Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 281

then place it after Yoda died, that way yoda's protection over the place is gone!

Another take:

Start with Luke in the cave (altered to look like Dagobah) finishing his lightsabre.  No Vader, just him.  Keep the lightsabre off to keep the reveal when he activates it at the Sarlaac pit.  Cut to outside the tree (from a shot in EMPIRE), camera pans up to star field, slowly rotates 180%, and camera comes down to 3P0 and R2 approaching Jabba's palace.

This could add implication that there are other Siths after Luke (being that you can't tell too well if it is Luke under the hood) or Luke has been completing his training since the 3 to 5 years since EMPIRE ended, as well as his planning of rescuing Han as his "final" per se.

One of my biggest problems with JEDI is the editing and the pacing.  There is really no need for Vader's scene in the beginning, as the Emperor arrives later and we once again see the Death Star 2.  Vader is still introduced when he meets the Emperor, and you would be able to cut out one more Imperial shuttle landing.  By starting the movie on Tatooine (or with the short Dagobah prologue), you jump right into the movie from where the characters were planning on going to at the end of EMPIRE, as well as essentially start the movie with the 2 robots that... well, started the first story.  This also saves the DS2 reveal for after Jabba's story is completed

Interesting, looks really cool. Maybe if you added a little bit more feather to the mask, so that the edge of the shadow isn't so pronounced, it would look even better.

TML said:

Also, someone please remove C-3PO's "Ric Olié" dialogue, like "Theres Captian Solo, and he's still frozen in Carbonite". Those lines are just painful to listen too....

ChainsawAsh said:

Here's how I see the whole Executor dive-bombing the Death Star thing would have to work.  I think this could all be done using available footage, and a HELL of a lot of new effects footage.  (It does, however, significantly affect the story of the space battle, but doesn't affect the Luke/Vader/Emperor or Endor sections at all - though I'd love for the Endor section to be significantly changed, as well.)

First, it needs to be made clear that the Rebels really don't have a plan for how to destroy the new Death Star.  They just know that they need to before it's finished, or they're well and truly fucked.  (Demonstrated from the opening shot, which is now of the Executor being completely fucking dwarfed by the DSII, just before Vader's shuttle leaves to enter the Death Star and give Jerjerrod his pep talk.)

Basically, the bit of a plan they have is that they disable the shield on Endor, then pummel the fuck out of it and hope that they can find a way to blow it up.

Unfortunately, they didn't count on it being a trap, and are taken by surprise when the turbolaser starts destroying their fleet.  Now they're completely desperate, and move the fleet as close to the Death Star as possible, to try to avoid the turbolaser.  The Star Destroyers - including the Executor - follow.  The Rebel ships (I mean the big ones, the fighters are busy trying to fend off the TIE fighters) are using their laser batteries to try and hit the Death Star on one side and the Star Destroyers on the other (think Battlestar Galactica-style gun batteries, but with lasers, or like the opening of ROTS for a Star Wars example).  Nothing is making a dent in the Death Star, and the Rebels are down to their last few ships, which are dropping like flies.

Lando has the idea to drive a ship into the Death Star to punch a hole open, and since the Executor is closest (and biggest), he heads for that.  Instead of the A-Wing blowing up the bridge, the Falcon does it (not by crashing).  Or it could disable the shields, then other fighters take it out.  Or something.

So, the Executor tumbles into the Death Star, since it wasn't outright blown up like the rest of the big ships.  Instead of it causing a huge fireball with no damage, it crumbles into the structure,causing a large section to cave in.  Lando uses this to punch through to the core.

Now, what I'd like to see here is Lando trying to destroy the core, failing, then deciding to sacrifice himself (and the Falcon) by diving into the core to destroy the station, but I don't think there's enough footage to sell this sacrifice properly, so I guess that one's out of the question.

I dunno, what do you guys think, could this legitimately be done?  I feel it'd help improve latter part of the film significantly.  As it stands, I just don't care about the space battle, as I never really feel that the rebels are in that much danger or that they're taking any real losses.

That is an interesting idea.  However such a revision is really outside of the scope of what Adywan has achieved with ANH-R and soon with ESB-R.

The Adywan edits do not change the storyline - or even the pacing of the originals.  If anything Adywan's Edits are what the SE's SHOULD have been, but weren't.

The enhancements to Jedi ought to be to either dress-up what effects work was not possible in 1982-83, fix continuity and other issues in conjunction with the rest of the saga and add elements that complete and flesh out sequences that require some logical flow and/or were part of the original novels, drafts or screenplays.  Adywan has already shown the way, and I hope he continues with that vision.

With that in mind, one sequence that does truly open itself up for enhancement and completion IS the Executor battle sequence and destruction.

As others have already hinted, right after Akbar instructs the fleet to "Concentrate all firepower on that Super StarDestroyer" - it would be interesting to see a new sequence that revolves around the Executor's destruction.  

A dream 'wish' would be to see Home One and other Rebel Capital ships taking up positions to volley battery fire with the Executor.  Of course, at that point it would be good to see several Rebel ships; Nebulon B's and some other medium sized ships getting destroyed rather easily by Vader's flagship.

Of course, that's the diversion as a squadron of B-wings rotate and zoom on down to blast the conning towers with ion cannon blasts followed by Green Leader and his wingman in A-wings who blow apart the Bridge shield generator.

The interior of the Executor bridge would continue as filmed with Piett commanding the crew to "Increase the forward batteries, I don't want anything to get through".

New shot of Executor batteries tracking and blasting a few B-wings while incoming cannonade fire from a rebel capital ship again provides support. (This shot could replace the bad X-wing superstructure shot).

The two A-wings could then be seen zipping in close to superstructure, curving in tight to distract the gunners from the B-wings.  As they curve around to target the bridge, Green Leader's wingman is destroyed - and Green Leader is hit, causing his fighter to spin wildly.

Continue with the existing bridge sequence of Piett  "Intensify forward firepower!" and Green leader screaming (with smoke and sparks in the cockpit needed) and "Too Late!".

Then the big efx work is needed.

Enhancement of A-wing through bridge and explosion.

The shots of Ackbar on Home One with the Executor diving are good as they are.

But the following sequence needs efx work - and that would be the long shot of the Executor dive towards the surface, followed by a close up of the bow slamming into the surface and careening THROUGH the DSII exterior.  I do not know if a ripple shudder emanating from the impact crater can be realized through the DSII surface at the same angle.

Camera track the continuous cascade of the Executor crushing into the surface and panning up as interior explosions rip up through the Executor's interior.  A pyrotechnic's nirvana if skilled demolition artists wanted to play with sections of the Executor blasting loose and away falling towards the surface.

Then a similar long shot of the SSD as the interior explosions reach up to the engines - and then - NOVA.  A titanic flash - ala space nuke, perhaps giant sections raining down on DS II surface.

Then max long shot of DSII in eclipse behind Endor, space battle in tiny specks to one side and a bright flare on the edge surface of DSII marking the demise of the Executor.

Sounds simple - but I know it's not.

The plus side of this is, like the Dogfight in ANH-R, it can be achieved mostly by CGI model shots.  Plus it doesn't distract from original story flow, it just adds and perhaps makes the battle in Jedi, more incredible than the opening battle in ROTS.

Because that's always going to bother me.

ON scanning this incredibly lengthy thread - there's some intriguing ideas and also out-of-sight ideas and other concepts that truly take what Adywan has accomplished with ANH-R and ESB-R and takes it into an edit bash that would sorely hurt what he has done already.

We love the OT, even if Jedi is the weakest - but I'm certainly not liking ideas that change the storyline, pacing and major changes that alter the actual plot.

• The idea of TWO Death Stars is so far removed from what exists, it changes the entire strategy of the Rebel assault, and saddles Adywan with nearly remaking Jedi.

• Moving the encounter with Ben on Dagobah to Tatooine is also totally out of chronology and would lessen the emotional impact of Leia being 'the other'.

If anything, the deleted extended conversation with luke would be interesting to see - but changing location and timing would harm the storyline.

• Fett's demise.

I don't like the idea of Fett being excised from the film.  The fact Fett is at Jabba's Palace, always relayed to me that the Hutts were expecting a rescue attempt.  Fett had to learn who Leia was and why Vader was so interested in "Skywalker" as I'm sure he wondered what profit angle there could be in nabbing him.  I'm also sure Fett would have learned they escaped from Bespin, and he would logically expect some attempted rescue, even as he delivered Han to Jabba.

Jedi showcases the fact that Jabba was indeed expecting a rescue attempt. Jabba knew Boushh was a ruse - as they were waiting behind curtains.   Having Fett there would have been insurance for Jabba's safety.

As to Fett's demise - in the style of ANH-R, all that is needed is some minor model reshooting and efx.

Fett's landing on the skiff was an iconic moment in Jedi.  The sound of the jetpack alone was way cool.  The look in Luke's face, priceless.  I think the scene should exist as it is up until Luke cuts the bolo rope.

It's at this point an addition could take place, and that would be a shot of Luke from the back, with saber down to his left as the rope he just cut falls from his body - and in a quick upper slash to his top right, have Luke nail Fett in the helmet - at the same time the bolt from the barge hits the skiff.  Have helmet sail off and Fett's body fall over the side away from Luke.  Adywan could then pick up the shot where the body of Fett lands in the sand and rolls into the Sarlaac (you do not see the helmet at all in the existing shot - just the rolling armor and body).

Cut back to Luke reacting to blaster fire from the other skiff and continue the scene with Luke jumping from his skiff. There is enough ambiguity there for the speculation as to whether or not Luke beheaded him like Jango, or simply cut his helmet off.  

Fett's demise in this manner would be quicker, and more brutal on the level of Mace Windu's dispatching of Jango WITHOUT raising it to the level of silliness - and would also be a nice tie in for Boba to suffer a similar fate as his old man.  It also raises Luke's skills to be near those of Mace's in terms of dispatching non-Jedi.

Most of all, this is probably the easier path for Adywan to take outside of deleting Fett from the story completely, which I think would be a bummer since Jedi should tie everything up - all of it's villains dispatched.

Plus it would be in keeping with the original storyline.

JMHO

ChainsawAsh said:

 

Please remember that this is NOT an Adywan-exclusive thread.  This thread is for ideas for ANYONE who has plans to edit Jedi.

 

 

My bad.  I did not realize that.

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