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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features — Page 47

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I know someone probably said this before but the blu-ray of Bedknobs and Broomsticks does indeed have the theatrical cut because of the 117 minute runtime it has compared to the DVD’s 139 minute runtime

This post was made before the blu-ray was released but was never updated

Raccoons

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So, what is this I’m hearing now about Roger Rabbit being censored?

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voltwaffle said:

So, what is this I’m hearing now about Roger Rabbit being censored?

I know the ride is… is the movie getting more modification? I wouldn’t be surprised.

Dr. M

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PSA: Disney Movie Club is releasing Make Mine Music and Melody Time on BD this month.

While they confirmed themselves that the features would finally be uncut, MMM is once again censored like the DVD was.
Don’t bother picking that one up, a lot of club members are returning theirs for receiving an incomplete and defective movie as Movie Club confirmed that the cut sequence would be intact.

Melody Time is the new (uncut) Disney Plus transfer and intact.

That said, transfers are still heavily DNR edited and worse than DVD sources but nowhere near Christmas Carol or the Sword in the Stone BD.

Please help contact DMC and Disney on social media to replace the BD with an uncut version, we’re getting a petition going also, hoping they’ll own up to their misinformation spread before release.

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As far as I know, the only edit to Melody Time was Pecos Bill smoking.
Make Mine Music had more substantial changes so would be more noticeable.

Dr. M

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Apologies if this is considered a dumb reply, but have any of theses changed? And how do I accsess the “The Doctor M Restored Edition.” of Make Mine Music and Melody Time.

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is there any way to get Atlantis the lost empire in 1.66:1

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Strange, I’ve always been under the impression that Fantasia 2000 was 1.78:1 naturally. But I have no basis for that belief.

I put forth only that I watched it twice in IMAX at the Pacific Science Centre in Seattle.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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MattMahdi said:

Strange, I’ve always been under the impression that Fantasia 2000 was 1.78:1 naturally. But I have no basis for that belief.

I put forth only that I watched it twice in IMAX at the Pacific Science Centre in Seattle.

Well, it was made with the caps system which natively animates in 1.66:1, but it was shown in theatres in 1.85:1.

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Wish I’d known to pay attention to such things way back in 1999…

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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So. For those looking to upgrade Aladdin from ADigitalMan’s restoration, I noticed yesterday that someone is sharing a theatrical DTS audio track that can be synced to the Blu-ray’s video.

That was news to me. I suppose I should update the first post with details of that.

But here is my concern: I have no idea what the quality of the BD’s audio track is, if the mix is good, the source of the theatrical bits (besides “original motion picture soundtrack”, which doesn’t explain where a possible change to the “Good kitty” line came from), or the fact that the whole thing has to have been re-encoded to DTS if edits were made.

Yeah. Anyone know anything about what I apparently don’t know what I’m talking about?

Edit: And another question. I see the UHD disc and Signature BD have a new AR of 1.66:1. Blu-ray.com claims it opens up the borders and presents the ‘intended’ aspect ratio, but IMDb says that’s the negative’s ratio, but the intended is 1.85:1, which would make the Diamond Edition the preferred video source.

Thoughts here?

Dr. M

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Doctor M said:

So. For those looking to upgrade Aladdin from ADigitalMan’s restoration, I noticed yesterday that someone is sharing a theatrical DTS audio track that can be synced to the Blu-ray’s video.

That was news to me. I suppose I should update the first post with details of that.

But here is my concern: I have no idea what the quality of the BD’s audio track is, if the mix is good, the source of the theatrical bits (besides “original motion picture soundtrack”, which doesn’t explain where a possible change to the “Good kitty” line came from), or the fact that the whole thing has to have been re-encoded to DTS if edits were made.

Yeah. Anyone know anything about what I apparently don’t know what I’m talking about?

Edit: And another question. I see the UHD disc and Signature BD have a new AR of 1.66:1. Blu-ray.com claims it opens up the borders and presents the ‘intended’ aspect ratio, but IMDb says that’s the negative’s ratio, but the intended is 1.85:1, which would make the Diamond Edition the preferred video source.

Thoughts here?

well everything done in the caps system (with the exception of Atlantis: the Lost Empire) was originally 1.66:1 and then was printed to film at 1.85:1, so it does open up the image. but the big problems with the 4k release for Aladdin are color, dynamic range, and upscaling. The color was drastically altered for the 4K UHD release, also in 1995, an animated film wouldn’t have been worked on digitally in high dynamic range. then also the caps system rendered in 2K so who knows what damage Disneys upscaling could have done to the image, but there is of course a chance that the upscaling did not damage the image at all.

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That sounds about right.

I’m not a huge fan of HDR. I completely believe it’s the modern equivalent of colorizing a black and white film.
You are extracting light levels and colors from a film print (or in this case a computer) that the original creators had no expectations people would see.
I don’t understand why more purists aren’t against it since it isn’t the intent of the filmmakers.

So, the Diamond Edition is probably the last best version. Of course there is still the IMAX reanimation, but unless you’re going to scan a film print, I don’t think we can do more accurate than the LD, which is never going to look great.

Anyone know if “Aladdin 1992 720p HDTV DD5.1 x264-ESiR” is before the IMAX changes?

Dr. M

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Doctor M said:

That sounds about right.

I’m not a huge fan of HDR. I completely believe it’s the modern equivalent of colorizing a black and white film.
You are extracting light levels and colors from a film print (or in this case a computer) that the original creators had no expectations people would see.
I don’t understand why more purists aren’t against it since it isn’t the intent of the filmmakers.

So, the Diamond Edition is probably the last best version. Of course there is still the IMAX reanimation, but unless you’re going to scan a film print, I don’t think we can do more accurate than the LD, which is never going to look great.

Anyone know if “Aladdin 1992 720p HDTV DD5.1 x264-ESiR” is before the IMAX changes?

There is not a problem with HDR alone, it is similar to just having a higher resolution, just it can be easily abused and if abused it can ruin the picture. I would actually say that platinum edition might be the best, it really depends on if it is 480i or 480p. If it is 480p it is definitely the best edition. It seems to have the theatrical color colors and it is 1.69:1, meaning it is shows much more picture than the diamond edition.

What would be really amazing is if someone could convert the 4K UHD to SDR, fix the brightness, and then color correct it to the platinum edition colors, then upscale the laserdisc and use it to fill in the reanimated scenes.

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Also, if anyone has the software to rip the ITunes version of the lion king before it gets replaced with whatever the next butchered version is, I recommend you do it. Even though the HDR and color makes it close to unusable, it is the only 1.66:1 version of the lion king making it a valuable resource.

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Doctor M said:
I’m not a huge fan of HDR. I completely believe it’s the modern equivalent of colorizing a black and white film.
You are extracting light levels and colors from a film print (or in this case a computer) that the original creators had no expectations people would see.
I don’t understand why more purists aren’t against it since it isn’t the intent of the filmmakers.

I think a big problem with HDR, and a lot of reason people don’t like is less poor mastering (though there’s plenty examples of this and it certainly doesn’t help) but rather many people’s equipment. It’s meant to be viewed in a dark room, and it’s not like SDR where you can just turn up the backlight to accommodate a brighter room. Add to that most people don’t have high end displays that can get bright enough and/or have poor tonemapping, and most definitely not calibrated to reference levels, it can make HDR look very bad compared to SDR.
Dolby Vision tries to fix some of this, and does to some extent, but overall you’re not going to have a super great experience if your display isn’t up to the task

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Probably true, stwd4nder2. My TVs with HDR are early in the tech, but I feel most of the time it’s more like when you go to an electronics store and they are demoing the TVs in torch mode.

Still, I can’t imagine any director or cinematographer more than 6 or 7 years ago intending their work to look anything like what HDR does to it. Heck, when HDR first came out, they had to teach a lot of filmmakers what it was. Anyway, I guess we’re mostly off topic now.

Dr. M

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Sorry, but I do not feel like reading through 47 pages. Was there ever a scan of snow white?

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Darth telly said:

Sorry, but I do not feel like reading through 47 pages. Was there ever a scan of snow white?

Not that I’m aware or I would have mentioned it in the first post.

Dr. M

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poita said:

I think the home cinema Super8 releases might be worth a look. Most are probably pre-tampering and the colour looks pretty good. There are short digests available to use as reference as well.

These are from the Dwarves Dilemma 200ft digest.

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Did scans of this digest ever get released?

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Tantive3+1 said:

Besides The Lion King and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, what other Disney films had shots altered for the DVD/Blu-ray releases?

Almost all of them.

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titanic said:

Someone at bluray. com said this:

“Apparently, some streaming or on demand service a while ago had a new HD Master of Make Mine Music up for a short time and it was completely uncut.”

Does anyone know anything about it? Has he/she kept this version?

I came accross this too, does anyone know?