hairy_hen said:
Expecting a theatrical trailer to sound like the final version of a film soundtrack is an exercise in futility. It is highly unlikely the same sound effects would have been used, and extremely likely the trailer was not mixed by the same people.
Therefore, the existence of such differences proves nothing.
Also, Gary Rydstrom was the sound designer for the original mixes, not just the redone version.
I see no reason to doubt disclord's information that the early DVD used the CDS 5.1 master. Somebody should find a laserdisc PCM track of the Dolby Stereo version and see how that sounds—chances are it is pretty similar.
The version I saw in CDS was NOT exactly like the trailer but in no way were the gunshots silenced to the degree that the shitty near field mix was.
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dvdmikesaid:
I have all home LD and dvd/bd editions and none have the gunshots.
What's about this one:PLFED 30341?
I have that its in the pic in the OP at the top I have a rip I made of that scene somewhere I can upload it to YT one tick
kaosjm said:
dvdmike said:
I have all home LD and dvd/bd editions and none have the gunshots.
I did ask Van Ling if we can get the CDS mix even lossy on a new BD and he said it depends on space
I am blown away that even Van Ling would consider this. 23 years later and dozens of home releases and we still don't know what it was like to experience this movie in its definitive form at home. This is reaching Star Wars level.
I'm very curious as to what more Van Ling has to say about this? To my understanding, he was the supervisor for the more recent "ultimate" and "extreme" home releases of this film. The idea that you were even able to get in contact with him over this is great. Why has the CDS mix been avoided for so long?
Again, the sound effects in the trailer sound much better than what's in any release of the film for home viewing. Just listen to 1:30 - 1:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eajuMYNYtuY when the T-1000 slips through the prison bars... the home releases sound boring compared to that... DD or DTS all of them. Then, listen to any sample of gunfire from the trailer. Why "remaster" that with whatever Gary Rydstrom did? What was the goal?
None of the multi-channel mixes sound as good as the simple stereo theatrical trailer from 1991... that says a lot. Do any of the older VHS tapes use the CDS mix? I wish I had some on hand to find out.
Gary said at the time HT can in no way ever sound as good as a cinema, so he remixed it for near field (IE the speakers are nearer to you and the mix should be adjusted accordingly) I strongly disagree and think he ruined the fidelity