordings I made are rubbish but it was worth every second I spent doing it.

However, what is happening here is total quality and I second the quote above from  negative1.

Does anyone have a 1982 Video Rental Library VHS that they'd like to put through my setup when I'm done with PS78?

AntcuFaalb said:

Does anyone have a 1982 Video Rental Library VHS that they'd like to put through my setup when I'm done with PS78?

I just purchased one in rather good condition!

msycamore said:

Asaki said:

Well as we discussed elsewhere, the 35mm version has a lot of white clipping that may or may not have been intentional.

I don't think that clipping is ever intentional. Which 35mm version are you talking about, one of the 35mm prints -1 had acquired? As I understand it, interpositives has lower contrast than regular release print stock, to take into account for the contrast that builds up in the internegative and release print stages, I'm sure there are differences between different prints and what film stock it is. But what's going on in the case of what we are seeing on the video transfers on the Technidisc or the GOUT is obviously clipping introduced when they did the transfers, nothing unusual.

If Gout was taken as has been guessed from the original D1 tapes, not sure if it was the limitations of those tapes or at the telecine stage that the clipping was introduced.  Clearly its one or the other. 

That along with the early not quite sophisticated or modern dvnr which was harshly applied, to remove the extra layers of grain on the IP produced the mess that is the GOUT.  A fine transfer for the laserdisc era, but not good enough in the DVD era much less blu ray.

The extra grain would have appeared as noise on laserdisc and old tv sets.

So was not really a duh why did they do that thing.  Until 2006 and dumped to DVD.

I now own a brand new copy of the 1995 THX Widescreen set.

And I have a sealed copy of the fullscreen version. :)

AntcuFaalb said:

I now own a brand new copy of the 1995 THX Widescreen set.

I have lots of fond memories of this set.  I really started to get into SW in 1993 when X-Wing came out, and was very excited when this set came out in 1995.  I must have watched it hundreds of times, in addition to watching the Death Star assault nearly every day for over a year.

I threw it out when I got rid of my VCR a few years ago.  I wish I had kept it.  I love the packaging.

Davnes007 said:

And I have a sealed copy of the fullscreen version. :)

So do I ;-p

And, I still have my VCR.

Davnes007 said:

And, I still have my VCR.

Excellent -- me, too.

VCRs are, in some cases, magnificent pieces of engineering.

AntcuFaalb said:

Davnes007 said:

And, I still have my VCR.

Excellent -- me, too.

VCRs are, in some cases, magnificent pieces of engineering.

a friend just gave me a stereo vcr for free

recently a few weeks ago. my old one was

mono, i didn't know that. well, i'll have fun

trying it out soon. will be downconverting

some digital -> vhs soon.

later

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