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Jonno said:

Jetrell, did you ever sync your theatrical DTS for Generations to anything?

Not as of yet.  I DO happen to have the cinema DTS for Generations, First Contact, and Insurrection.

If we could get the video on these to 24fps we could get the audio to sync, the only issue being the Sky title card at the beginning.

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Another reason to start restoration projects... (^^,)

 Correct video levels, synced lossless LD audio, 24fps, and full BD compatibility (1920 x 1080) for these would be the making of a fantastic (and massive) preservation project! 

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Another reason to start restoration projects... (^^,)

 Correct video levels, synced lossless LD audio, 24fps, and full BD compatibility (1920 x 1080) for these would be the making of a fantastic (and massive) preservation project! 

Is this even available for all films?

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dark_jedi said:

The Aluminum Falcon said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Another reason to start restoration projects... (^^,)

 Correct video levels, synced lossless LD audio, 24fps, and full BD compatibility (1920 x 1080) for these would be the making of a fantastic (and massive) preservation project! 

Is this even available for all films?

I have DTS for 3 movies, the others, if not all up to Insurrection, have PCM audio that can be applied to them.  

Generations, First Contact, and Insurrection have yet to be capped.  I have these 3 LD's but no way to capture bit perfect audio.

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OK so if I understand this correctly you guys have the LD bit perfect PCM for Star Trek 1-5(still need 6, I hope we find it) and these 1080i files are way better then the BD video? why are they better? also what is wrong with the BD audio, or would the idea here be to have the LD PCM as an option like we do with most of our releases? I am just trying to wrap my head around all this Star Trek buzz in this thread lately, but if these 1080i files are better, and we have PCM audio files, a movie only at least BD to compliment the Box Set would be pretty damn cool.

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dark_jedi said:

OK so if I understand this correctly you guys have the LD bit perfect PCM for Star Trek 1-5(still need 6, I hope we find it) and these 1080i files are way better then the BD video? why are they better? also what is wrong with the BD audio, or would the idea here be to have the LD PCM as an option like we do with most of our releases? I am just trying to wrap my head around all this Star Trek buzz in this thread lately, but if these 1080i files are better, and we have PCM audio files, a movie only at least BD to compliment the Box Set would be pretty damn cool.

As we've discussed it here, these do NOT have the DVNR that the Blu's have and the color timings are nicer.  

I believe I also have the DVD DTS Surround for Generations, First Contact, and Insurrection.

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dark_jedi said:

OK so if I understand this correctly you guys have the LD bit perfect PCM for Star Trek 1-5(still need 6, I hope we find it)

According to the thread, the current rips are bit perfect PCM for 3, 4, and 6, then non bit perfect PCM for 1 and 2.

5 is the one not yet ripped. 

That said, the LDs of the original Star Trek films are relatively easy to find. And the greater issue is finding someone with the equipment tor rip. 

and these 1080i files are way better then the BD video? why are they better?

The 1080i files, which I haven't seen (not a Usenet user), are free from the heavy DNR and EE that plagued many of the BD transfers. They're old HDTV transfers, but, at least, they look film-like.... 

Also, Voyage Home has additional picture information on the top and bottom, and the Wrath of Khan is the alternate director's cut (without the blue tint of the BD). 

also what is wrong with the BD audio, or would the idea here be to have the LD PCM as an option like we do with most of our releases? 

 As far as I can tell, the difference is just that the BD is a remix, and the LD is the theatrical audio. I'll leave it to those with better ears than mine to sell the differences. 

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dark_jedi said:

OK so if I understand this correctly you guys have the LD bit perfect PCM for Star Trek 1-5(still need 6, I hope we find it) and these 1080i files are way better then the BD video? why are they better? also what is wrong with the BD audio, or would the idea here be to have the LD PCM as an option like we do with most of our releases? I am just trying to wrap my head around all this Star Trek buzz in this thread lately, but if these 1080i files are better, and we have PCM audio files, a movie only at least BD to compliment the Box Set would be pretty damn cool.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1146477-star-trek-original-motion-picture-collection-comparison-pix-reviews.html

The BD audio is fine but not the original mix 

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

dark_jedi said:

OK so if I understand this correctly you guys have the LD bit perfect PCM for Star Trek 1-5(still need 6, I hope we find it)

According to the thread, the current rips are bit perfect PCM for 3, 4, and 6, then non bit perfect PCM for 1 and 2.

5 is the one not yet ripped. 

That said, the LDs of the original Star Trek films are relatively easy to find. And the greater issue is finding someone with the equipment tor rip. 

and these 1080i files are way better then the BD video? why are they better?

The 1080i files, which I haven't seen (not a Usenet user), are free from the heavy DNR and EE that plagued many of the BD transfers. They're old HDTV transfers, but, at least, they look film-like.... 

Also, Voyage Home has additional picture information on the top and bottom, and the Wrath of Khan is the alternate director's cut (without the blue tint of the BD). 

also what is wrong with the BD audio, or would the idea here be to have the LD PCM as an option like we do with most of our releases? 

 As far as I can tell, the difference is just that the BD is a remix, and the LD is the theatrical audio. I'll leave it to those with better ears than mine to sell the differences. 

Nice summation here ...... now DJ doesn't have to peruse the thread to get his answers.

;)  teeheehee 

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Thanks Guys, my Friend will get back to me on all this later tonight when he gets Home from work, but if these are that good and the PCM can be had this sounds like a nice bonus BD for the existing retail versions, but for me I am mainly concerned with 1-6 myself.

So now to figure out if it is worth it, and if it is to track the shit down.

@The Aluminum Falcon, thanks for clearing it all up for me.

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After having listened to the 7.1 audio for each of the first six movies, I think all the mixes are faithful to the original sound design without any noticeable modifications. I will say though that the music in TMP was much more prominent than I remember though. Sounded pretty fantastic I thought. Besides the better grain structure, I'm hoping someone can get the director's cuts of II - VI onto a preservation as who knows when they may turn up (if ever) on an official Blu-Ray. As far as sound editing goes, the extra scenes would have to be artificially bumped up to 7.1 to work with the new track.

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I haven't yet downloaded the 1080 copy of STII, but my 720p MKV HDTV rip is the theatrical cut, not the Director's. Mine has the Dolby Digital "raindrops" trailer at the front.

The NFO says source was Star.Trek.2.-.The.Wrath.of.Khan.(1080i.AC3.5.1).ts -  any idea what that one was, or if it's still out there?

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That's unusual, I've never seen a Dolby trailer attached to a TV rip (or screening).

A 'raw' theatrical HDTV rip would be a good find - I'm finding the 1080i DC a bit tricky to conform to the theatrical audio. It's worth the effort, though - it's a terrific presentation of the film, and side by side with the Blu demonstrates just how misjudged that remastering job was.

 photo Trek 2 compare.jpg

Incidentally, the 1991 widescreen laserdisc appears not to be the reported 2.35:1, but rather an opened-out 2.20:1. I'm not sure if any other releases use this format - presumably it's what the 70mm prints would have looked like.

 photo Trek 2 laser.jpg

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Actually, I saw a 35mm of TWOK last night, and the color is not exactly like the HDTV master (or at least the theatrical cut copy I have). Nowhere near as cool as the Blu-ray, to be sure, but the HDTV (or again, at least the theatrical cut copy I have) seems too neutral and too pink, if that makes any sense. The print I had kind of had the blue/teal/orange thing going without looking digitally tweaked or overly cool. It still looked familiar enough to me, I didn't think "wow, this looks different from the transfers I've seen", I thought "wow, this really does look very much like the pre-Blu transfers."

The Enterprise bridge walls always looked a kind of olive-umber, a bit green and a little brown. And I know that the decorative panels in the turbolift were more saturated olive-green than the non-Blu HD copy I have. The uniforms sometimes had a little bit of orange in them, tending more toward burnt sienna/burnt umber than the scarlet red they take on in the pre-Blu HD transfers I've seen. (Though it depended on how much each shot tended toward orange, I know other shots had a more maroon red with less orange.) The blue lights on some of the bridge consoles sometimes looked distinctly cyan-teal, and the main room of Regula One often had a blue/orange thing going. And I distinctly noticed that the medical bay scene (Preston's death) had kind of a golden yellow tinge going on. I hope I'm not going too far into color theory, I'm not sure if I'm good enough at explaining it.

Actually, if anybody has seen the preview of the 35mm scan of Star Trek III, the coloring of the clips of the ending of II in the prologue look very close to how those same scenes looked on the print of II I just saw. I kept thinking back to the blue/orange look of that 35mm scan of III (the Blu of II has its own blue/orange dichotomy at times, but not the same kind as the print in any way). Even though this print of II must have been struck fairly recently, it still looked like an 80s movie.

(Has anybody else here seen II in 35mm and can recall the colors they noticed?)

But I do need to check out the 1080i Director's Cut rip - if it's Sky, I guess it's the source of the other 720p MKV I used to have? (A couple years ago, I replaced it with the theatrical-cut 720p copy I have now, for reasons I don't remember. Maybe I thought I only needed one? I honestly had not realized my previous copy wasn't also the theatrical, maybe I assumed it was a separate downconvert of the same source?)

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OK, I just got the 1080i Sky Director's Cut rip off Usenet. Out of both HDTV versions (the DC, and the theatrical cut which I only have in 720p) this is definitely the closer of the two to the 35mm print I saw last night. It has that kind of blue/orange or cyan/orange tendency in a lot of scenes, just like the print - though it is a bit brighter and less contrasty, probably owing to being from a low-contrast, early-generation element? But it definitely doesn't have the "neutral" more pinkish-red look of my HDTV theatrical cut (which I still theorize might have been what the original DVD was derived from - some transfers done for DVD seem to have been future-proofed by actually being transferred in HD and then downconverted, I know the 1999 Ghostbusters transfer also turned up in HD).

There are still differences, though. For example, we see Spock's torpedo blast out of the Enterprise, both HDTV versions show the trail as a pale yellow, while the 35mm print had the torpedo trail as a saturated golden yellow-orange. (On the preview clip of the 35mm scan of III, that shot in the prologue shows the same saturated color to the effect; that's one of the reasons I say the colors seemed to basically match between the 35mm of II, and the prologue on the 35mm scan of III.)

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Thanks for the observations on the print, TServo. It's possible the palette was consciously restricted in the old HD scan if SD presentation was the end goal, or perhaps it's just limitations of the tech. In any case, it's good to know we have some rough approximations of the theatrical look in HD.

I've never seen Khan in 35mm, sadly, but I'm going to see a DCP showing in a couple of weeks. I expect it to look like the Blu (just as current DCPs of Alien and Mad Max 2 do) but we'll see.

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Jonno said:

That's unusual, I've never seen a Dolby trailer attached to a TV rip (or screening).

A 'raw' theatrical HDTV rip would be a good find - I'm finding the 1080i DC a bit tricky to conform to the theatrical audio. It's worth the effort, though - it's a terrific presentation of the film, and side by side with the Blu demonstrates just how misjudged that remastering job was.

 photo Trek 2 compare.jpg

Incidentally, the 1991 widescreen laserdisc appears not to be the reported 2.35:1, but rather an opened-out 2.20:1. I'm not sure if any other releases use this format - presumably it's what the 70mm prints would have looked like.

 photo Trek 2 laser.jpg

 yes indeed, the blow up ratio would have been 2.20:1.

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I went on Usenet couldn't find the sky caps. Would some one PM me the exact group?

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suntech said:

I went on Usenet couldn't find the sky caps. Would some one PM me the exact group?

There's always a straggler around here, LOL.

Check your pm's suntech.

:) 

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Jetrell Fo said:



suntech said:

I went on Usenet couldn't find the sky caps. Would some one PM me the exact group?


There's always a straggler around here, LOL.

Check your pm's suntech.

:) 


I'd also like a pm, please ... I have no experience with newsgroups and I have no idea where to look ... :-(

Time is the fire in which we burn

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Oso Blanco said:

Jetrell Fo said:



suntech said:

I went on Usenet couldn't find the sky caps. Would some one PM me the exact group?


There's always a straggler around here, LOL.

Check your pm's suntech.

:) 



I'd also like a pm, please ... I have no experience with newsgroups and I have no idea where to look ... :-(

Do you have a program to use for reading the newsgroups?

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Jetrell Fo said:


Do you have a program to use for reading the newsgroups?


Thanks! No, I don't have a program yet. I had figured out how to download from the newsgroups ages ago, for the exact same reason. I downloaded HD Caps of TMP, TUC and FC back in 2007 I think. But never went back to the newsgroups after that, so I guess I'll have to figure out how it works again.

Is there a program that you can recommend? Something small and easy?

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