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I agree 100%. I just wanted to play devil’s advocate about the bad guys and their former one-sidedness in fairness to the original point.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Nice post. Wasn’t expecting to for things to get deep.

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Chase Adams said:

Great post, but since when do Imperials have unnatural hair colours? 😐

Not hair colours specifically, but the Ralph McQuarrie art book (and I’m sure other sources) discuss how Lucas, right from the beginning, directed the artists in this way. The intention was that Imperials would use an unnatural colour scheme - black, white, grey, red - whereas rebels would use natural colours - browns, forest green, sky blue. There are exceptions but those guidelines were definitely given and broadly applied. So objecting to Holdo’s hair colour on that basis would be valid (though I think caring about that is a waste of a perfectly good care).

I for one can definitely imagine an Imperial (even in senior uniform) with pink hair looking pretty appropriate.

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RogueLeader said:

Nice post. Wasn’t expecting to for things to get deep.

Yeah, sorry. Didn’t want to, and I know it’s no fun, but I do kind of feel responsible for standing up for this kind of thing. Privilege isn’t a zero sum game, it’s not a limited resource we need to fight over, and I hate that people have to go through their lives with others wanting them to have less. Nobody loses out when we treat others as valid (except those who seek to deny others their validity; punch your local nazis, folks).

Seriously though, is having Leia die with Padme’s necklace in her hands a good idea?

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Hal 9000 said:

I agree 100%. I just wanted to play devil’s advocate about the bad guys and their former one-sidedness in fairness to the original point.

Yup, totally legitimate point. I enjoyed it being more explicit in the old EU, where it was used to good effect. It showed that Thrawn was considered valuable beyond the Imperials’ prejudice (like, uh, Ben Carson?), and in the Legacy comics it showed a more desperate Imperial remnant needing to turn to aliens to bolster their ranks. In both examples, potent and cool.

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Leia holding Padme’s necklace would have been good if Ben spoke with Anakin rather than Han. I imagine, in the world where Padmé went to live on Alderaan, it was still buried with her and/or destroyed along with Alderaan.

Or, if you want the time stream to correct itself around this distortion more thoroughly, she was taken back to Naboo for burial along with the necklace at some point.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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The poll was fascinating as well as the results.

Sigh, this movie.

But I will be optimistic that these good editors will make it more enjoyable. (Granted if you turn off parts of your mind, you’ll be a bit entertained. My friends are way more positive than I am, they pretty much enjoy every moment in Star Wars movies. Lol.)

Also side note from your post above EddieDean regarding Holdo, it’s fun learning new things! I say that about the hair color since I remembered peopling talking about it and wanted it changed and I don’t remember reading why … so that explained that complaint to me. Thanks! haha!

Do NOT self-destruct!

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Thinking about Ben’s story.

I do think that in any version of this film where Ben is “redeemed”, him going to live in exile is a strong choice.

But I can’t help but wonder if his redemption is the right choice? He literally does nothing in the movies to earn a redemption. He never makes up for what he’s done, the billions of people he had killed remain dead and he makes no attempt at reparations or restitution. We never get any apology, recognition of wrongdoing, nothing…

I was a Rey/Kylo shipper until this film as for me that ship was predicated on Ben actually doing anything to make up for his evil deeds. As it is in the film he doesn’t even speak after his “redemption”, I just feel like we’re missing a lot of his story after he throws away the vader saber.

Which makes me want to cut it altogether. Just have him be dead after Rey stabs him.

PT: CoD/TAS/TCW/FotR(NCC)
OT: Reimagined/Revisited/…
ST: Starlight/Rekindled/Resurgence

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The idea in the OT and ST is that redemption is earned through true inner change.

heil palpatine.

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Yeah. It’s a bit flimsy, but that’s how the films have done it. Vader turned at the end and lobbed Palpatine down the shaft, and that plus a little chat with Luke were all we really needed to accept he’s now so good he gets to become a ghost.

Kylo wouldn’t be much different. He joined the fight versus Palpatine, healed Rey, got a kiss, then died. That’s roughly equivalent, for these purposes, and that’s why folks support it.

This is why I’m leaning way more to survival and exile. Firstly, the whole heal > kiss > die scene was just super clumsy either way. Secondly, that it just mirror’s Vader’s too closely, and I’d rather see something different. But mainly, because I think it’s more potent to see someone initially full of rage and confusion choose a life of penitence and peace.