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any thoughts on holographic people dotted around?

ben_danger said:

any thoughts on holographic people dotted around?

That would make sense with it being the flagship of a large fleet (certainly a lot more sense than having medical droids hanging around for no good reason).

I will try and work that into a mock up too.

Davnes007 said:

rcb said:

Davnes007 said:

rcb said:

...i've always assumed luke got to jabba's palace by a swoop bike...

[use the] scene in AOTC where anakin just takes off on the swoop bike from the lars homestead and [is] speeding along the terrain in the twilight, replace anakin with luke.

Something like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkBlpvFUjzg

 yea something like that. some of that might work good in the revisited edition, except for the first part. no offense.

lol...yeah, I guess pasting the head on could been done better.

 

rcb said:

btw, wat software do u use?

I use Sony Vegas Pro 8.0 , just like our main man Adywan.

 

vaderios said:

Hey man that is awesome!

I totaly agree with this idea!

-Angel

Thanx :) . rcb suggested it...I just made it.

i'll think of more later. some just for kicks. ;)

I'm encountering the same problem with working on the two Death Star scenerio.

What follows is very wordy but could be made sense of by just adding a few lines of dialogue into certain scenes like those in Jejerrod's, Piett's and Ackbar's control centres.

In ANH it's clearly stated that the original (and complete) Death Star defences were geared towards a large scale attack (presumably by capital ships).

Clearly these defences aren't complete on the Endor Death Star or they wouldn't need the shield (which is why I suggested that once the shield is down the best defence would be to move the Rebel fleet closer to the Death Star because then the super laser wouldn't be able to fire at them and the Imperial fleet would have to move in closer too creating more surface damage. The superlaser has been shown to need to be far away enough for the Death Star to target planets and ships but close enough to be in range so there would be a zone of relative safety (turbo lasers would only be able to do so much damage at close quarters and any ship destroyed would rain debris onto the station). The Rebels would have a mad dash to get out of the way as the reactor was wiped out but at least they would be safer up until that point.

With the a extra Death Star thrown in the problem if the unshielded (or surprise) Death Star had a full range of defences the capital ships (including the Executor) wouldn't stand a chance against it it would be picked off before got even close, this would make for a very short battle and a swift ending to the film. With the Rebels all gathered around the Endor moon I wouldn't put it past Palpatine to blow the planet up as soon as possible sacrificing an half completed Death Star and an Imperial fleet just to get rid of the Rebellion.

So it too would have to be uncomplete to some degree but it's edge would be it's mobility (it has operational drive systems, the one around the Endor moon does not).

So in that scenario the best defensive position for the Rebels would be to move closer to the Surprise Death Star (that way the initial Death Star wouldn't be able to fire without risking hitting the added one and as the fleets got closer it too wouldn't be able to fire because of the same reason as in the single Death Star set up).

So why doesn't the new new Death Star just jump into hyperspace when the battle isn't going to plan?

With a battle there should be a plan.

The plan in the theatrical version is to get the Rebels to attack what the think to be an anarmed station in what they think is a sneak attack, only to find they are trapped between the Imperial Fleet and an operational superlaser.

With two Death Stars the same rules would have to apply but on a larger scale.

The Endor Death Star can not move but the Rebel Fleet can so the Imperial fleet would be the defensive wall and the surprise Death Star would be the second jaw of a giant clamp.

It would shepherd the the Rebels closer to Endor Death Star by moving closer progressively closer itself.

In that instance the Endor Death Star wouldn't need to be any more than a remotely operated cannon (Jejerrod could control both from one control center).

It could be rigged that as soon as the shield is down that Death Star could automatically turn and target the moon (The resultant blast and debris would destroy the Rebels) and a coded signal would warn the Imperials to get out of the way.

This is where Lando's fast thinking upsets things in all three battle plans.

In the theatrical version he moves the Rebels closer to the Imperials (something they don't expect) which buys time for the Rebels on the moon to get the shield down so that's Lando cool grade C.

In the one Death Star but Lando dies scenerio he does the above, and rams the reactor Lando cool Grade B.

In the two Death Star and Lando dies scenerio he does both but he also totally throws the pincer plan as well. By moving closer to the fleet the Death Stars can't pick a target so they blow up their own ships (which leads Piett into self defensive mutiny).

I'm of the opinion that Piett on his own couldn't destroy a Death Star but he could knock out the drive systems of the Emperor's Death Star.

If it was already too close to the system to move out of the way if the dead man's switch fell when the shield went down, Jejerrod would have no option but destroy the Endor Death Star himself before it blew up Endor and himself in one blast.

So Lando, instead of dying destroying the Endor Station destroys the Emperor's station.

Between Lando and Piett two Death Star's are destroyed for the price of one and Lando get's the ultimate credit for throwing the Emperor's plan completely off.

That way Lando get's the Olympic Gold Medal of Coolness and we get a much more visually interesting space battle than we got in ROTS which is inkeeping with it being the final episode.

Just as the ground battle is thrown by the little people (something that the Emperor completely ignores), the space battle with all it's technology is thrown by the side-lined minor players, Lando, Piett, Jejerrod and Wedge and of these Lando is the key.

doubleofive said:

For those interested, I did a rough cut of Lando dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Am4g36Ugm8

Also tried some color correction.  So much fun!

 I like it. :)

This reminds me of some things that bugged me in ROTJ.

1. The guy who gets blown up at 0:58 in the above video looks like he's yawning. WTF?

2. When Lando says "That was too close" there's a very strange echo.

3. When Han asks Leia if she loves Luke, she says that she does but it looks like she expects Han to know that Luke is her brother. WTF?

loved the clip, i like how sudden the explosion is. i was wondering, if you chose to do a verison 2, inserting ackbars 'shocked' look that he has when the death star explodes, maybe so there is an on screen reaction to 'that blew up a bit quicker than i imagined'.

It's great work doubleofive but there is a key problem with it.

Why do the fighters go in with the Falcon in the first place?

One obvious answer is the more ships that go in the more chances they have of success, in that case why ram or bam the reactor with the Falcon with a larger crew than the fighters?

The next obvious answer is to protect the Falcon on it's way in but that doesn't hold up because the Imperial fighters are traveling in the same direction as the Rebels (all the Rebel guns are pointing the wrong way).

If they are there to protect the Falcon the Rebels should split up and creep up behind the Imperials and pick them off or wait until the Imperials are in the tube and come in after them.

The best option I can think of (because we all want fighters in that maze with the Falcon) is that the Falcon is critically damaged in the bump that takes out the communications disk (as in my earlier post), it's going to blow up anyway so Lando sends Wedge out and rams the reactor, getting the best use of a failing resource.

It would be great if someone made a really good Falcon interior (including the quad laser tubes) and film it burning.

Imagine all the flames licking through all those metal floor plates and the like.

It would really add tension to the scene.

It would also make it unneccessary to to have Billy Dee say that Falcon is too badly damaged because we can see it is.

The "Sorry" could be sampled from ESB and slightly modified ("They arrived just before you did").

a whole new sequence with them maybe rigging up the falcon as a bomb (deep impact) would be cool if we had an interior set. maybe if ady decides to redecorate his flat he could go for a more corellian theme?

ben_danger said:

a whole new sequence with them maybe rigging up the falcon as a bomb (deep impact) would be cool if we had an interior set. maybe if ady decides to redecorate his flat he could go for a more corellian theme?

A really good model would do (you could only see so much through flames anyway).

Having to watch the film in slow motion I was shocked to notice how poor the composites are in the film.

Wedge's see-through X-Wing is so bad it's amazing (as he spins around to vacate the reactor chamber).

all i can think of now, is ady retrofitting his flat to look lke the falcon, then breaking it to his family and neighbours that he needs to start a domestic fire for the purposes of a fan edit.

though you are correct bingo, im sure a model would work great. if we saw the falcon blow up, id like to see it in that traditional star wars burny death manner, of flames launching from behind the pilot, then we see the crumpled burning falcon crash somewhere.

personally id like to se the falcon just miss its exit. maybe a falling chunk of metal could just slam into it? they could be racing to the exit, adrenaline pumping for the audience as the falcon slowly gets surrounded by flames, then just as the near the exit, the tunnel ceiling collapses, and maybe the last thing we see is a giant piece of pipe from the perspective of the cockpit.

its probably not possible, but maybe within the endor celebration, someone could whisper into hans ear, then leia could ask "wheres lando", then han shakes his head or something.

ben_danger said:

all i can think of now, is ady retrofitting his flat to look lke the falcon, then breaking it to his family and neighbours that he needs to start a domestic fire for the purposes of a fan edit.

 

though you are correct bingo, im sure a model would work great. if we saw the falcon blow up, id like to see it in that traditional star wars burny death manner, of flames launching from behind the pilot, then we see the crumpled burning falcon crash somewhere.

 

personally id like to se the falcon just miss its exit. maybe a falling chunk of metal could just slam into it? they could be racing to the exit, adrenaline pumping for the audience as the falcon slowly gets surrounded by flames, then just as the near the exit, the tunnel ceiling collapses, and maybe the last thing we see is a giant piece of pipe from the perspective of the cockpit.

 

its probably not possible, but maybe within the endor celebration, someone could whisper into hans ear, then leia could ask "wheres lando", then han shakes his head or something.

Maybe Leia could just say "Lando" sampled from elsewhere (like she says "Luke" in ESB when he calls to her).

Leia has a funny way of delivering one word sentences (I get a kick out watching ESB when she just says "Stardestroyer").

We would need to find a shot where Leia is looking up in her Endor costume and her mouth is hidden to pull it off though.

doubleofive said:

Since we don't have shots of Billy Dee saying how the Falcon is too damaged to make the shot, we have to think of other alternatives. 

 What if there were alarms in the cockpit and/or flashing lights indicating there is a serious problem with hull.  Or maybe the additional crewman in the Falcon's cockpit could shout something about there being system malfunctions or a hull breach or something.  Nein Numb could also be re-subtitled to carry on a conversation with other crew in the back.