Info: Star Trek HD Caps — Page 11

Took a screenshot of the 35mm LPP scan and the Sky HD cap to see the difference. Here’s the comparison.

35mm LPP

Sky HD

You can see there’s quite a difference in colour. The Sky HD cap also seems to be missing some picture on the left and right side, not sure why that is.

I much prefer the more theatrical dark look of the first image. It’s similar to the Wrath of Khan Blu-ray in that way, which I think is a fantastic film-like restoration.

Now if only we could get someone to do a Raiders of the Lost Ark-esque restoration by regrading the Sky HD cap to look like the 35mm scan without losing the clarity and detail of the HD TV version 😉

That would be the ultimate restoration project.

Thanks for posting that. I’m going to grab some of them today I think.

Do they all have the color space issue the version of II that was posted to Spleen has?

edit: Oh, I see you’ve posted a sample image. For III at least, it looks like the answer is no. Black levels look black, etc.

Are you sure you got “stin.dts” with that file name? I don’t see it, perhaps it is gone already? The TNG era ones do seem to have been posted first.

towne32 said:

Thanks for posting that. I’m going to grab some of them today I think.

Do they all have the color space issue the version of II that was posted to Spleen has?

edit: Oh, I see you’ve posted a sample image. For III at least, it looks like the answer is no. Black levels look black, etc.

I kept switching between 0-255 and 16-235, and I didn’t notice any difference at all. I was using MPC-HC, so either my eyes are misleading, I’m doing something wrong, or there really is no difference.

towne32 said:

Are you sure you got “stin.dts” with that file name? I don’t see it, perhaps it is gone already? The TNG era ones do seem to have been posted first.

I couldn’t find it either, until I added an “s”. It’s actually “stins.dts”.

A couple of the films (just II and III, I believe) have two different downloads, one with the rar files, another with all the par files. You have to add the par files to the main folder once their downloaded before post-processing (repairing, verifying, unpacking). If you’re using a newsreader like SABNZBD, it does the post-processing for you, so you’ll have to let it “fail”, then bring all the par files into one folder, and then retry. It’ll work then.

Shalashaska said:

towne32 said:

Thanks for posting that. I’m going to grab some of them today I think.

Do they all have the color space issue the version of II that was posted to Spleen has?

edit: Oh, I see you’ve posted a sample image. For III at least, it looks like the answer is no. Black levels look black, etc.

I kept switching between 0-255 and 16-235, and I didn’t notice any difference at all. I was using MPC-HC, so either my eyes are misleading, I’m doing something wrong, or there really is no difference.

Great. Did you happen to grab the Khan Director’s Cut? The difference should be clear as day with that one.

Yep, found Insurrection due to it being uploaded by the same user as some of the others. It is indeed the oldest upload, so people should maybe grab it first. Not sure if that’s how it works or if they’ll all be deleted in one huge batch for that chunk of time.

towne32 said:

Shalashaska said:

towne32 said:

Thanks for posting that. I’m going to grab some of them today I think.

Do they all have the color space issue the version of II that was posted to Spleen has?

edit: Oh, I see you’ve posted a sample image. For III at least, it looks like the answer is no. Black levels look black, etc.

I kept switching between 0-255 and 16-235, and I didn’t notice any difference at all. I was using MPC-HC, so either my eyes are misleading, I’m doing something wrong, or there really is no difference.

Great. Did you happen to grab the Khan Director’s Cut? The difference should be clear as day with that one.

Yep, found Insurrection due to it being uploaded by the same user as some of the others. It is indeed the oldest upload, so people should maybe grab it first. Not sure if that’s how it works or if they’ll all be deleted in one huge batch for that chunk of time.

I’ll have to look at it again. I kind of skimmed through that so I didn’t get to give it a proper look. I don’t remember it looking washed-out or grey though.

Yeah, oldest upload is gone first. With UNS, it has a 2919 day retention. Most of these have been up for something like 2600+ days, so once it goes past 2919 days, they’re gone, unless you can find a provider with an even longer retention which I very much doubt.

STIV is definitely the youngest of the bunch, I think it’s been up for ~1900 days, so consider going for that one last. I just grabbed them all at once and backed them up on an external. I’ve even considered putting them up for a limited time on MySpleen, but I’ve never tried uploading anything on there.

Anybody willing to put those pics on myspleen?

pittrek said:

Anybody willing to put those pics on myspleen?

I’m considering it, but I don’t know the rules, and I’m not totally sure if I want to.

It’s very easy to grab them off Usenet. If I can get them, you definitely can.

Shalashaska said:

I’ve even considered putting them up for a limited time on MySpleen, but I’ve never tried uploading anything on there.

Well, II was up under the condition that it be removed when the proper BD is released and verified to be decent (and it was). It might be worth a shot to ask about putting the others up under the same conditions. However, the situation is different in that II had a release date in 2 months while the others would be up indefinitely. Also, the admin of myspleen has stepped down, so I don’t know how that will affect anything. I don’t know if he was on the more liberal or conservative side of recent decisions to purge the site of “iffy” feature film uploads.

If I had any clue how to colour regrade, I’d try it with that screenshot to compare with the LPP and see how much DNR was applied to the HD TV cap. Obviously much less than the Blu-ray, but still some nonetheless.

towne32 said:

Shalashaska said:

I’ve even considered putting them up for a limited time on MySpleen, but I’ve never tried uploading anything on there.

Well, II was up under the condition that it be removed when the proper BD is released and verified to be decent (and it was). It might be worth a shot to ask about putting the others up under the same conditions. However, the situation is different in that II had a release date in 2 months while the others would be up indefinitely. Also, the admin of myspleen has stepped down, so I don’t know how that will affect anything. I don’t know if he was on the more liberal or conservative side of recent decisions to purge the site of “iffy” feature film uploads.

Yeah, I’d have to get in contact with the mods/admins to see how it is. The Raiders WOWOW HD TV cap has been up on Spleen for a long time, so I can’t imagine it’d be a whole lot different with the SKY HD caps, especially considering the Blu-rays for I, III-IX are all pretty shit.

Now I’m confused. Took two screenshots comparing The Wrath of Khan outputting at 0-255 and 16-235. No recognizable difference.

0-255

16-235

Maybe it’s impossible to tell from a screenshot and I’m an idiot, but on my own monitor, watching it with my own eyes, there’s no difference.

This is the file that was previously on spleen? I remember seeing a pretty big difference, though I don’t remember what I clicked in VLC to change the setting you’re changing. I don’t have the file anymore since I’m happy with the new BD.

towne32 said:

This is the file that was previously on spleen? I remember seeing a pretty big difference, though I don’t remember what I clicked in VLC to change the setting you’re changing. I don’t have the file anymore since I’m happy with the new BD.

I didn’t get it from Spleen, I got it from Usenet. Not sure if it’s the same file.

I’m using MPC-HC as VLC has trouble playing them on my laptop. On MPC, I go into View -> Renderer Settings -> Output Range -> 0-255/16-235.

It’s possible that it wasn’t the raw file, and the uploader did something to it. I forget, and can’t check anymore since it’s deleted. 😃

Are the alien subs burned in for these Sky HD caps?

towne32 said:

Are the alien subs burned in for these Sky HD caps?

Yep.

So I tried it on my other computer on VLC, went messing with the settings, and now I see what you mean with the colours.

It was like going from SD to HD with the dark blacks and richer colours. All of them seemed to work fine on my laptop on MPC with the exception of Star Trek V, which definitely looked very washed out and desaturated to me.

So in VLC, that’s the case for all of them? I forget how to get to 16-235 in VLC. Googling just gives hundreds of results on how to adjust your graphics card setting.

I was the one who uploaded the SkyHD broadcast cap of ST II Director’s Cut. It was very nice looking and everyone who downloaded it was very happy to have it alongside the new release that was forthcoming at the time.

That being said, I am currently working on my Star Trek VHS Home Video Archive project. It’s really more of a personal thing but since I have the Special Collector’s Series of the first 3 films, the Widescreen VHS of TMP Director’s Cut, and so on I am going to do them as DVD companions to my collection. I just finished capping ST6 Special Home Video Version with the extra 3 minutes not seen in theater. It turned out nice. I am getting ready to do TMP from the SCS VHS.

I will keep you all posted.

Thanks again for that upload. It is indeed a decent cap. For all we knew, the new BD could have been much worse than it!

You are most welcome. Myspleen was kind enough to allow it for that short time so I thank them as well. It got distributed to a bunch of folks who wanted it which means it’s out in the wild and available for hard core fans to get if they play their cards right, LOL.

Yeah, it was a reasonable way to handle it on their part (a temporary torrent). Will be curious to see how they would respond to the idea of uploading the others under the condition that they be removed if Paramount ever gets their act together to re-release them.