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Ryan-SWI said:

joefavs said:

Bleep bloops aside, hasn’t it already been determined that the end credits have been extended by a couple minutes for the home release?

That’d be harder to prove wouldn’t it? Most cams cut off the end credits after a few seconds.

Supposedly “Scherzo for X-Wings” has been inserted into the end medley between Rey and Kylo’s themes, compared to the album version. Personally, though, i can’t be sure whether the version on the soundtrack is accurate to the theatrical version because I can’t remember whether or not I stayed through the credits any of the times I saw it in theaters.

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joefavs said:

Ryan-SWI said:

joefavs said:

Bleep bloops aside, hasn’t it already been determined that the end credits have been extended by a couple minutes for the home release?

That’d be harder to prove wouldn’t it? Most cams cut off the end credits after a few seconds.

Supposedly “Scherzo for X-Wings” has been inserted into the end medley between Rey and Kylo’s themes, compared to the album version. Personally, though, i can’t be sure whether the version on the soundtrack is accurate to the theatrical version because I can’t remember whether or not I stayed through the credits any of the times I saw it in theaters.

Is anyone’s local cinema still playing the film? Quick! To the movies!

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Why bother? I’m sure one of the many pirates on our boards can confirm.

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TV’s Frink said:

Why bother? I’m sure one of the many pirates on our boards can confirm.

You’re clearly not one of them, or you’d know cams cut off the credits.

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I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

I agree and no one should be talking g about blu-ray rips.

But what do you think of the more morally grey area? At what point does a cam become okay to discuss? Surely time is the only difference between that and the other telecines, HDTV recordings, and laserdisc rips that we already use. It’s all unambiguously piracy, technically.

I am not saying we should be utilizing the cam at this point, even for information. We shouldn’t. Just asking the same question I keep asking in this thread, that no one has an answer for.

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towne32 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

I agree and no one should be talking g about blu-ray rips.

But what do you think of the more morally grey area? At what point does a cam become okay to discuss? Surely time is the only difference between that and the other telecines, HDTV recordings, and laserdisc rips that we already use. It’s all unambiguously piracy, technically.

I am not saying we should be utilizing the cam at this point, even for information. We shouldn’t. Just asking the same question I keep asking in this thread, that no one has an answer for.

Are you asking when it should be okay to openly discuss bootlegs of Episode VII?

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Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

Oh no!

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TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

Oh no!

If you’re just going to be a smarmy wanker about this stuff I don’t know what you’re doing in the preservations area.

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TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

Oh no!

Whether you like the film or not, it’s a valid point. When there’s only one source as a record for the theatrical version of a film, it is important source of information. A better example would have been 35mm scans, which are present in Harmy’s versions (and I believe you watch those).

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I don’t know when the cutoff is, but there’s a difference between a movie over thirty years old and a movie that is still in theaters in some places.

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Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.

Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.

Oh no!

If you’re just going to be a smarmy wanker about this stuff I don’t know what you’re doing in the preservations area.

Go read every post I’ve made and you’ll have your answer.

This thread is bullshit until the BD is out, and I have a long history of calling out bullshit.

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nightstalkerpoet said:

The Blu-Ray sound mix is different and much improved from what I heard in theaters.

Where’d you get it from?

This is why this thread is bullshit.

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So your opinion of ‘bullshit’ automatically makes it bullshit? Sorry supreme elitist pubar of the OT forum.

Let me pose this question to you then, I’ve sunk well over $100 into TFA in cinemas seeing it a total of 10 times. I have also ordered the UK DVD, US DVD, Best Buy Blu-Ray Steelbook, Standard US Blu-Ray and the Target Exclusive Blu-Ray.

So, all that considered, along with the fact that this ENTIRE FORUM is dedicated to piracy in some form or another, you think that just because of a superficial date, regardless of personal ownership (paid for) of the film, as well as sinking hundreds of dollars into it, people should not be allowed to discuss a crappy cinema recorded version for preservation purposes?

Righto.

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You clearly aren’t reading my posts and the idea that this forum is dedicated to piracy is laughable.

And money spent in the theaters and in pre-orders entitles you to nothing right now. That’s pirate logic.

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If you want to be an arrogant twit go ahead, but at least don’t make laughable comments like that.
The very essence of ‘preservation’ is piracy. What, do you really with the Adywan and Harmy edits aren’t considered piracy? You’re insane.

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“3. No discussions regarding traditional “warez”, such as bootlegs of current or recent theatrical releases, screeners, pre-retail/retail DVDs, and cracked computer software.”

And how recent is too recent? Revenge of the Sith is a ‘modern’ film, and in fact all the films are still easily available at retail and not OOP, so where is the line drawn?
I’d also like to mention that not once in my OP did I mention piracy, at all.

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Ryan-SWI said:

“3. No discussions regarding traditional “warez”, such as bootlegs of current or recent theatrical releases, screeners, pre-retail/retail DVDs, and cracked computer software.”

And how recent is too recent? Revenge of the Sith is a ‘modern’ film, and in fact all the films are still easily available at retail and not OOP, so where is the line drawn?
I’d also like to mention that not once in my OP did I mention piracy, at all.

TFA is not recent, it’s current.

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Really? Been out of theaters for weeks here, definitely not current for me.
Again, I never mentioned piracy in my OP, individual users did. If you have a problem it shouldn’t be with the whole thread (which you’ve now derailed), but with specific users.

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Nope, Frink is 100% right on this matter. The rule is quite clearly about situations exactly like this.

My posts are more of a food for thought type thing. The answer as to when the cams will be acceptable is: definitely not now, but obviously not never. We can probably look to RoTS to see at what point things started to be more acceptable around here. But I suspect that the stigma around the cam will drop fairly rapidly as it’s no threat at all compared to a proper HD blu-ray. But there’s no reason not to play it safe for now.

The most important thing to be vigilant about right now are the constantly appearing ‘I just torrented the blu-ray rip’ posts from various 2016 registrants, though. To be clear: In those cases, no one cares if you’ve preordered anything. If you’re morally okay with it, good for you, but it’s absolutely against the rules and etiquette of this forum to post about crap like that.

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towne32 said:

Nope, Frink is 100% right on this matter. The rule is quite clearly about situations exactly like this.

My posts are more of a food for thought type thing. The answer as to when the cams will be acceptable is: definitely not now, but obviously not never. We can probably look to RoTS to see at what point things started to be more acceptable around here. But I suspect that the stigma around the cam will drop fairly rapidly as it’s no threat at all compared to a proper HD blu-ray. But there’s no reason not to play it safe for now.

The most important thing to be vigilant about right now are the constantly appearing ‘I just torrented the blu-ray rip’ posts from various 2016 registrants, though. To be clear: In those cases, no one cares if you’ve preordered anything. If you’re morally okay with it, good for you, but it’s absolutely against the rules and etiquette of this forum to post about crap like that.

And I’m not saying it shouldn’t be. I think things like that have a time and place and right now is not that time, nor place. However the instant dismissal of conversation at all surrounding the matter seems a bit extreme.
I’m not advocating for people to go download a billion different copies of the film from torrent sites to do all the cross-checking now, I was merely pointing out an irregularity in versions I had watched, which other people have noticed too. My observations had nothing to do with illicit material, they were mere observations.

If someone else brings up the fact that they downloaded a BD rip that’s on them and they can be called out, fine, but derailing an entire thread and going completely off topic on the matter because of it is excessive.