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There is an open matte hdtv version of Gladiator around somewhere. I never found it, but it was shown with screenshots on the avsforum.
EDIT: merged this list with that one:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/List-of-movies-with-altered-aspect-ratios/topic/16466/
it will be not updated anymore, so please continue the discussion there, thanks!
List of movies with variable aspect ratio (in theaters AND in Blu-ray if not otherwise noted):
don’t know if there are more, or any on DVD or other formats; if so, please let me know.
I watched only (Batman) The Dark Knight and at the beginning I was a bit confused; then I realized that with this presentation method I could see more than a “simple” 2.35:1 version, and I started to think about some movies that could be preserved using different sources, like open matte and letterbox for example.
I’d like to know what do you think about a movie released with variable aspect ratio, and if you like the idea of a fan preservation using this, let’s call it, variable aspect ratio method.
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There is an open matte hdtv version of Gladiator around somewhere. I never found it, but it was shown with screenshots on the avsforum.
Add Hunger Games Catching Fire to that list as it switches from scope to re-formatted IMAX sequences throughout
one i would like to see would be Apollo 13
that was opened up for the IMAX version (but shortened as well due to technology contraisnts at the time). I have disc two from the R1 DVD set that contains the IMAX version and also had a 1.78:1 HDTV rip of the full theatrical cut as well on my laptop
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rockin said:
There is an open matte hdtv version of Gladiator around somewhere. I never found it, but it was shown with screenshots on the avsforum.
So this imply that you will be happy to see a Gladiator restoration using open matte for the whole movie, or variable aspect ratio? I think it could be cool, in both cases.
bigrob said:
Add Hunger Games Catching Fire to that list as it switches from scope to re-formatted IMAX sequences throughout
done.
one i would like to see would be Apollo 13
that was opened up for the IMAX version (but shortened as well due to technology contraisnts at the time). I have disc two from the R1 DVD set that contains the IMAX version and also had a 1.78:1 HDTV rip of the full theatrical cut as well on my laptop
bigrob, thanks, you have always interesting ideas! Can you tell me (or check) if the IMAX version AR is 1.78:1 as well? The HDTV version could be integrated along with the HD-DVD 2.35:1 when (if) the former has p&s shots instead open matte...
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i'll try and get some caps up of the IMAX version. but it's certainly 1.78:1 throughout. I have my TV set to overscan (for reviewing reasons)
i don't have the HDTV version anymore but can get hold of it again to double check the AR on that
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Galaxy Quest reportedly had three aspect ratios in theatrical release...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/alternateversions
Douglas Trumbull's Brainstorm (1983) is one for your list.
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Done, thanks!
Galaxy Quest will worth a restoration in HD only for this (from IMDB):
The DVD release includes an alien soundtrack option, that allows viewers to watch the movie dubbed into the strange alien language used in the film!
Any interest in a list of Blu-ray titles with altered aspect ratios? Data will be "stolen" from here:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=180163
and maybe delete the 1.85:1 to 1.78:1 because the list is not updated anymore, and many of them are simply open matte - or I could do two lists.
I think it could be useful for our forum.
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another one is Mission Impossible : Ghost Protocol
shot with IMAX camera for selected scenes, Brad Bird kept the home video release at constant ratio
not sure if there is an opened up transfer of this on any HDTV networks
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Dark Knight Rises is variable in theaters and Blu-ray, and I was under the impression that Catching Fire's Blu-ray is just sticking to one. Same deal with Star Trek Into Darkness, variable in theaters (and the visual commentary track), static on Blu-ray.
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Avatar is probably the most infamous example of multiple aspect ratios. The 2D theatrical was around 2:35.
Voyage of the Dawn Treader also caused some HT enthusiast teeth gnashing over the home video transfer.
Does the recomposed for 4:3 home video version of Pixar's A Bug's Life count? (They literally re-rendered the entire movie.) I don't think they did it for any other films, and pretty sure they didn't port that over to Blu Ray, so it may be as obscure as the full frame version of Lady and the Tramp is now.
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I'm pretty sure the thread is for movies that CHANGE ratios during the runtime of the movie, and if those changes made it to home video. That's how I understood it?
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bigrob, doubleofive, thanks; list updated.
What about the other list I mentioned in post #7, any interest in it? I thought to integrate it with this list, plus movies that exists in open matte (4:3 and 16:9) in high definitions and could be worthful to preserve, like Gladiator or The Matrix.
doubleofive said:
I'm pretty sure the thread is for movies that CHANGE ratios during the runtime of the movie, and if those changes made it to home video. That's how I understood it?
Yes it is, but the movies bigrob is talking about could be integrated in the list I have mentioned before.
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Agreed. We should have two lists. One of movies with changing ratios during the runtime, marked with whether or not the ratios made it to home video, and another of movies that have different ratios depending on the format (excluding Pan and Scan, of course).
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What if we make a single list? At the end, the movies with variable aspect ratios are so few...
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Sounds good to me.
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I hear Attack of the Ridiculous had changing aspect ratios.
Catching Fire on BD is like The Dark Knight BD. it is 2.40:1 for majority for it but during the games it switches to 1.78:1 to replicate the IMAX showings
two more for the list but bear with me as i'm not 100% sure on info
The Amazing Spider-Man - IMAX version - 2.40:1 but had scenes that opened up to 1.90:1
Prometheus - IMAX version - opened up to 1.90:1 throughout
never saw these at IMAX though (last film i saw was Superman Returns in 3D) so i'm just going off old info from various places so if anyone has seen these and need to correct me, please do so
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IIRC, Oz The Great and Powerful starts out in 1:33, (and black and white) until the main character actually gets to Oz.
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I know there's another similar to this, I'm racking my brain to think of it. I may just be thinking of the trailer to that film.SilverWook said:
IIRC, Oz The Great and Powerful starts out in 1:33, (and black and white) until the main character actually gets to Oz.
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Life of Pi had different aspect ratios, and on top of that it had some stuff move out over the black borders sometimes!
Hello,
First time poster. Doubleofive alerted me to this thread, and I thought I'd add some thoughts. For whatever reason, I'm obsessed with aspect ratios. I also worked as a projectionist for years, and I picked up a lot of useless trivia in that time. Hope I can help.
First off, in regards to the list at hand, here's what I've come up with:
Grand Budapest Hotel: Uses 1.33, 1.85 and 2.39 to differentiate time periods
Dr. Strangelove: This one is weird. It was originally 1.66 theatrically, but for home video it had "variable aspect ratios" at Stanley Kubrick's request. Much has been written about this, but I handled a print myself, and it's quite clear that the variable AR version is just open matte to 1.33, and some of the footage was hard matted in camera. You also see boom mic's and fuzzy-edged gates, etc. It's clear to me that the film was originally intended to be shown in 1.66 throughout. Then again, Kubrick says it wasn't. So take that as you will. The Blu-ray has opted to go back to the constant ratio though.
In regards to the second list, I think that's a good idea, but I also think that some restraint might be good. Including all movies that have been shown open matte is basically the HD equivalent of including movies that have been panned and scanned. It's standard operating procedure to make a 1.78 master of 2.39 movies that were shot in Super 35 or HD. It would be a really long and kind of pointless list, because most times, they're only shown on TV, and not even the filmmakers themselves have watched them.
On the other hand, I do think that it would be very beneficial to have a list of movies with aspect ratios which were changed either theatrically or on home video for creative reasons. And there are a lot of those.
In reply to some stuff mentioned in the thread:
I'm pretty sure the Imax ratio for Apollo 13 was 1.44 theatrically. They did this for Attack of the Clones as well, but I think that was 1.78. I heard they actually recomposited shots for that one.
Mission: Impossible-Ghost Protocol is 1.78 on Netflix. So you can see the Imax footage opened up a bit, although the 35mm footage is cropped.
Avatar was really weird. Cameron composed for 2.39, then realized that he preferred the added height for 3D. So the Imax version was windowboxed to 1.78. the 2D version was 2.39. But for standard theaters showing the movie in 3D, 2 versions were sent out. One was 2.39 and one was 1.85. Theaters were told to use whichever version would produce the largest image, depending on the screen masking. Then for home video, he decided that the movie looked best at 1.78 regardless of 2D or 3D.
Titanic went through a similar (if simplified) process for its 3D release. Shot in Super 35, it was originally composed for 2.39. This is how it was presented in regular 3D theaters. But in Imax, it was opened up to 1.78. On the Blu, the 2D version is 2.39, and the 3D version is 1.78.
bigrob, is the changing AR on the Catching Fire Blu confirmed? I heard that the European release would have both, but the American release was going to be 2.39 throughout.
There are a number of other movies like Prometheus that were 2.39 in regular theaters and 1.90 in Imax. The ones I know of are:
Skyfall
Oblivion
I, Frankenstein
Hope this helps.
I knew mumbles would have some insights. I feel like a Pokemon master, "I CHOOSE YOU!"
We've half joked about starting a podcast on aspect ratios.
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YOU'VE half-joked. I'm 100% serious.
As many of you may know, The Robe, the first CinemaScope film had a separate academy version filmed, and then there's the The Bat Whispers, which also has separate 2:1 and 1.33:1 versions.
So, a new book came out and we learned so much, and it is called, “Anguilosaurus, Killer of the Living”.
Apparently EPIX is showing Star Trek Into Darkness in 16:9 with the IMAX shots expanded and the standard shots cropped. Could be useful in a preservation.
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