Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 340

aalenfae said:

I was actually just recently wishing that somebody would get a hold of some good Ewok costumes and edit in some more dark ewok battle scenes. 

The contents of my wallet are humble, as of late and into the foreseeable future. But I do have an "entertainment budget", you could call it.

I'd donate money to help your idea happen. The scene has to be of utmost quality to sync with the film, so this big goal will consume money, time, and energy in startling degrees. But if done right, it'll have been worth it.

Tack said:

Yeah, I get that. I guess I'm just too opposed to Ewoks in general.

I level with you there.

It's a shame we can't go with your plans from the How would you have handled Episode VI (6)? thread: forget Ewoks; Stormtroopers versus uniformed Rebels; Leia saves the day.

Do the ewoks have to defeat the stormtroopers? or could they just momentarily distract them for the rebels to break free and fight their way to the bunker?

Yeah, the Ewoks don't need to WIN, per se. And in the first few seconds of the battle - where they play mainly a diversion role -  I'd say they're fairly well-handled.

But for the rest of the time, I think instead of editing the super-effective and somewhat unbelievable traps out of the film, competent Ewok warriors can be edited in. They don't need to defeat the stormtroopers, but maybe we can at least see them as fairly capable. And not invincible. Only one or two Ewoks die on-screen, which makes them feel otherwise invincible, which is the main problem, I guess. 

 

Another gripe with Ewoks is how much they take over in the finale of the film. If we left them behind (and avoided the party on Endor) it might feel a little less imposing.

SSWR made a neat mockup aaaaages ago -

SSWR ROTJ ENDING

I like a lot of things in that mock up...

I think it is more or less nailed it with the fleet leaving endor as the way to go and cut the celebrations galaxy hopping.

Although I would shave that back a lot more.

The problem with ROTJ ending is that it tries to wrap everything into a neat bow and it really takes away from the ending that approach and does not leave any scope for life goes on. the mock up fixes a lot of that problem.

Just need some new celebration music and original ghost or no ghost.

The problem with the ghosts is that they fade Anakin in afterwards he should be there from the very start with Ben and Yoda if he appears. It was a bad idea and comes across as an after thought either they all show up together or only Ben and Yoda.

Ronster said:

The problem with the ghosts is that they fade Anakin in afterwards he should be there from the very start with Ben and Yoda if he appears. It was a bad idea and comes across as an after thought either they all show up together or only Ben and Yoda.

He's a new arrival to the light side of the after-life.......having him fade in after the others creates a slight moment of "oh, I guess he didn't make it".....and then relief upon finding out that he has. It's not an afterthought.....it was very intentional.

Yes intentional, I am just wondering what it would look like if the ghosts all showed up at the same time :)

rather than fashionably late to the party.

Putting Anakin in the middle might also help convey that he is with them... A little re-arrangement... It's worth playing about with just to see what this does.

Ronster said:

Yes intentional, I am just wondering what it would look like if the ghosts all showed up at the same time :)

rather than fashionably late to the party.

Putting Anakin in the middle might also help convey that he is with them... A little re-arrangement... It's worth playing about with just to see what this does.

I disagree......Anakin SHOULD show up late....makes it seem less like he got an easy admittance to the after-life. He had to pay with his life and we are left to wonder (even if only for a few seconds) if even THAT is going to be enough. I'd argue the same for putting him in the middle. It shouldn't seem like he's just one of the group....he SHOULD be a bit of an outsider. They all look at eachother and smile....that's enough.

I honestly believe he does not need to be there as a ghost... Although he is from the original without trying to sound radical It really is not needed.

And the whole swapping ghosts has made it worse I think.

May as well have this for the next official iteration as It is the only incarnation left

Just for kicks

Ronster said:

I honestly believe he does not need to be there as a ghost... Although he is from the original without trying to sound radical It really is not needed.

The overall story of SW 1-6 is the rise, fall and ultimate redemption of Anakin Skywalker......if he's not there at the end then it was all pointless.

Do you think that a good side ghost of him is the redemption?

I don't think that is the redeeming moment... It is when he says "tell your sister you were right about me."

And saving Luke

The ghost is like I said wrapping the neat bow around it all... If anything it's over sentimental but I think messing around with it has made it a lot worse.

The Ghost...It's like a window to what Vader would have been if he were not Darth Vader Tortured soul that he was. But we already saw him come out of the evil trance like state he was in under the control of the emperor. He was neither a Jedi or a particularly good person but he did the right thing in the end for the love of his family.

Ronster said:

Do you think that a good side ghost of him is the redemption?

I don't think that is the redeeming moment... It is when he says "tell your sister you were right about me."

And saving Luke

The ghost is like I said wrapping the neat bow around it all... If anything it's over sentimental but I think messing around with it has made it a lot worse.

The redeeming moment is when he destroys Palpy at the cost of his own life.....everything afterwards is just wrap-up.....but it IS needed as it is the end of Anakin's story. We see that he gave his life.....and then we see that in doing so he earned himself a place in the afterlife. It's more than just a neat bow....it's a part of Anakin's narrative.

Ok Muddy heres another combination...

How about Anakin Ghost first and then Yoda and Ben join him?

That might work really well that Anakin wants to see Luke again and that Ben and Yoda show up with him after he appears.

I also think that honestly this could make it less sentimental and more heartfelt.

How about that link in my signature!?  It's perfect! ;)

Ronster said:

Ok Muddy heres another combination...

How about Anakin Ghost first and then Yoda and Ben join him?

That might work really well that Anakin wants to see Luke again and that Ben and Yoda show up with him after he appears.

I also think that honestly this could make it less sentimental and more heartfelt.

Seems like you're just keen to change it....to ANYTHING other than what it is now. It works just fine as it is.....but before or after....I see it serving much the same purpose as it does now.

Why on Earth is Hayden there!!!

Yes keen to play with that one... and explore the possibilities

Ronster said:

Why on Earth is Hayden there!!!

You'll get no argument from me on Hayden having no business in that scene. But aside from that it works just fine.