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I am working on being able to copy DVD movies from VHS. I want to take my old family tapes, Star Wars and some HBO specials they only released on VHS to DVD. Can someone message me with what I would need? I would really appreciate it.
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If you're just starting out, a lot of tools, tips, and tricks for transferring VHS to DVD can be found here...

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"But it does say DVD9 quality...which is bullshit."

It has DVD9 quality in the sense that if this guy had put this transfer to a dual layer it would be about the same quality as it is now. It never says that it is a Dual Layer disc. The quality isn't only about space but also about how you use the space, so you can't really define DVD9 as a quality, you have to see it for yourself or let somebody review it before you can be sure about the quality.
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No, you don't have to see it to know that it's not DVD9 quality. It's IMPOSSIBLE to say that it looks like it has double the amount of space available than it has right now. You can say that the quality is fantastic or looks almost like the original but the person selling this already threw his credibility out the window when he said it was uncompressed.

And no, if the guy put his transfer to dual layer, it would NOT be the same as it is now. It would most likely be a helluva lot closer to the actual laserdisc it was copied from. You have double the amount of space to work with. It's a pretty simple concept.
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An even simpler concept would be how spreading a movie over two discs also gives you double the space, yet you seem to have missed that.
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"An even simpler concept would be how spreading a movie over two discs also gives you double the space, yet you seem to have missed that."

Thank you lazysean.
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Originally posted by: lazysean
An even simpler concept would be how spreading a movie over two discs also gives you double the space, yet you seem to have missed that.



I haven't missed that at all. That's exactly what I'm saying.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have the same quality on a single layer disc as a dual layer disc.
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Of course it is impossible to have the same quality on A single layer disc as it is with a dual layer disc. But we are NOT talking about one single layer disc, we are talking about TWO. If you take a transfer and put it on to TWO single layer discs and then the same transfer and put it on one dual layer disc, the quality would be about the same between two single layer discs and one dual layer.

2 single layer = 4,7+4,7= 9,4GB
1 dual layer = 8,5 GB

So actually you will get 0,9 GB more on two single layer discs then on one dual layer.
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Correct. (commas instead of periods, eh? European, I'm guessing? )
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You see right through me.
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even though u have all that space on the dual layer disc... dont forget that your only ever going to have Laserdisc quality....
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Not neccesarily. I've been able to dramatically improve the picture quality in Sony Vegas. It looks much better than it would have straight out of the player.
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Originally posted by: lazysean
An even simpler concept would be how spreading a movie over two discs also gives you double the space, yet you seem to have missed that.


Why not just watch the laserdiscs if you have to change discs anyway???

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"Why not just watch the laserdiscs if you have to change discs anyway???"

Agreed in principle, but again, the touch-ups I've been able to make are a big difference, worth compressing the films onto one DVD. When I finally get my dual-layer burner, it'll be a moot point.
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How much will dual-layering enhance the bootlegs of the trilogy? I'm not terribly technical, and have been curious ever since everyone started talking on the subject of dual-layer DVD burners.
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You get twice as much space, so you images are only compressed by half as much.

It can potentially improve it to the point where you will see no difference to the original laserdiscs. Effectively if you made a dual layer version of just the movie and just the original PCM audio track, then the images will be compressed by less than half what they are on the current bootlegs. This translates into much better detail rendition, less blockiness in fast moving/panning scenes, less noise in the images etc.

You can see the problems in the current bootlegs in scenes like when luke opens the X-wing cockpit in jedi, look at the detail in the xwing it is lost in the mpeg blocking.

The images also need a slight colour correction as the colour rendition on the laserdisc set is a little off.
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I'd suggest there would still be quite a bit of difference between the original LaserDiscs and such a DVD, as from what I have read here, all these LaserDisc renditions have to be done by capturing the video footage, as LD players were never designed in such a way to interface them with computers...well at least for the home user, perhaps there's some old abandoned equipment out there from the early 90s that could do this.

Anyway with that said, when you capture footage, whether it is from LD or DVD, it can never truly be that close to the original regardless of specs and process you use, as you are recreating the image itself frame by frame with the equipment and software you're using, where as a "rip" as people do with DVD discs etc, takes the digital information and converts it to whatever format your encoding to. The only next best thing is having the original master film. LOL

Hope I haven't been too confusing here, it's just I've been into digital video/audio editing and authoring since '99, and have mostly been involved with wrestling media sites, which these days are nearly extinct, but in their hay day, many sites and forums I belonged to and worked for had many conversions about this sought of stuff, and I was always on the side for quality, as I am/were a huge quality freak when it comes to digital audio and video.

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no idea.

never got into LD, so i don't really know their specs.

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"How many GB would, say the Episode 4 laserdisc - take up ?"

My captures, done with DV AVI, take 30 GB's. DV AVI has a 1:4 compression ratio, so that's around 120 GB's using composite video. Laserman's are 200 GB's, but that's with component video - much more video information to store.

BTW, my numbers include the analog audio interleaved. The PCM audio, on a separate capture, takes about 1.27 GB's. This is why I turned it into a DD 5.1 sountrack, which only takes 387 MB's.
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Originally posted by: lazysean
An even simpler concept would be how spreading a movie over two discs also gives you double the space, yet you seem to have missed that.

Why not just watch the laserdiscs if you have to change discs anyway???

Fair enough, but that wasn't the point. It's still the same quality as a dvd9, if not the convenience.

Personally, though, I don't have the rackspace anymore to keep around a laserdisc player that I would hardly use. If two-disk dvd versions were all that was available, I would get it. Luckily, it's not that way, and there are people hard at work making even better versions for us all to enjoy

even though u have all that space on the dual layer disc... dont forget that your only ever going to have Laserdisc quality....


True, but what's wrong with laserdisc quality? 400 lines of resolution? PCM audio? Beats the crap out of vhs and is the original trilogy instead of whatever crank he's selling now? I'll take it!

I'd suggest there would still be quite a bit of difference between the original LaserDiscs and such a DVD, as from what I have read here, all these LaserDisc renditions have to be done by capturing the video footage


Certainly there's a difference, one is analog and one is compressed digital. But most studio dvd's come from digitizing an analog source (film) and come out looking pretty good. With the amount of technology available even to most consumers (not to mention those who work in broadcast, nudge nudge) why do you think we can't do it too?
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It's still the same quality as a dvd9, if not the convenience.


Again...what the hell does that mean? What is the same quality of a DVD9? That phrase itself means nothing. Everything depends on the original transfer, bitrate and how much bitspace is used on the disc. A properly formatted dual-layer disc will always be much better than a single layer disc becuase it has DOUBLE the amount of space. You can't say that a single layer disc has the same quality as a dual layer because it doesn't. It's simple numbers. it's impossible. Maybe to your eye, you can't see a difference. But I guarantee you that if you blow that image up and do a comparison, you'll see a difference.
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"A properly formatted dual-layer disc will always be much better than a single layer disc becuase it has DOUBLE the amount of space."

Please calm down. Everyone else seems to get the fact that we are comparing one dual-layered DVD to two single-layered DVD's (which would have more space overall.) Therefore, the overall bitspace for both transfers is very similar. The only advantage to the dual-layer is having the entire film on one disc without compromising quality or neccesitating disc swaps.

You keep comparing one dual-layered DVD to one single-layered DVD, and that isn't what the rest of us are talking about.
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Oh I'm totally calm.

I'm just confused about the quote "dvd9 quality." It doesn't make any sense.