as i mentioned earlier with the ROTS ROTJ comparison, the Endor space battle needs to be more intense! in the novel, it talks about blockade runners, after they're engines are gone, making suicide runs into the stardestroyers! wat parts i don't care! That just sounds crazy!
btw, if anyone here wants to talk about BF anymore. i had an idea if someone wants to make it up. have a scene where bobba flies out of the sarlac pit and says some vengful remarks about solo.
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Yeah i wondered that too. He's a god to them and they still want to roast the heroes. Huh?
Maybe have Logray gesturing and put in subtitles where he says "no, these beings are the ones forcing us from our homes and destroying our forests" or something?
Then 3PO says he'll levitate then "he" does.
That might be the key. But am not really sure how the Ewoks would view the rebels as compared to the Imperials. It is easy for us to justify the ewoks villianizing stormtroopers as the Empire would stomp all over the planet with machines, building bunkers and shield generators and landing platforms. But would the ewoks view the rebels the same as the stormtroopers? They are human, so they might. But they aren't in the same armor, so they might not. It could be like bingowings suggested that if they worshiped 3PO as being a god, why shouldn't they do the same with the stormtroopers who are also as non-organic as 3PO is. Which is why an image of 3PO would make all the difference.
OH! What if an ewok spy can be matted into the foreground of the scene where the rebels first exit the shuttle tyderium. If the rebels are seen exiting an imperial ship, the ewoks would see them as enemies, the same as the imperials. R2 and 3PO would have to be matted out of that shot until the ewok spies left, of course.
With Adywan's idea to kill off Lando, it got me thinking about Luca's original idea of nine movies and what the third trilogy may have been about.
I remembered Lucas said years ago that originally after the success of the first film he realised he could make 9 films. Years later after the release of the special edition movies and then the prequel trilogy, he has said that there will never be any more star wars movies (post- Jedi) because the Skywalker Saga was resolved.
So what would an alternative version of Return of the Jedi have been like if the idea had been to continue the franchise with episodes 7,8 & 9?
I happened to pick up a copy of the novel - Splinter of the minds eye (re-issue) and in it theres an Intro supposedly written by Mr Lucas (his signature is on the last page) - as he began making the original Star Wars movie he realised the full story would take 9 movies to tell (3 trilogies) and what he was setting out to write was the middle trilogy (OT). So.... it seems originally he was thinking of making 3 triliogies, I would think that after the release of Return of the Jedi the final version of the story wrapped up all the loose plot points so in the end there was no need for a third trilogy.
I wanted to find out what may have been the plot for the third trilogy so i tried to find transcripts of interviews with George Lucas to see if he gives any hints of what he had thought about.
In one he says that he never had much to do with the EU, apart from now and again saying "No" when asked if Luke could be killed or if a story on Yoda's origins could be done.
He then says, my story was always about the Skywalkers and it ended with the son redeeming the father, but... if he had written anything after episode 6 he would have gone in a different direction to the current EU, for example... Luke never gets married!
I then read another interview with one of the producers of Return of the Jedi and he said in an early draft, the film ended with Anakin Skywalker joining the Rebels, he then asks Luke to help him to kill the Emperor, Leia is made Queen by the survivors of Alderaan - which would become the plot for the next trilogy.
I dont think Han or Lando were mentioned in that particular interview.
Sorry I havnt included any links to where i found this information but it is there if you google - George Lucas Interviews
Hope my writing makes sense, i put it here mostly to get my own thoughts straight on an alternative take on Jedi that could lead to a third trilogy.
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Anakin's body should disapear from the Vader suit when his head rests back in Luke's arm. He becomes one with the force so his body should disapear.
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I agree, but Lucas never explained if Qui-Gon learned this secret about staying around as a Force ghost and taught it to Yoda, who taught it to Obi-Wan just before they both went into exile, how would Anakin know about it? And why didn't Qui-Gon disappear (of course, that's fixable, but Obi-Wan would have freaked out next to that pit if he had never seen that before).
It's all sloppy. All Jedi should have disappeared when they died. Then nothing would be wrong. I'm still upset about that.
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From what I can remember its goes something like this
when Qui gon died there was balance in the force so he was burned on the Pior which is jedi tradition
then later on there is imbalance caused by the Jedi Purge, so Qui gon finds a way back via the force as a spirit (the scene was never completed for the film.)
the imbalance is so strong that OBI & Yoda disolve into the force at the time of their deaths
when Vader dies he has restored the balance to the force by killing El Sid, & as a result luke Burns his remains as is the tradition.
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BarBar Jinkx said:From what I can remember its goes something like this
when Qui gon died there was balance in the force so he was burned on the Pior which is jedi tradition
then later on there is imbalance so he finds a way back via the force
the imbalance is so strong that OBI & Yoda disolve into the force at the time of their deaths
when Vader dies he has restored the balance to the force by killing El Sid, & as a result luke Burns his remains as is the tradition.
Never heard that one. Why couldn't Lucas have made it easier? Oh yeah, he didn't watch the OT when he was writing the PT, and only addressed issues as they were pointed out to him, promising answers in "the next movie."
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A friend of mine, who really should join up for here suggested that the body dissapearing thing should be to be an act of will.
Ben when he is cut down by Vader knows he is going to die and he knows the correct meditiation to maintain his consciousness and return to the physical world via the Force. The same is true of Yoda.
Qui-Gon and Anakin don't know the correct procedure but learn it in the afterlife because there is a need to return.
Qui-Gon needs to help the last two Jedi fix the situation caused by the rise of the Sith and Vader needs to continue his redemption by helping the last Jedi rebuild what he destroyed.
That's a good explanation but I don't know how that could be put on screen in a way that doesn't sound (if you pardon the pun) forced.
Bingowings said:A friend of mine, who really should join up for here suggested that the body dissapearing thing should be to be an act of will.
Ben when he is cut down by Vader knows he is going to die and he knows the correct meditiation to maintain his consciousness and return to the physical world via the Force. The same is true of Yoda.
Qui-Gon and Anakin don't know the currect procedure but learn it in the afterlife because there is a need to return.
Qui-Gon needs to help the last two Jedi fix the situation caused by the rise of the Sith and Vader needs to continue his redemption by helping the last Jedi rebuild what he destroyed.
That's a good explanation but I don't know how that could be put on screen in a way that doesn't sound (if you pardon the pun) forced.
Conceptually, I really don't have a problem with Qui-gon or Anakin disappearing into the force. The bigger problem is to have it work on screen. Anakin isn't around to see Qui-gon ka-bobed, so as Vader he can still be surprised when Ben disappears. The only problem is the funeral of Qui-gon. Is there any information that is absolutely nessecary to keep? I think the 'rule of 2' can go, it was never really brought back up in the rest of the movies. Anakin's getting trained by Obi-wan can also be cut with the funeral. Yoda delivers this information in the next scene anyway.
If you can cut the funeral, there shouldn't be an issue of Qui-gon disappearing.
Sluggo said:Bingowings said:A friend of mine, who really should join up for here suggested that the body dissapearing thing should be to be an act of will.
Ben when he is cut down by Vader knows he is going to die and he knows the correct meditiation to maintain his consciousness and return to the physical world via the Force. The same is true of Yoda.
Qui-Gon and Anakin don't know the currect procedure but learn it in the afterlife because there is a need to return.
Qui-Gon needs to help the last two Jedi fix the situation caused by the rise of the Sith and Vader needs to continue his redemption by helping the last Jedi rebuild what he destroyed.
That's a good explanation but I don't know how that could be put on screen in a way that doesn't sound (if you pardon the pun) forced.
Conceptually, I really don't have a problem with Qui-gon or Anakin disappearing into the force. The bigger problem is to have it work on screen. Anakin isn't around to see Qui-gon ka-bobed, so as Vader he can still be surprised when Ben disappears. The only problem is the funeral of Qui-gon. Is there any information that is absolutely nessecary to keep? I think the 'rule of 2' can go, it was never really brought back up in the rest of the movies. Anakin's getting trained by Obi-wan can also be cut with the funeral. Yoda delivers this information in the next scene anyway.
If you can cut the funeral, there shouldn't be an issue of Qui-gon disappearing.
There is still an issue in that Qui-Gon doesn't disappear as he dies in Obi-Wan's arms (same goes for Anakin) perhaps cremation isn't a common funereal practise in the Star Wars universe and it freed the body allowing the spirit to decide it's fate in the afterlife (much as Hindus and Sikhs believe).
It could be common to the Naboo and convieniant for Luke (lots of wood and a big metal and plastic form to get rid of).
This is all academic unless there is a way of showing this on screen.
I like the two pyres (partly because it would allow for Dooku to turn up in Episode One) they book end each other but they could be trimmed bear of all that repeat exposition.
If Padme is cremated too saving that pendant and giving it to Leia (who gives it to Luke) would be a good final trigger for Vader turning on Palpatine.
It falling to the floor when Luke is shot with Force lightning would tie the first episode to the last and remind Vader that he was once little near orphan Annie.
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OH! What if an ewok spy can be matted into the foreground of the scene where the rebels first exit the shuttle tyderium. If the rebels are seen exiting an imperial ship, the ewoks would see them as enemies, the same as the imperials. R2 and 3PO would have to be matted out of that shot until the ewok spies left, of course.
Cool. Just like a shadowy figure in the bushes that watches them and makes those Wicket growling noises as he watches them. Could add some early suspense for the audience too. The ewoks would certainly know the Imperial equipment by then too. Shuttles, Walkers, AT-STs would all be regarded as containing the enemy.
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OH! What if an ewok spy can be matted into the foreground of the scene where the rebels first exit the shuttle tyderium. If the rebels are seen exiting an imperial ship, the ewoks would see them as enemies, the same as the imperials. R2 and 3PO would have to be matted out of that shot until the ewok spies left, of course.
Cool. Just like a shadowy figure in the bushes that watches them and makes those Wicket growling noises as he watches them. Could add some early suspense for the audience too. The ewoks would certainly know the Imperial equipment by then too. Shuttles, Walkers, AT-STs would all be regarded as containing the enemy.
I think it would be good just for comedy factor, but plot wise - the Ewoks try to cook Han Solo & Luke and also tie up poor Artoo... I think that already suggests they dont like them.
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Okay, this has nothing to do with Ewoks...
Put together a short bunch of segments of the Boba Fett subplot that Bingowings mentioned HERE.
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Good but the cinematography is like videogame.
Nice to see the storyboards come to life!
Good job
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Davnes007 said:
Okay, this has nothing to do with Ewoks...
Put together a short bunch of segments of the Boba Fett subplot that Bingowings mentioned HERE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aOUYhUTUY
Bleedin brilliant, this seems actually doable now.
Boba Fett in ROTJ actually doing the job he was created to do and not dying like a clown.
I should point out though that Angel storyboarded it before I did.
really cool!
the only thing i'm skeptical about is it becoming distracting to the pace and plot of the film, BUT, hopefully the fim is going to be jumbled a bit anyway, so maybe if Fett is used as a way of moving the plot to certain locations, it could work perhaps?
what if the whole boba fett plotline was the opening 10 minutes of the film? it could be an alternative to vader going to the death star perhaps?
ben_danger said:really cool!
the only thing i'm skeptical about is it becoming distracting to the pace and plot of the film, BUT, hopefully the fim is going to be jumbled a bit anyway, so maybe if Fett is used as a way of moving the plot to certain locations, it could work perhaps?
what if the whole boba fett plotline was the opening 10 minutes of the film? it could be an alternative to vader going to the death star perhaps?
I initially thought that Boba Fett knows that Leia is going to spring Han (what does he care he has already been paid for Han) which gives a new explanation for the nod he gives her when she's in disguise (he might have even have helped Lando and Chewie in to sweeten the pot as John Cavil would put it).
So it need not disrupt the flow, events would play out pretty much as before only without Fett in the skiff battle and the handing over of the location co-ordinates would take the place of Yoda's death which now happens at the beginning of the film (either right at the beginning or after the Vader scene, whichever works best).
It also changes the meaning of "I hope it was worth the price we paid".
Very cool. But I wouldn't let the audience know from Vader that they'll be "waiting for them". Just enough to know Vader and Fett are involved.
Maybe fett could send the info rather than meeting up with the rebels? Might be more doable that way.
Still, freakin awesome!
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good point about Boba Bingowings. Why would he stick around Jabba's anyway? Have him do his thing and take off.
Brilliant
maybe in the morning shot of jabba's palace we see like in dave's video, boba's ship taking off and then during the establishing shot of the rebel armada we see slave one leaving one of the battle ship
That's certainly more practical. Good idea.
The only thing I wonder about though is if he met up with the rebels in person, wouldnt Chewie and leia want to take him out?
That's why the transmission seems more reasonable. Just have Vader tell him to send a transmission with the data. Makes Fett more slippery and cunning, IMHO.
Darth Piccolo said:maybe in the morning shot of jabba's palace we see like in dave's video, boba's ship taking off and then during the establishing shot of the rebel armada we see slave one leaving one of the battle ship
The scene takes place at night or really early in the morning, while it's still dark (just before Leia thaws out Han) so it would mean having to make a Jabba's Palace at night matte.
Pull out that Ralp McQuarrie Star Wars Universe book. In the Tatooine section is a really cool night shot of the palace. Simplify the concept(take out the people) and you have your basis for a matte.
Or better yet, use the existing matte, darken it and add lights.
Night palace sounds interesting!
Still Star wars begs for non recycled footages/scenes/mattes
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where is that?