Davnes007 said:Davnes007 said:Here's a better version (?)
Now watch it in motion !!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWK8N0W7rQ
That's kinda what I was talking about; I wanted to see more of an effect from the explosion so it's not just BLAM! Hooray, it's over! Let's party!
Granted, it shouldn't be all long-winded like the New York destruction in KNOWING (or any number of similar Earth-Buys-It movies), but a little more time to show the effect of the destruction on Endor itself, such as:
(1) when the DS blows up, incorporating the comet impact from DEEP IMPACT (removing the comet itself) to show the clouds blowing away from the shockwave.
(2) when we see Han and Leia, taking the background element behind Elijah Wood and show the fragments raining down behind them as the sky is filled with falling debris burning up in the atmosphere. It doesn't have to be a plot complication or a secondary danger, but something to marvel at and savor.
Regardless, don't get me wrong Davnes. I really like what you've done so far to capture the concept. I just want to see the DS explosion interact with Endor more to give the explosion some greater weight; it doesn't have to destroy Endor or anything like that, just something to show that the DS isn't a separate element from the planet it is orbiting.
You know, is there the possibility of maybe having a scene where the Death Star eclipses the star that shines on Endor (if not do a Tatooine and show the star every so often)? Maybe that is how 3PO gets his godhood status; the Ewoks worship or fear the DS (ie like the eye of something watching down upon them), especially during eclipses, and 3PO sits up with a light (or the sun) behind him, giving him the same appearance. When Luke does his thing, have 3PO go higher than he does and a light generates behind him to give him a sillouette. Or just scrap that and have it that 3PO reflects the light and the Ewoks think he came FROM their sun.
Hmm, maybe you could have it so the Ewoks worship the sun and hate the (Death Star) because occasionally it blocks the sun out; thus, a way for the rebels to talk the Ewoks into helping them defeat the Empire is for the Ewoks to help them destroy what blocks their sun. And who doesn't want to destroy evil?
The 3PO thing may be too complicated to do (though the 3PO wood carving I think should DEFINITELY be done), and the inserted shot of the DS being eclipsed wouldn't necessarily be... well, necessary (unless that was the key to the Ewoks to start their attack; when the Great Eye is eclipsed and goes dark and can't see you anymore..).
Anyways, just some more thoughts to throw out there.
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Sluggo said:Thanks for that. The "hiding in a tree" is what made me suspicious, but it now that is shown to be a storage trunk and not a tree, it is all clear.
I don't think it's very clear either way.
Living in Scotland and surrounded by trees if someone said trunk to me I'd think tree, I'm more likely to think of a chest for a big box but then if you said chest to most Star Wars fans they'd possibly think of Carrie Fisher in a metal bra.
Monroville said:Davnes007 said:Davnes007 said:Here's a better version (?)
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Now watch it in motion !!!!!
(A) That's kinda what I was talking about; I wanted to see more of an effect from the explosion so it's not just BLAM! Hooray, it's over! Let's party!
[Show] effect of the destruction on Endor itself, such as:
(1) when the DS blows up,...show the clouds blowing away from the shockwave.
(2) when we see Han and Leia,...show the fragments raining down behind them as the sky is filled with falling debris burning up in the atmosphere. It doesn't have to be a plot complication or a secondary danger, but something to marvel at and savor.
Regardless, don't get me wrong Davnes. I really like what you've done so far to capture the concept. I just want to see the DS explosion interact with Endor more to ...show that the DS isn't a separate element from the planet it is orbiting.
(B) You know, is there the possibility of maybe having a scene where the Death Star eclipses the star that shines on Endor (if not do a Tatooine and show the star every so often)? Maybe that is how 3PO gets his godhood status; the Ewoks worship or fear the DS (ie like the eye of something watching down upon them), especially during eclipses, and 3PO sits up with a light (or the sun) behind him, giving him the same appearance. When Luke does his thing, have 3PO go higher than he does and a light generates behind him to give him a sillouette. Or just scrap that and have it that 3PO reflects the light and the Ewoks think he came FROM their sun.
Hmm, maybe you could have it so the Ewoks worship the sun and hate the (Death Star) because occasionally it blocks the sun out; thus, a way for the rebels to talk the Ewoks into helping them defeat the Empire is for the Ewoks to help them destroy what blocks their sun. And who doesn't want to destroy evil?
The 3PO thing may be too complicated to do (though the 3PO wood carving I think should DEFINITELY be done), and the inserted shot of the DS being eclipsed wouldn't necessarily be... well, necessary (unless that was the key to the Ewoks to start their attack; when the Great Eye is eclipsed and goes dark and can't see you anymore..).
Anyways, just some more thoughts to throw out there.
Thanx Monroville :)
(A) I'm not sure about the 'clouds blowing away' is really nessesary, because it is in space after all (hearing the Deathstar blow-up is already enough science-fiction, lol).
However, the debris falling from the explosion is something I'll give a go, maybe using footage from the end of ID4 (although any other thoughts are wlecome), where the pieces of the alien ships fall from the heavens.
(B) That is a wild idea that I may tackle in the future, but I need to have a clear idea of how I wanted to happen first. The eclipse/worship thing would be cool, but making it fit in might be deficult. As for the 3P0 carves go, I'll look into it...but no promises.
Anyway, keeps those ideas coming :D
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I wanted to place my mockup of the Threepio god into the story telling scene.
As a sort of spirtual coda, almost as if this event had sent ripples backwards in time through the Force that would turn up in the Ewoks myths (like a repeating meme).
It might be nice to have Threepio point to the sky and see the Death Star through the trees when he talks about Luke destroying the first one so that the Ewoks can place themselves into the story he is telling them.
I imagine Threepio to be an harvest God, an Autumn spirit, like the green man of myth but shifted up a season.
When the leaves turn gold it's time to store food for the coming of the winter.
Forest people don't tend to worship the sun because the tree line hides it, sun and star veneration tends to happen in deserts or in mountain plateau areas where you can get a good view of the sky.
Davnes007 said:Monroville said:Davnes007 said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWK8N0W7rQThat's kinda what I was talking about; I wanted to see more of an effect from the explosion so it's not just BLAM! Hooray, it's over! Let's party!
[Show] Han and Leia,...[with] fragments raining down behind them [in] the sky.... the debris falling from the explosion is something I'll give a go, maybe using footage from the end of ID4 (although any other thoughts are wlecome), where the pieces of the alien ships fall from the heavens.
I've been playing around with ways to do it, but it soon accured to me that the problem is the shot of Han & Leia is really close up, not leaving much room to show anything in the sky (nevermind using the footage from ID4).
The only way I can see of doing it, is to have a long shot of H&L, but a matte would be too abvious (?)...and I don't know what footage I could use to fill in the background. :(
I think I may be getting a little 'burnt-out' by the Deathstar explosion - time to fix something else...like the explosions of the AT-ST's during the ground battle (but not the ones in the space battle)------That last bit was joke, btw ;).
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About Lando's death planned by Adywan.
In some way the death of Lando, and so the destruction of the Falcon, not only will bring Lando character full circle (betrayal / then die for his friends) but it will also bring some kind of character development to Han Solo. It would be like the smuggler's life he always knew died that day.
I say go kill Lando and destroy the Falcon!
But we need some shots of people reacting to his death. It can't just be "Lando is dead. Okay, now forget about that, let's have a party". SO may I suggest something. If Adywan keep the final shots from the celebration across the galaxy, I'd very much like to see a statue of Lando being raised on Bespin. Kind of mirror the Emperor's statue fall.
I showed this to vaderios and I didnt realize he had a VERY similar picture already. I had missed it somehow. so as an apology to Vaderios I did the following...
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Nice shot! The only thing missing is that amber glow the a lightsaber adds to objects it slices.
I love the achievement Axia!'
And TMBTM, I think that maybe Ady can tweak everyone's facial expressions using his "cantina" technique to give them more solemness.
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doubleofive said:I love the achievement Axia!'
And TMBTM, I think that maybe Ady can tweak everyone's facial expressions using his "cantina" technique to give them more solemness.
Mmm, it could work. Even if it sounds a bit "Lucasish" to play with facial expressions of real actors.
I still think we need an explicite reference to Lando after his death. If not it would look a bit like a "plot hole". That's why I came up with the statue idea. It's "quite easy" to do (I think!), not much screen time, and dialogue free.
And a staute of Billy Dee Williams in any form is solid awesome.
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Taking from the SAVE LANDO!!!! thread (as this isn't an exclusively Adywan thread I've copied these contributions over so they may be worked on here as contributors see fit.
On killing Han instead (or as well):
Bingowings said:
I don't know how it could be done but an alternate take could be to kill Han in the Endor battle (so he never see's the Falcon again) and have Lando live and marry Leia (many, many years later).
That would make Harrison Ford happy, keep the cries of "You killed the only black character" at bay and what's more move him from the B list to the A list characters.
Killing Lando is more doable though....
DarkFather said:Lando sacrificing himself, I believe, would be superfluous. As Bingowings already mentioned, his redemption was putting himself on the line for months in order to save Han from Jabba. He was hanging around as a mole waiting to sabotage in one of the murkiest locations in the galaxy.
Only Han dying in the carbonite, which he obviously survived, would warrant Lando sacrificing himself at the Battle of Endor. I doubt Lando has much guilt left in his mind now that Han is rescued in no small part thanks to him.
That's why I vote that if we are going to have any of the heroes die in the final clash between Rebellion and Empire, it is better to have it be Han. To have rescued the rogue-turned-hero only to have him die soon afterward would add an extra sense of tragedy to the death.
In essence, they would have undertook a long, dangerous rescue mission just to have a few more precious days with their dear friend.
It's poetic.
InfoDroid said:
Han could be killed when the charges blow at the bunker. He could be swept up in the explosion that seems to level several city blocks.
doubleofive said:
Not bad, but if HAN died we'd REALLY need some reaction shots.
DarkFather said:
He has a funny feeling like he's never going to see her again.
And... if we take away the ropes holding Han's feet to the sand cruiser over the Sarlaac Pit... it could also act as a hint to Han being attuned to the Force.
Hmm. I still say Han dies, though. I'll try to pick a moment in the film when this can be done later. Expect greatness.
As for reaction shots, it could be something subtle. As when Luke is looking on at the ghosts, alter his expression slightly to reflect an underlying sadness. When Leia comes up behind him to beckon him over to the celebration, the alterations would need to be a lot more substantial... though at the same time not too hard to pull off: take away the broad smile, and replace it with a weaker smile to Luke that only lasts for a brief moment, while making it clear that she has tears running down her face.
Also, we could put a pire next to Anakin's for Han. It doesn't necessarily have to be a tradition exclusively for Jedi, but a tradition in honor of the greatest of heroes.
InfoDroid said:
He could fall into the Sarlaac with Boba. ;)
On killing off charchters other than Lando or Han :
BarBar Jinkx said:
I say kill em' all off, & let the emperor win! >;-)
focuspuller said:
What are you going to do next, kill Wedge?
BarBar Jinkx said:
Don't give him any ideas I love wedge!
EyeShotFirst said:
If you are gonna kill someone. go by the infinities approach and kill luke. I wouldnt mind seeing leia die. of course How in the fuck is it even possible to kill someone off of their importance. It will be a bitch and I garuntee that it will be even more of a bitch to blow up the 2nd death star without lando.
ben_danger said:
or maybe Luke dies, and Vader survives. at endor he gives Leia Luke's sabre before he self immolates on a pyre with his son.
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Kill Jar Jar. Dont kill Lando!!
The last one would be difficult to do in Jedi but not impossible.
And finally for changes not relating to character deaths :
TheoOdo said:
I always sort of guessed it would be something smaller that would still disregard the EU. Like, say, Leia not being Luke's sister?
I dunno', that's always seemed like the obvious choice to me.
Okay so this is my coolest Axia Edition post yet, in my opinion. What if Vader opened up Luke's Saber to check out just how he had made his saber?
Not recomended while the saber is on but Vader is a bad-ass.
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AxiaEuxine said:Okay so this is my coolest Axia Edition post yet, in my opinion. What if Vader opened up Luke's Saber to check out just how he had made his saber?
Not recomended while the saber is on but Vader is a bad-ass.
No, Axia, you're bad-ass. Awesome.
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YES! GO FOR IT! IMPRESSIVE
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that is a very nice idea, and not impossible to do either i shouldnt think!
vaderios said:YES! GO FOR IT! IMPRESSIVE
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You can get the sound effects from the Radio Drama when he builds the saber.
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Nice idea, Axia. Pretty creative. :)
doubleofive said:And a staute of Billy Dee Williams in any form is solid awesome.
Well I don't know if it's art...
I like it, but it pretty much has to be this pose:
I'll try it myself.
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I used that photo but getting it to look like a statue wasn't easy so I pinched from several statues to produce this Bling it might look better at Cloud City:
Here's my shot:
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Davnes007 said:Monroville said:Thanx Monroville :)
(A) I'm not sure about the 'clouds blowing away' is really nessesary, because it is in space after all (hearing the Deathstar blow-up is already enough science-fiction, lol).
However, the debris falling from the explosion is something I'll give a go, maybe using footage from the end of ID4 (although any other thoughts are wlecome), where the pieces of the alien ships fall from the heavens.
(B) That is a wild idea that I may tackle in the future, but I need to have a clear idea of how I wanted to happen first. The eclipse/worship thing would be cool, but making it fit in might be deficult. As for the 3P0 carves go, I'll look into it...but no promises.
Anyway, keeps those ideas coming :D
My angle is that something that BIG blowing up that close to Endor is going to cause a shockwave - the point being that there really isn't that big of an impact for something like the second Death Star getting blown up. This should be dramatic as possible to show that this was a big deal. To have it blow up in the sky like a giant firework is kinda.....underwelming.
I will work on some Photoshop images in the next few days to try to visualize what I'm talking about...
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While on the topic of Lando, a common complaint of ROTJ is that Lando's betrayal of Han in the previous movie is never really dealt with, or talked about. It's just glossed over, and they are all-of-a-sudden good friends again.
Of course, the most likely reason for this is that this is because Lando played a big part in rescuing Han from Jabba's Palace (by infiltrating the Palace, and previously tracking down the bounty hunter who escaped from Bespin with Han), and so Han is grateful for this. But in the film, we never really see Han acknowledge Lando's role in his rescue; this is just assumed (interestingly, in the cut 'landing-area-sand-storm-scene' after the Sail Barge resuce, Han does thank Lando, awkwardly and almost bitterly, and we can see somewhat of a reconciliation between the two characters).
I was thinking, though, that it may be possible to strengthen Han and Lando's character relations, and explain clearer why they are suddenly on good terms after such a monumental betrayal, by rearranging some dialogue in two key scenes.
Immediately after the Sail Barge rescue, there is a space shot of the Falcon and Luke's X-Wing leaving Tatooine. Here, Han thanks Luke for his role in the rescue operation:
HAN (over comlink)
Hey, Luke, thanks. Thanks for comin' after me. Now I owe you one.
What I'm thinking is, would it not be possible to trim this to just 'Hey, Luke, thanks. Now I owe you one'? Maybe by inserting a pause in between the two sentences (and this could even make Han's appreciation pack a greater emotional punch), and, if necessary, by employing certain audio edits if the inflection of the statements needs amended?
By doing this, we can then take the cut statement ('Thanks for comin' after me') and insert it into the 'Han-and-Lando-in-the-Rebel-Hangar' scene from slightly later on in the film. In this way, Han would appear to be thanking Lando, specifically, and we could understand that he has forgiven him for his previous misdeed due to the act of bravery and loyalty he showed in 'comin' after' him. Because of the pauses, and sheepish nature of that scene (with Han worried about giving the Falcon to Lando), it might not be overly problematic to effectively insert this audio line in somewhere. For example, right at the end of their conversation, before they part ways:
LANDO
Look, would you get going, you pirate.
Han and Lando pause, then exchange salutes.
This could become:
LANDO
Look, would you get going, you pirate.
Han and Lando pause.
HAN
[Hey]...Thanks...for comin' after me.
Then they exchange salutes.
Notice here that I'm changing the inflection slightly with some minor pauses, and maybe even lifting an appropriate 'hey' from Han (he says this word numerous times throughout the trilogy, including in ROTJ, so it hopefully shouldn't be too hard to find the right one) to initiate the thanks. This way, we get a a better resolution on the betrayal-redemption-gratitude-forgiveness arc of these characters' story.
The only issue I can see is, Han's dialogue is heard over a com-link in Luke's X-Wing, and so sounds a little quiet and slightly garbled. But sufficient audio editing could solve this problem, I'd imagine.
