Now remember that this is a photo of the IB Tech, not a scan so the colour might not be true, but for what it is worth, here is the IB vs the BD :)
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Whoa, the BD has major cropping at the sides.
Where were you in '77?
True, but to be fair, the gate would probably have cropped that much out in the cinema as well.
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For those interested, here's how that scene looks with my current regrade settings:
The problem is that a digital photo of a print doesn't necessarily reflect the true colours as many cameras will auto white balance the image.
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kk650 said:
For those interested, here's how that scene looks with my current regrade settings:
Looks so much better!
Thanks for the pic Doombot and thanks for the comparison POITA. Photo or not, it still looks like the 4K's colors are off.
I love your regrade kk650, I think it strikes a nice balance.
Here is the grand tour of everything I could pull together quickly:
US LD International Cut (1990)/US DVD International Cut (1998)/US BD Extended Cut (2009)/Italian Mondo BD Italian Cut/Italian IB Tech 35mm Print Italian Cut/US BD 4K Extended Cut (2014)/kk650's regrade of the 4K/_,,,^..^,,,_'s regrade of the 4K
The only real way to know would be to obtain a print really.
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Is there a link to the IB tech print for sale?
To me it looks like maybe the Italian BD was color timed to look like it did when projected with a light source typical for that time. Which does look more natural to me than the cold look of the older BD and DVD releases.
I agree, i still like the Mondo BD color timing best.
Thanks guys!
PDB, thanks for those comparisons of the different home releases, very fascinating, I wasn't using any of those sources as a guide, just going with what felt 'right' to me in terms of fleshtones, the sky, sunlight, etc. looks like I didn't do too bad a job getting the blue of the sky roughly right in my regrade
My regraded shot at the end though looks a little dark in your comparisons, it should actually be a bit brighter than the 4k remaster, as you can see in the screencap comparison I posted.
Mondo takes 1st place and a close second is kk's regraded shot.
kk, have you been using the same settings for all the screenshots you've regraded and posted on the net?
IB tech print vs KK650 regrade: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78678
DoomBot said:
I agree, i still like the Mondo BD color timing best.
With the mondo release you're exchanging a blanket yellow tint for a blanket orange tint, albeit more subtle than the yellow tint on the 4k remaster. I personally prefer the more natural looking colour palette of the 4k remaster with the strength of the yellow tint reduced. Also the mondo release looks like video while the 4k remaster looks like film IMHO and has more detail and much better grain so its a no brainer for me.
Lil Brutto said:
Mondo takes 1st place and a close second is kk's regraded shot.
kk, have you been using the same settings for all the screenshots you've regraded and posted on the net?
IB tech print vs KK650 regrade: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78678
Yes, pretty much, except for the very first screen comparison I posted here, where I removed all the yellow tint and made the 4k remaster look like the old us blu-ray release with a bluish tint throughout the whole film. The mondo release certainly whacks that one into space.
I agree with You_Too; the Mondo BD seems to have the better balanced color grading.
Here you are my attempt of color regrading the 4K using the Mondo as color reference:
Original Mondo BD
ColourMatch'ed 4K
(full res: http://s17.postimg.org/ugli3ajjh/GBU_4k_Colour_Match_RGB.jpg)
Of course, final quality is not so high due to the fact that I used only screenshots; I'd like to test it with some test footage taken from both 4K and Mondo BDs...
Still thinking all of these color regrading discussion merit its own thread!
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I agree with You_Too; the Mondo BD seems to have the better balanced color grading.
Here you are my attempt of color regrading the 4K using the Mondo as color reference:
Original Mondo BD
ColourMatch'ed 4K
(full res: http://s17.postimg.org/ugli3ajjh/GBU_4k_Colour_Match_RGB.jpg)Of course, final quality is not so high due to the fact that I used only screenshots; I'd like to test it with some test footage taken from both 4K and Mondo BDs...
Still thinking all of these color regrading discussion merit its own thread!
The mondo release looks nice undoubtedly but that doesn't change the fact that it has a blanket orange tint over the whole transfer, even turning night scenes orange. That's not really my cup of tea. I love the orangy fleshtones though, I think it really works for this film, which it why i've tried to get a similar look to the fleshtones on my regrade.
You planning to give recreating the mondo release colour timing using the 4k remaster a shot Andrea?
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Still thinking all of these color regrading discussion merit its own thread!
Absolutely. Is it too late to start now after so much discussion here?
Lil Brutto said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Still thinking all of these color regrading discussion merit its own thread!
Absolutely. Is it too late to start now after so much discussion here?
haha probably.
Mondo and spoRv
DoomBot said:
Mondo and spoRv
I'm glad to have both kk650's and Andrea's versions. I like both for different reasons and both have valid points as to the color schemes (kk's DVD timed/Andrea's Mondo timed) I will just download both and Hutt's and any others. The answer at the end of the day is the IB Tech print.
Sorry about the pic, kk650. I just right clicked and saved as so I'm not sure why it came off darker. I added Andrea's regrade in the mix with the pics above. I'll add anyone else's too
This thread makes a little more sense for this discussion since the other one was more about the audio part.
Just got the 4k myself thanks to the deal that captainsolo posted.
DoomBot said:
Mondo and spoRv
Very nice job you've done there Andrea.
I think it's definately worth doing, trying to recreate the look of the mondo release with the 4k remaster. I've been watching bits from my own copy again to remind myself of the look and it does look nice colourwise. Who knows, maybe that is how its meant to look, blanket orange tint and all?
I'll continue with my more balanced/natural colour scheme and Andrea can make a release more timed to the mondo colour scheme. The more choice the better for everybody I think.
kk650 said:
DoomBot said:
Mondo and spoRv
Very nice job you've done there Andrea.
I think it's definately worth doing, trying to recreate the look of the mondo release with the 4k remaster. I've been watching bits from my own copy again to remind myself of the look and it does look nice colourwise. Who know, maybe that is how its meant to look, blanket orange tint and all?
I'll continue with my more balanced/neutral colour scheme and Andrea can make a release more timed to the mondo colour scheme. The more choice the better for everybody I think.
In total agreement
DoomBot said:
Mondo and spoRv
Wow, that's most impressive.
Is there hope for achieving a Mondo-like colours/brightness without sacrificing overall picture quality of the 4K?