Sluggo said: Anyone feel like making a mock-up of the rebel briefing with holographic images of the two death stars?
The second DS is supposed hidden.
-Angel
vaderios said:Interesting... i never saw the forest color correction as a saturation boost.
Ok next time i will tone the things down a bit ;P
-Angel
Edit:
1st Frame: my color corection
2nd Frame: Desaturation -25%
3d Frame: Desaturation -35%
4th Frame: Desaturation -40%
5th Frame: Original
i still prefer the first really. i didnt mean oversaturation, more 'unnatural' but your pieces seem to work well, i think what i meant was that AOTC wa a bit crude.
vaderios said:Interesting... i never saw the forest color correction as a saturation boost.
Ok next time i will tone the things down a bit ;P
-Angel
Edit:
1st Frame: my color corection
2nd Frame: Desaturation -25%
3d Frame: Desaturation -35%
4th Frame: Desaturation -40%
5th Frame: Original
I thought your original was a bit too green, but I like the 40 or 35 the best in this line up. Much better than 2004!
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vaderios said:Ripplin said:Yes, there's a fine line between good looking color and AOTC color. Haha. That's one movie a lot of people want to see toned down for sure.
Sure :P I got your point ;)
-Angel
Yes, I hope you don't take the comments the wrong way. In fact, some of my favorite stuff you've done are the color correction/desaturation on the big battle in AOTC. :)
Ripplin said:vaderios said:Ripplin said:Yes, there's a fine line between good looking color and AOTC color. Haha. That's one movie a lot of people want to see toned down for sure.
Sure :P I got your point ;)
-Angel
Yes, I hope you don't take the comments the wrong way. In fact, some of my favorite stuff you've done are the color correction/desaturation on the big battle in AOTC. :)
Yep. Its like the one needs some color and the other needs to drop color.
You have to get balance ;)
-Angel
Well Saturated or not i love the second pic :P
It adds to this silly scene a bit of something else...
-Angel
love the beams!
That is awesome! The light coming through the trees is perfect. I hope the final project looks like that!
I also enjoyed all of the green forest shots you did. I do like the first frame of the one with the ewok. Also, the other set you did was fantastic. There were two of them IMO that seemed 'over-green' though.
Yeah the lightbeams seems to work and blend the morning feeling.
Also i have the idea when the shuttle going to land and we see the establishing shot of the forest i though to make a new matte that is little more interesting. Meaning maybe more big trees, the generator in the distance, lakes maybe..
What do you propose that it fits to Endor and will be good and star wars like to be in the matte?
Anyways: i made one quick
-Angel
Fantastic! I like that a lot more. It's more 'foresty'. I can't really think of anything else that could be put in besides more trees. I guess a moon or something could be added but it's not really neccesary. Perhaps little lights on the shield generator. Or would that even be noticable during the day time?
a moon with a moon! i guess it is possible.
ben_danger said:a moon with a moon! i guess it is possible.
It is possible but I'd hate to figure out the orbital situation of a moon with a moon getting a new metal moon (or two).
Thank heavens that Star Wars isn't science fiction.
Here's another possible change.
R2's jets are seen as a problem in the prequels as he doesn't have the in OT but to fair he has very little cause to except possibly here:
That would allow R2 this useful feature in the past and avoid the rather dumb inclusion of a previously unseen magnetic sucker on the skiff being used when the main cast would more likely be keen to get away from the big explosion about to happen.
would it be worth just making endor a planet?
ben_danger said:would it be worth just making endor a planet?
Not really it makes more sense giving Endor a planet to be a moon of that way you can have an another interesting alien object in the sky and not need to change all those references to a forest or sentry moon in the dialogue.
I suggested some posts back a green ringed gas giant quite far away from the moon to contrast the big orange ringless one filling up the sky of Yavin IV in ANH.
Vaderios, like the shield generator in the new matte - but it just looks so ... blurry... right now. Just some C&C.
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bkev said:Vaderios, like the shield generator in the new matte - but it just looks so ... blurry... right now. Just some C&C.
I think its blurry to show that the camera is moving along with the ship. I'm imagining the camera panning up from the trees to see the generator in the distance, then the shuttle flies past the camera.
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doubleofive said: I think its blurry to show that the camera is moving along with the ship. I'm imagining the camera panning up from the trees to see the generator in the distance, then the shuttle flies past the camera.
Yep, That is correct. I like the idea of the camera pans a bit so we can have a more dramatic approach and more overlaps.
As for the generator lights in the day lights thought it is too much.
Maybe in some mattes later to change the time so it will not all the time blue sky and to add a more dramatic feeling.
-Angel
I'm really enjoying your Endor redos Vaderios, they look great.
It might be nice to see my ringed world in your blue skies.
Does anyone have Ralph McQuarrie's production paintings of the Sarlacc pit battle (I'm specifically thinking about the one with a smaller sail barge on the other side of the big one... it made the scene look more like a maritime pirate scene)?
Here a more...morning shot. I added the missing AT-AT.
-Angel
vaderios said:Here a more...morning shot. I added the missing AT-AT.
-Angel
There are some very pretty pictures to be played with when you google "forest sunrise" (which sounds like a house paint blend or a hippy's child name).
This one is a corker :
ben_danger said:a moon with a moon! i guess it is possible.
Haha, I meant a planet acting as a moon to Endor.
darthmunky said:ben_danger said:a moon with a moon! i guess it is possible.
Haha, I meant a planet acting as a moon to Endor.
Planets go around stars and moons go around planets, you can't have a planet going around a moon.
As posted above you can have moons with moons the orbital mechanics involved are weird, especially with the Death Star factored in but that's Ok because it Star Wars and not Science Fiction so it doesn't have to work scientifically.
The question you want to ask is why?
If it's to make the sky look more interesting I can't help but think it would make more sense to give the moon of Endor an interesting planet to be the moon of rather than giving a moon a moon which isn't refererred to once in the film.
Moons have to go around a planet rather than directly go around a star on it's own, it can be any size and have an atmosphere but it needs to go around a planet. Though it isn't necessary for Star Wars, in terms of planets we know about an Earthish sized moon with an atmosphere would have to go around a gas giant and be far away enough from it to not be ripped appart by the mass of the planet (in the EU the planet Endor was lost and only the moon remains but that doesn't make sense, that would make the moon not a moon anymore).
It would also have to be near a star which used to be thought to be a problem as in our Solar System the gas giants are all relatively far away from the sun and it was generally assumed to be the case with most stella systems. We have recently discovered gas giants orbiting other stars very closely indeed (not that this is necessary for Star Wars but it adds a bit of colour to my explanation).
So for the forest moon to work scientifically (not that it has to) you would need a large gas giant close to a star with a forest moon orbiting it from a safe distance (ergo my green ringed gas giant).
The forest moon's nearest Solar cousin is Saturn's moon Titan :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)
If it was as close to the sun as the Earth it could possibly support human life but that would mean moving Saturn nearer to the sun too.
Here's a nice artistic representation of what Titan looks like in it's current position :
Having a moon going around the moon adds a whole level of complexity (scientifically speaking, compounded by having the Death Star going around it as well).
But really we don't have to worry about that sort of thing, just ask does it make narrative sense and does it look interesting those are Star Wars sort of questions.
If you stick a larger yellow sun and a forest into the above picture of Titan you get a general idea what a ringed Endor looks like from it's forest moon.
It would be nice to use some of Ralph McQuarrie's other skiff designs to make the skiff battle a bit more like a maritime pirate battle.
Once again please excuse the crudity of this mock up I can't find his paintings so I'm having to drop in roughly coloured in versions of his line drawings.
You kidding me? I like it ! Can it be done?
-Angel
vaderios said:You kidding me? I like it ! Can it be done?
-Angel
He will join us or die my master...opps!
If someone can build and film the model why not?
Nothing is impossible just by various degrees more difficult.
Another experiment with eyelid addition.
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