I haven’t updated this in a while, but I’ve seen no evidence that the newer releases from Disney are in any way respectful of the original versions.
If anyone has recommendations for changes, I’m open to them.There is a 35mm scan of Pinocchio.
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How does the Laserdisc version of Robin Hood compare to to the Gold DVD
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
Oh so the DVD is from the Original Files nice
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
I Have the 2005 DVD which is the one I grew up with and the Laserdisc do you know what’s the difference between the 2005 Special Edition DVD and The Special Edition Blu-Ray by any chance just curious
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
I Have the 2005 DVD which is the one I grew up with and the Laserdisc do you know what’s the difference between the 2005 Special Edition DVD and The Special Edition Blu-Ray by any chance just curious
The 2005 DVD and the Special Edition Blu-ray are very different.
The 2005 is a nearly identical transfer to the original DVD release, which was sourced from the original animation files, unlike the VHS and laserdisc. While the Special Edition Blu-ray is a re-render of the film made for the 3D release in 2009, which had a logo plastering (new Disney castle,) different colors, animation fixes, redone credits, etc.
This applies to both Toy Story 1 & 2. The 2005s are the best presentations of the original 95/99 renders (slightly higher bitrates,) while the Blu-rays are the 09 re-renders.
“Star Wars has, and will always be a restaurant.”
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
I Have the 2005 DVD which is the one I grew up with and the Laserdisc do you know what’s the difference between the 2005 Special Edition DVD and The Special Edition Blu-Ray by any chance just curious
The 2005 DVD and the Special Edition Blu-ray are very different.
The 2005 is a nearly identical transfer to the original DVD release, which was sourced from the original animation files, unlike the VHS and laserdisc. While the Special Edition Blu-ray is a re-render of the film made for the 3D release in 2009, which had a logo plastering (new Disney castle,) different colors, animation fixes, redone credits, etc.
This applies to both Toy Story 1 & 2. The 2005s are the best presentations of the original 95/99 renders (slightly higher bitrates,) while the Blu-rays are the 09 re-renders.
Ironically, apart from the updated logos and credits, the 3D version looks just like the 95 render, at least in 1’s case.
The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
I Have the 2005 DVD which is the one I grew up with and the Laserdisc do you know what’s the difference between the 2005 Special Edition DVD and The Special Edition Blu-Ray by any chance just curious
The 2005 DVD and the Special Edition Blu-ray are very different.
The 2005 is a nearly identical transfer to the original DVD release, which was sourced from the original animation files, unlike the VHS and laserdisc. While the Special Edition Blu-ray is a re-render of the film made for the 3D release in 2009, which had a logo plastering (new Disney castle,) different colors, animation fixes, redone credits, etc.
This applies to both Toy Story 1 & 2. The 2005s are the best presentations of the original 95/99 renders (slightly higher bitrates,) while the Blu-rays are the 09 re-renders.
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The Toy Story change was made before the first DVD release. The original opening never made its way to digital home video, only laserdisc/vhs.
Did they reainmate the movie or restore it because it looks different from the Laserdisc
When they first released it on DVD, they did a fresh transfer from the original files. Most prints before that used the 35mm film print as seen in theaters (including the VHS that I have).
I Have the 2005 DVD which is the one I grew up with and the Laserdisc do you know what’s the difference between the 2005 Special Edition DVD and The Special Edition Blu-Ray by any chance just curious
The 2005 DVD and the Special Edition Blu-ray are very different.
The 2005 is a nearly identical transfer to the original DVD release, which was sourced from the original animation files, unlike the VHS and laserdisc. While the Special Edition Blu-ray is a re-render of the film made for the 3D release in 2009, which had a logo plastering (new Disney castle,) different colors, animation fixes, redone credits, etc.
This applies to both Toy Story 1 & 2. The 2005s are the best presentations of the original 95/99 renders (slightly higher bitrates,) while the Blu-rays are the 09 re-renders.
Hold up right here! What do you mean exactly by “animation fixes” specifically? I’ve reviewed many releases of this movie and haven’t seen a single piece of animation witin the movie redone, even animation goofs and mistakes. I’d like to see some photographic and video evidence of what you mean exactly between the pre-2010 and 2010 releases.
I do remember reading an article that when they were converting some films to 3D (Finding Nemo was mentioned), they had to adjust the layout of objects in a scene, and in the case of Nemo, reduce the amount of bubbles and stuff suspended in the water because in 3D it was too distracting.
Dr. M
Am I misremembering or are there unique 4:3 and 16:9 versions of some Pixar movies?
JFS
Am I misremembering or are there unique 4:3 and 16:9 versions of some Pixar movies?
I’m not sure what you mean by unique specifically, but I’ve noticed with many Pixar movies from 1998-2006 (with the exception of The Incredibles), the 4:3 versions only on DVD would be reframed to be closer to the left or right, show more of the top and bottom image, pan and scan here and there, etc. Took some screenshots of the Fullscreen version to the 2001 (reprint of 2000) DVD to Toy Story 2 to compare it to the normal widescreen version for comparison if you’d like to see.
A miracle has happened! The new Cinderella remaster has grain, detail, texture and more natural colors!
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Am I misremembering or are there unique 4:3 and 16:9 versions of some Pixar movies?
I’m not sure what you mean by unique specifically, but I’ve noticed with many Pixar movies from 1998-2006 (with the exception of The Incredibles), the 4:3 versions only on DVD would be reframed to be closer to the left or right, show more of the top and bottom image, pan and scan here and there, etc. Took some screenshots of the Fullscreen version to the 2001 (reprint of 2000) DVD to Toy Story 2 to compare it to the normal widescreen version for comparison if you’d like to see.
Yes I could be wrong but I thought that one or more movies were re-rendered for fullscreen with characters repositioned accordingly to suit the framing, not just the camera reframed in general. If it’s true then I’m sure it varies by shot with the minimum amount of work possible. Feel free to post any caps.
Edit. Also in this vein, were any releases actually done from film prints or were they all done from master digital files to NTSC? If they can put it on film they can put it on video, I don’t see why they’d use the in-between.
JFS
Am I misremembering or are there unique 4:3 and 16:9 versions of some Pixar movies?
I’m not sure what you mean by unique specifically, but I’ve noticed with many Pixar movies from 1998-2006 (with the exception of The Incredibles), the 4:3 versions only on DVD would be reframed to be closer to the left or right, show more of the top and bottom image, pan and scan here and there, etc. Took some screenshots of the Fullscreen version to the 2001 (reprint of 2000) DVD to Toy Story 2 to compare it to the normal widescreen version for comparison if you’d like to see.
Yes I could be wrong but I thought that one or more movies were re-rendered for fullscreen with characters repositioned accordingly to suit the framing, not just the camera reframed in general. If it’s true then I’m sure it varies by shot with the minimum amount of work possible. Feel free to post any caps.
Edit. Also in this vein, were any releases actually done from film prints or were they all done from master digital files to NTSC? If they can put it on film they can put it on video, I don’t see why they’d use the in-between.
I think every movie from A Bug’s Life until Cars was recomposed at 1.33:1 to be released on VHS/DVD, but I could be wrong
And the only Pixar release not sourced directly from the digital files was the Toy Story laserdisc.
Yes I could be wrong but I thought that one or more movies were re-rendered for fullscreen with characters repositioned accordingly to suit the framing, not just the camera reframed in general. If it’s true then I’m sure it varies by shot with the minimum amount of work possible. Feel free to post any caps.
Edit. Also in this vein, were any releases actually done from film prints or were they all done from master digital files to NTSC? If they can put it on film they can put it on video, I don’t see why they’d use the in-between.
Okay, the only one officially confirmed by Pixar themselves where they reposition objects or characters to fit the screen was for the 4:3 versions is for Bugs Life (optional on the 2003 2-Disc DVD). On Disc 2 for the 2003 DVD, they made a bonus feature about it and compared it next to the Theatrical widescreen version. The only other movie where I’ve noticed repositioning is for Cars but only for like the opening like for the front graphic effects like when they’re showing clips of the characters alongside the race and that news scene where McQueen is missing. Otherwise, I haven’t seen any repositioning for any of the other Pixar movies.
Also, to answer your other question, all of these 4x3 releases on DVD are from the digital files, not film reels. If we were talking in general though, the only one that wasn’t from the digital files was Toy Story for the original 1996 VHS release, instead based off a film element for it’s source.
the new 4K master of Cinderella is glorious
unfortunately the mono mix is excluded
Raccoons
Holy moly! If that’s the future of Disney releases I think we’re in good hands. I’d love a Sleeping Beauty that looked like that!
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
Yes I could be wrong but I thought that one or more movies were re-rendered for fullscreen with characters repositioned accordingly to suit the framing, not just the camera reframed in general. If it’s true then I’m sure it varies by shot with the minimum amount of work possible. Feel free to post any caps.
Edit. Also in this vein, were any releases actually done from film prints or were they all done from master digital files to NTSC? If they can put it on film they can put it on video, I don’t see why they’d use the in-between.
Okay, the only one officially confirmed by Pixar themselves where they reposition objects or characters to fit the screen was for the 4:3 versions is for Bugs Life (optional on the 2003 2-Disc DVD). On Disc 2 for the 2003 DVD, they made a bonus feature about it and compared it next to the Theatrical widescreen version. The only other movie where I’ve noticed repositioning is for Cars but only for like the opening like for the front graphic effects like when they’re showing clips of the characters alongside the race and that news scene where McQueen is missing. Otherwise, I haven’t seen any repositioning for any of the other Pixar movies.
Also, to answer your other question, all of these 4x3 releases on DVD are from the digital files, not film reels. If we were talking in general though, the only one that wasn’t from the digital files was Toy Story for the original 1996 VHS release, instead based off a film element for it’s source.
A+ answer 👍
JFS
the new 4K master of Cinderella is glorious
unfortunately the mono mix is excluded
Considering this doesn’t come out until August… how can you be sure?
Dr. M
the new 4K master of Cinderella is glorious
unfortunately the mono mix is excluded
Considering this doesn’t come out until August… how can you be sure?
The blu-ray/4K is already out for DMC members. I linked some screenshots a few posts ago.
Thanks jolennon. Checked them out and cautiously optimistic.
My biggest hatred for Disney’s ‘restorations’ is when they scrub the image and then use edge enhancement.
The images look computer generated instead of hand drawn
Lines can get thicker and thinner as they go and the ends are smoothed to a point.
Those screenshots don’t that issue.
Btw, the Digital Bits is reporting that Snow White is getting a 4k this year as well.
Oooh.
Dr. M
So Snow White was restored by Lowrwy “in 4k” in 1994. I imagine a great deal of work was undertaken to copy the original negative into a new three strip negative, a color negative, and/or a digital environment. Did Disney reuse that work as basis for the subsequent releases, either the same digital files or new scans of the 1994 copies? (In that case might this new 4k be Disney’s first use of Snow White’s original negative since 1994?)
Now I’m not sure why Cinderella 4k wouldn’t have the original audio mix, unless Disney found really high quality music masters to drop in, like what they did for Sleeping Beauty bluray. I doubt anything like that exists for Snow White though and don’t really want to hear someone try to make an Atmos mix from the original mono mix. 🙉
JFS
Thanks jolennon. Checked them out and cautiously optimistic.
My biggest hatred for Disney’s ‘restorations’ is when they scrub the image and then use edge enhancement.
The images look computer generated instead of hand drawn
Lines can get thicker and thinner as they go and the ends are smoothed to a point.
Those screenshots don’t that issue.Btw, the Digital Bits is reporting that Snow White is getting a 4k this year as well.
Oooh.
I have the 4k release from the Disney Movie Club of Cinderella and it is a excellent image. All the details are there that were scrub away on the blu ray. All the lines and sparkles in her dress are intact.