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Hi, I’m one of those people who’s had enough of Lucas’s constant changes to the movies, Greedo shooting first, etc. and have recently created a site called Master Edition. At first glance, this site looks like it creates even more things that Lucas should change…which it does, but if you look closer, you’ll notice that a lot of the changes actually UNDO some of the changes he did to the Special Editions, along with fixing up plot holes, crappy graphics, inconsistent dialogue, etc. to make all the movies flow as one big saga, while at the same time making each movie appear to stand on its own two feet better. Most of the changes I’ve proposed are to the prequels, while the changes to the originals are pretty modest. Either way, I think it’s worth checking out.

Ultimately, my dream is that Master Edition be released along with the original theatrical versions of each film in a 12-disc boxed set. This way people could watch what they want, when they want, and a lot of people would be very happy. Best of all, a version like this would mean a guarantee of no more future changes, which is what a lot of people are looking for.

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Most of these changes are, IMO, not needed. Changing Tarkin's lines? Removing Vader force choking the Imperial officer? Adding a digital interrogation droid? I personally don't think it would do much good...
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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The changes you refer to are designed strictly for better saga continuity. Vader's character is very inconsistent in ANH with regards to the other movies, thus the changes to Tarkin's lines and some of Vader's actions. The droid one is just to improve the image to not feel so 70's, again to make the graphics in the saga more or less consistent.

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well you said in your article for A New Hope,

"10) Father’s lightsaber

Why: Obi-Wan mentions to Luke that his father wanted him to have his lightsaber when he was old enough, but there is nothing in ROTS to suggest that. Heck, Anakin thought Luke had died along with his mother. The dialogue could be fixed slightly to accommodate this.

How: Make Obi-Wan say, “I wanted you to have this…” by using someone’s voice that sounds like Sir Alec, or cut and paste him saying, “I,” from somewhere else."

Old Ben was just up to his tricks with varying point of view. You may want to rethink some of your material on this site of yours because most everyone on here won't accept any changes in the OOT.
And the red one, come on. Well, come on, Red, let's go!
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Hm. It's interesting, to say the least. May I recommend a better approach to the Grievous problem?

Have him walking tall and powerful, ala Clone Wars, at the beginning. Then, have Anakin take Dooku's red saber after the battle. At one point in the bridge battle, in which we could hopefully have some Grievous dueling Obi-Wan and Anakin, Anakin gets pushed away, and finally, just ignites Dooku's saber and throws it like a spear and hits Grievous in the chest. Grievous collapses and starts coughing while he hits the deactivate button (Basically, this just removes the need to see the last ep of Clone Wars to know why Grievous coughes). Grievous could ignite the saber and throw it out the window, then maybe grab it in space and then use it against Obi-Wan on Utapau.
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"Old Ben was just up to his tricks with varying point of view. You may want to rethink some of your material on this site of yours because most everyone on here won't accept any changes in the OOT."

Hmm, think about it...Ben would have no reason to lie to Luke about something like that. He wouldn't gain anything by telling him that it was his father that had wanted it as opposed to telling him that HE wanted it...which I think is the truth in this case since he feels that Luke's the only hope for the Jedi. Also, at this point, Obi-Wan hadn't told a lie to Luke yet, he only starts lying to him when he asks him about how his father died...which is obvious because he looks nervous and break eye-contact with Luke while saying it. So IMO, he has no reason to lie, so why do it when it's unnecesarry? ...it's debatable though...

And believe me, I rethought the material on my site many times...otherwise I wouldn't have posted it

"May I recommend a better approach to the Grievous problem?
Have him walking tall and powerful, ala Clone Wars, at the beginning. Then, have Anakin take Dooku's red saber after the battle. At one point in the bridge battle, in which we could hopefully have some Grievous dueling Obi-Wan and Anakin, Anakin gets pushed away, and finally, just ignites Dooku's saber and throws it like a spear and hits Grievous in the chest. Grievous collapses and starts coughing while he hits the deactivate button (Basically, this just removes the need to see the last ep of Clone Wars to know why Grievous coughes). Grievous could ignite the saber and throw it out the window, then maybe grab it in space and then use it against Obi-Wan on Utapau.
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Nice... I am seriously going to think about adding your idea to the site...good job.... BTW if u have more ideas like this, use my email or the other thread that I mentioned...it keeps things organized and makes my job easier. Great idea though...

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I ran across that site a while back, after a link from TF.N. Most of the changes are things I would LOVE to see made, but some of them just make me say "WTF?"
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"I ran across that site a while back, after a link from TF.N. Most of the changes are things I would LOVE to see made, but some of them just make me say "WTF?"

I would love to know which ones those are cuz at this point I'm getting very little feedback. When you have time, email me and tell me about them, or since you're a member of TF.N, post them there for a nice discussion. The more feedback I get, the more I'll be able to improve the list to eliminate any stupid changes or add things that I've never thought of...

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OK, I'll comment at TF.N on which are great, and on which do not make sense to me.
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Knolly, you may be interested to know that I've updated the site with the idea that you gave me. I modified it a bit to be less drastic, but it's close. I seriously never would have thought of it if it wasn't for you, so thanx This will be mentioned on the site shortly...

"OK, I'll comment at TF.N on which are great, and on which do not make sense to me."

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts...the good and the bad...

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BTW, aPPmaSTer, just so you'll recognize me, my username at TF.N is "TheWookiee."
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Nice to know. Also, I just glanced at your AotC changes and noticed the thing about more footage with Anakin's two sabers. There was more that was cut, but there was also footage of Dooku using two sabers against Yoda that was cut as well (thought you'd like to know).
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"Also, I just glanced at your AotC changes and noticed the thing about more footage with Anakin's two sabers. There was more that was cut, but there was also footage of Dooku using two sabers against Yoda that was cut as well (thought you'd like to know). "

Yeah I know about those scenes. I saw all the cut scenes on T'bone's site, but decided that Dooku is more of a single-saber, singe-blade fan. I think as an aristocrat, he sees anything other than a single sword as uncivilized. I also think I read this somewhere, maybe the novelization, but I can't remember.

Adamwankenobi, still awaiting your post dude...

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Is anyone else having trouble accessing the Master Edition website??

I have tried loads of times but it never works.......

"Cannot find server or DNS Error"

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Discuss…

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^ tis working ok for me m8


cool looking website - appmaster

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russs15, the site loads just fine. Maybe you have a problem with your connection, or maybe it was a temporary server error. Try again, it should load with no problem.

"cool looking website - appmaster"

Thanks dude.

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i dont get why obi wan lied to luke either about the lightsaber thing. it just makes him look like a liar and too much a manipulator now as it stands
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Originally posted by: battlewars
i dont get why obi wan lied to luke either about the lightsaber thing. it just makes him look like a liar and too much a manipulator now as it stands


Let's examine the situation, had he told Luke the truth:

Obi-Wan: Luke, just before you were born, your father and I had a large battle on a lava planet. I chopped off both of his legs and one of his arms, leaving only his mechanical arm. He then caught on fire and I stood watching him burn. I decided to leave and left him burning to death in extreme pain on the side of the lava river. But, before I left, I picked up his lightsaber. (Hands Luke the lightsaber)

(Luke looks at Obi-Wan with large eyes.)

Obi-Wan: SO... um, anyway, I thought I might give it to you. By the way Luke, he also wiped out an entire village of women and children jawas and used it to destroy all of the jedi in the jedi temple, including all of the kids, which he stabed through the stomach. So... what do you say?

Luke: ....YOU SON OF A BITCH! VADER DIDN'T KILL MY FATHER, YOU DID OBI-WAN, YOU ASSHOLE! MY UNCLE WAS RIGHT, YOU ARE JUST SOME CRAZY OLD MAN! I'M GOING BACK TO MY UNCLE'S FARM!

Obi-Wan: But, you are our only hope! You must do what you feel is right! You must learn the ways of the force!

Luke: DAMN YOUR FORCE! (Ignites Anakin's lightsaber, and stabs Obi-Wan through the stomach, before slicing him in half.)

(Luke leaves Obi-Wan's, and Vader takes over the galaxy. Luke still eventually meets Leia, who he marries and they have inbred kids together.)
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This maybe very unpopular but I would vote to remove the whole millennium falcon gunner sequence from ANH it detracts from a very important scene that occurs just prior to it and as the guns aren't used ever again I wouldn't miss this scene at all.
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Hmmm, that would actually work well. We maybe could delete the entire TIE attack sequence, and cut from Luke being sad about Obi-Wan's death to the Falcon approaching Yavin IV.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: battlewars
i dont get why obi wan lied to luke either about the lightsaber thing. it just makes him look like a liar and too much a manipulator now as it stands


Let's examine the situation, had he told Luke the truth:

Obi-Wan: Luke, just before you were born, your father and I had a large battle on a lava planet. I chopped off both of his legs and one of his arms, leaving only his mechanical arm. He then caught on fire and I stood watching him burn. I decided to leave and left him burning to death in extreme pain on the side of the lava river. But, before I left, I picked up his lightsaber. (Hands Luke the lightsaber)

(Luke looks at Obi-Wan with large eyes.)

Obi-Wan: SO... um, anyway, I thought I might give it to you. By the way Luke, he also wiped out an entire village of women and children jawas and used it to destroy all of the jedi in the jedi temple, including all of the kids, which he stabed through the stomach. So... what do you say?

Luke: ....YOU SON OF A BITCH! VADER DIDN'T KILL MY FATHER, YOU DID OBI-WAN, YOU ASSHOLE! MY UNCLE WAS RIGHT, YOU ARE JUST SOME CRAZY OLD MAN! I'M GOING BACK TO MY UNCLE'S FARM!

Obi-Wan: But, you are our only hope! You must do what you feel is right! You must learn the ways of the force!

Luke: DAMN YOUR FORCE! (Ignites Anakin's lightsaber, and stabs Obi-Wan through the stomach, before slicing him in half.)

(Luke leaves Obi-Wan's, and Vader takes over the galaxy. Luke still eventually meets Leia, who he marries and they have inbred kids together.)
i know he had to lie but about everything? lucas made a mistake by not adding a scene in the prequels where anakin asks obi wan to give his lightsaber to his son if anything happens to him

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Firefox decided to crash and take over half my reply with it. So here's my attempt at rewriting the whole #$%#@ thing. I'm sure I forgot some of it, but that's what I get for not planning on my web browser crashing while it's not even doing anything.

No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks." Just looking at the beginning of the ANH page, you're doing the same thing Lucas is infamous for -- flattening out character arcs for the sake of "consistency." Vader should emphatically not act the same way in ANH as he does in ESB. ANH was a life-changing experience for him; as the ESB crawl tells us, he's a man possessed. Before, he was just a man doing a job for a boss he didn't like in a universe that didn't like him. Afterwards, he has a new hope, he's reevaluating everything he's believed about his family and his boss for 20 years, he's planning a coup.

It was also a big career boost. Vader was definitely subordinate to Grand Moff Tarkin; we see Tarkin is already an Imperial officer in RotS when Vader is still learning how to feed himself and crying into his pillow each night. Tarkin's been around longer, is more politically astute, and Palpatine probably considers him more trustworthy. With Tarkin's death, Vader went up in the Emperor's eyes for two reasons. First, there is one less competitor for the Emperor's attention. Second, Vader had shown tactical judgment that Tarkin (and Tagge, Yularen, etc.) lacked. His decision to ignore Tarkin's hubris and personally lead DS-61 into battle nearly saved the Death Star, and if Vader had been in command, the Death Star would've survived. That gave Vader all the justification he needed to lobby for command of Death Squadron, under the pretext that he would use it to hunt down and destroy the Rebellion.

I also see nothing wrong with Vader getting guff from Admiral Motti (or was that Tagge?) in the conference room. He's a flag officer, so he's probably been part of the military establishment longer than "Darth Vader" has, and has no idea who this guy is. Just some nut in a life-support suit who is one of many Imperial military advisors. Maybe a loyal Jedi who wasn't killed in the Purge. Motti remembers the Jedi as some kind of crazy cult that tried to take over the Republic but fell before the might of technology and military discipline. In Motti's mind, the power of the Force really is insignificant compared to technological terrors. He needs to voice that, both to establish the elite's opinion of Force-users in the ANH era and to put Vader in his place for the audience.

To wit, I saw Vader's fall and it was disappointing. I've also seen Vader's rise and I like it. Given the choice, I would keep it.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Hmmm, that would actually work well. We maybe could delete the entire TIE attack sequence, and cut from Luke being sad about Obi-Wan's death to the Falcon approaching Yavin IV.


I sure hope you're joking...

"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Hmmm, that would actually work well. We maybe could delete the entire TIE attack sequence, and cut from Luke being sad about Obi-Wan's death to the Falcon approaching Yavin IV.

I agree that it would actually work well, unfortunately not many people are ready to part with the TIE attack sequence, myself included. The TIE attack sequence, just like the droid factory sequence in AOTC, serves absolutely no purpose in the story; it's just for show. Nevertheless, it's what made Star Wars Star Wars. I tried my very best with the site to keep the original Star Wars as much as possible, while at the same time integrating some other saga elements...this way the purists would be happy (apparently not judging by the polls) and the prequel lovers would also be happy because the saga is a little more consistent.

Originally posted by: Scruffy
Firefox decided to crash and take over half my reply with it. So here's my attempt at rewriting the whole #$%#@ thing. I'm sure I forgot some of it, but that's what I get for not planning on my web browser crashing while it's not even doing anything.

No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks." Just looking at the beginning of the ANH page, you're doing the same thing Lucas is infamous for -- flattening out character arcs for the sake of "consistency." Vader should emphatically not act the same way in ANH as he does in ESB. ANH was a life-changing experience for him; as the ESB crawl tells us, he's a man possessed. Before, he was just a man doing a job for a boss he didn't like in a universe that didn't like him. Afterwards, he has a new hope, he's reevaluating everything he's believed about his family and his boss for 20 years, he's planning a coup.

It was also a big career boost. Vader was definitely subordinate to Grand Moff Tarkin; we see Tarkin is already an Imperial officer in RotS when Vader is still learning how to feed himself and crying into his pillow each night. Tarkin's been around longer, is more politically astute, and Palpatine probably considers him more trustworthy. With Tarkin's death, Vader went up in the Emperor's eyes for two reasons. First, there is one less competitor for the Emperor's attention. Second, Vader had shown tactical judgment that Tarkin (and Tagge, Yularen, etc.) lacked. His decision to ignore Tarkin's hubris and personally lead DS-61 into battle nearly saved the Death Star, and if Vader had been in command, the Death Star would've survived. That gave Vader all the justification he needed to lobby for command of Death Squadron, under the pretext that he would use it to hunt down and destroy the Rebellion.

I also see nothing wrong with Vader getting guff from Admiral Motti (or was that Tagge?) in the conference room. He's a flag officer, so he's probably been part of the military establishment longer than "Darth Vader" has, and has no idea who this guy is. Just some nut in a life-support suit who is one of many Imperial military advisors. Maybe a loyal Jedi who wasn't killed in the Purge. Motti remembers the Jedi as some kind of crazy cult that tried to take over the Republic but fell before the might of technology and military discipline. In Motti's mind, the power of the Force really is insignificant compared to technological terrors. He needs to voice that, both to establish the elite's opinion of Force-users in the ANH era and to put Vader in his place for the audience.

To wit, I saw Vader's fall and it was disappointing. I've also seen Vader's rise and I like it. Given the choice, I would keep it.


You mention some very good points there, Scruffy. The only part I didn't like was "No offense, but I had to vote "It sucks." c'mon man, it couldn't be that bad! Especially some of the prequel changes...oh well...anyways back to our discussion...

Here's the way I see it: Vader's been around for 18+ years doing nothing but killing Jedi and terrorizing the galaxy. He, next to the Emperor, is the symbol of fear and power in the galaxy. Him being a Sith also helps in this case. When Lucas was making Star Wars in the 70's, I doubt he even had the slightest clue as to what a Sith is and how they should act. This changed of course over time.

Now, when a person with that much power and respect hears a phrase like, "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerous ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion..." it would be like...WHAT?! He's dissing his religion and what he believes in, not to mention something that is PROVEN to be the greatest power in the galaxy?! If that were me, I'd kick his ass all the way to the Bahamas. In ESB, the two officers that made bad judgements and tactical mistakes were intantly KILLED by Vader, but a mistake is not made with the intention of being malicious. Admiral Motti openly insulted him and degraded him in front of the other officers...which, if he were the ESB Vader, would have led to a fate much worse than death...

To add to the effect, Tarkin tells him, "Vader, release him!", like he's saying, "Sparky, down boy!" WHAT?! Talking to a Sith like that?? Also Leia's line, "I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash", adds even more to the effect by making it seem like that was Tarkin's reputation throughout the galaxy.

I agree that Tarkin should have a lot of authority, but not more than Vader.

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Originally posted by: aPPmaSTer

Now, when a person with that much power and respect hears a phrase like, "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerous ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion..." it would be like...WHAT?! He's dissing his religion and what he believes in, not to mention something that is PROVEN to be the greatest power in the galaxy?! If that were me, I'd kick his ass all the way to the Bahamas. In ESB, the two officers that made bad judgements and tactical mistakes were intantly KILLED by Vader, but a mistake is not made with the intention of being malicious. Admiral Motti openly insulted him and degraded him in front of the other officers...which, if he were the ESB Vader, would have led to a fate much worse than death...

To add to the effect, Tarkin tells him, "Vader, release him!", like he's saying, "Sparky, down boy!" WHAT?! Talking to a Sith like that?? Also Leia's line, "I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash", adds even more to the effect by making it seem like that was Tarkin's reputation throughout the galaxy.

I agree that Tarkin should have a lot of authority, but not more than Vader.


Vader knew Tarkin for about 20 years, so I suppose that in 20 years they had much respect for each other. Vader would have killed Admiral Motti (SP?) if Tarkin didn't tell him to release him. In ESB Tarkin is death, and Vader isn't humaniod anymore (in ANH you still was 50% men, 50% machine, in ESB, it was just a heartless cyborg). About your changes, I think you should better make the PT fit the OT, and not the other way around, because thats the same mistake GL made, is to make the OT fit the PT, and not vica-versa.
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