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i just can't get over the new Endor projection
It looks amazing!!!!!!! :)))
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I dont know who said about luke has his saber on on the rails..
So here it is and here is the reasons that cant be done..
In the close ups the hilt facing in front of his face..Un less a crop..
When he passes the pylon the hilt faces the pylon,so it should be cutted in half...
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I read the double image wrong for a split second creating a interesting effect.
I saw the elevator tube at the bottom of the original picture connecting with the one on the bottom of your mockup giving me the idea of raising the ceiling higher so the gantry connected to the new higher ceiling via longer struts.
You'd then be free to remove the ceiling from this shot and show more of the throne room space behind.
Naturally it would mean having to alter every shot with the ceiling in but it would make the space more open and less blocked off in shots like this one.
The walkway also looks a bit bowed to me (or is it a trick of perspective?).
Does that walkway have any connection to the stairs (my memory is getting a bit shaky these days)?
If not how are non Jedi meant to use it?
Where does it actually go?
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Scenario 2
Show an onscreen deactivation because the saber suddenly goes off
(stylised deactivation)^_^
Also something i noticed.. The rail behind luke was ALREADY broken..convenient? or just the emperor had foreseen it?
The previous mockup shows it too but i hadnt fix it :S
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Well spotted that man!
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Marcos_Edson said:
Rogue Leader said:
When DS2's superlaser destroyed the MC80 class star cruiser "Liberty" (the first star cruise destroyed), I think the beam should go right through the ship and it's concussive energy of the hit should vape it's escorts (the frigate and the corvette that are next to it) and maybe some starfighters too. I always thought that only one ship got hit and nothing happens to the ships around it was kinda odd and it would show the crazy power of the superlaser.
I see your point and I´m not against it although I don´t think that having the beam "stopping" after hitting the Liberty looks bad; afterall, the imperials would have adjusted it for a small target... On the other hand, if we think about the estimated size of the DSII and how big those laser beams must be... having such a weapon used on a trivial target as a cruiser looks an awful waste of energy... :D
Having the Liberty´s escorts being destroyed as well makes sense; if not the DS laser itself the explosions of the Liberty alone should destroy the corvette and fighters and at least damage the frigate. Actually, back in the day, shockwave damage by nearby exploding craft was one of the few cool additions to the X-Wing Alliance game... And as a somehow related piece of trivia, if editing a mission and have the DSII fire at a Super Star Destroyer in the game, it would oddly take several shots to destroy it; but if the shot went THROUGH the SSD when firing at another target, the SSD would be destroyed immediately, in a way achieveing the effect suggested in Rogue Leader´s post... :)
I have X-wing Alliance... I guess I should of actually played all of it. Did beat X-wing and TIE Fighter. Should really install it and beat the crap out of it now that I have PC that can run it but I need a new stick. =P
Anyway, that's an neat tidbit of trivia. I like it! =D Overall I think a weapon meant for blowing up entire planets would take out any ship at Endor in one shoot if not several ships all at once. In fact the beam should be rather larger as well now that I think about it... I mean you look at one of the individual beams from one superlaser elements in that tunnel and that tunnel is HUGE. When those beams converge at the focusing point of the superlaser that beam form has to be even bigger.
As for the Bothan thing... the actress who portrayed Mon Mothma when reading the line saying "Many Bothans died to bring us this information". She said she felt that the tone was to make note of a great sacrifice this particular group made on behalf of the Alliance. Not single anyone out in a negative way. She had no idea what Bothans were but she understood it was a matter of sacrifice and sorrow for that sacrifice they had made. It was not a stab at being biased. I mean, you can say "many people died in the earthquake in Haiti" for example, but it's not as powerful in all reality as saying "many Haitians died in that earthquake". It draws peoples focus on the particular group to draw an emotional tie of sorrow and is symbolic for drawing strength to help this particular group. The Rebel Alliance is all about such symbols of sacrifice, honor, and loyalty.
I did see the elements for not having Boba Fett in certain scenes and this side story for him selling information to the Rebel Alliance... Umm... I can safely say it's an interesting idea but it's never gonna happen. It deviates FAR too much from the orginal film and I can also blow many holes in this as well from an EU perspective. However, I'm avoiding such an EU contest cos it's not productive. lol... However, it would make for an interesting alternate universe story though. =D
Oh! I wanted to post another idea/wish for B-wings. =D In the b-wing's standard cruise mode the B-wing flies on it's side (like the Falcon). In attack mode the hull rotates around the cockpit as it's s-foils locks in attack position. I would LOVE to see that as the fleet arrives at Endor and a whole bunch of B-wings hulles rotate downward as their cockpit stays stationary and the s-foils lock in attack position. That would be such a stunning visual and accurate to how B-wings operate (first 8 seconds of this video illustrates what the heck I'm talking about):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxMqrq1pdVg
And this video at timestamp 0:22:
The impossible is what Rogues do best...
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Considering that any of these make sence it still cool to see ;)
Take inspiration from space cinematography from various movies ;)
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Seeing as many editors (including Ady) don't see contradiction with the EU as a problem (by definition none of the EU is seen on screen) that in of itself is not an impediment to anything ever happening in a fan edit.
The only real impediments are the effort needed to make it happen and if the change actually works within the context of the films.
Neither are impediments to it ever happening but one reduces the probability greatly and the other is subjective and dependent on how well it is accomplished.
Much of the EU is contradicted by or has to do cartwheels to reconcile itself with the films as it is.
ROTJ has many problems that go beyond the visuals and the treatment of Fett is a major one (as is the daft death of Yoda in the current cut).
In it's way it's as problematic as the prequels in terms of story so altering and shifting story points isn't as big a deal for me as doing major surgery on the story of ANH or ESB.
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Hi folks!
Long time visitor to this site but only posted here as Nerfherder once before. Have to say the work on display here is absolutely awsome, as well as the imagination at work by just about everyone! I only wonder how long it will be before sequals to Star Wars are made BY fans as the standard of work here is so stunning...
I have yet to read all 251 pages of this thread (I'll save that for the week!) but YEARS back (1997 in fact, after seeing the SEs in London at the cinema!) I had the following idea over a pint or two with a mate for the ending of Jedi. He loved the idea, and I thought it might be of potential interest to some here. If not feel free to ignore it haha! I original posted under the name of seventiesfilmnut on here a few years back, and this idea is also buried in one of Adywan's threads.
Anyways, on with the idea then: I never liked the fact that something as HUGE as the Super Star Destroyer could simply lose control and crash into the Death Star (AWFUL explosion isn't it!) just because of one suicidal rebel pilot! So, I proposed the following:
What if it looks like the Empire is winning the battle. Chewie and Lando have taken a shot at the reactor, but it only destroyed a PART of it - not the whole. It needs something bigger to take it out for good, and therby destroy the Death Star II. Luke is sitting with Vader after the Emperor has been bested.
Perhaps Vader - as a last gesture of repentance, and of reconciliation with Luke (and not to mention the Good Side) raises his remaining gloved fist, concentrates (can use the shot of his death for this perhaps? - eyes closed etc, just keep the sound FX of him breathing obviously lol!) - we then FADE OUT to a shot of the Executor, perhaps hands moving in slow mo on a control console? We then have a fade in of the exterior of the Executor superimposed with Vader's face, as he wills the Ship/pilot into the superstructure of the Death Star II, thereby creating a huge explosion which finishes the job Lando and co, failed. Luke still has time to get the Shuttle out of the exploding Death Star as in the original film.
I am not sure how this could be done with existing shots, and the pacing would be tricky, but I thought it would really be something to have had Luke destroy the original Death Star, and for his Father to destroy the Death Star II - sort of has a nice symmetry to it, and helps really complete the circle, or the story arc of Anakin. One last defiant action which results in the Rebels winning the battle. The Executor is Vader's ship too, so it's fitting that he uses it to destroy the Death Star II, and also destroys his evil past... Lando destroying the Death Star was cool and everything, but I think having Vader do it would be so much more emotionally satisfying, IFFFFF it can be pulled off by any genius's here? It would need some new FX of the Executor ploughing through some of the unfinished structure of the Death Star II and into the reactor... as well as some subtle use of voice actors or dialogue editing for some modified lines i.e. Lando "we've FAILED - the reactor is still operational!" or something...
Just an idea I had - feel free to shoot it down folks hahaha! ;)
Peace!
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Nerfherder said:
Hi folks!
War!
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Read the pages and get back to us :D
Welcome aboard!
Check this before anything else Wishlist
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Rogue Leader said:
Oh! I wanted to post another idea/wish for B-wings. =D In the b-wing's standard cruise mode the B-wing flies on it's side (like the Falcon). In attack mode the hull rotates around the cockpit as it's s-foils locks in attack position. I would LOVE to see that as the fleet arrives at Endor and a whole bunch of B-wings hulles rotate downward as their cockpit stays stationary and the s-foils lock in attack position. That would be such a stunning visual and accurate to how B-wings operate (first 8 seconds of this video illustrates what the heck I'm talking about):
A couple of extra thoughts on the B-wing:
(1) I love the different paint job on this one too; the ones shown in JEDI are just flat grey, and to have them painted like this (and show different squadrons with different pain schemes to have them stand out more) would be a definite improvement.
(2) I imagined the B-wing cockpit pod could have the entire ship rotate all around it while in combat, making it extremely hard to get a hit on. Granted, the body wouldn't be rotating "constantly", but I could see the body rotate around as it was being fired upon to literally move it's body out of the line of fire. I would also change the laser sound FX to something more in tune with the OT (sorry, but the PT sound FX were so terribly over the top).
And Nerfherder:
Good idea there! Whether conceivable or not, I understand there is more to it than just the visual "cool" factor, not to mention it would also connect to the Red Leader "negative... it just impacted on the surface" let-down moment and "Oh no! What are they going to do now?!"
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(2) I imagined the B-wing cockpit pod could have the entire ship rotate all around it while in combat, making it extremely hard to get a hit on.
Wouldn't that make the cockpit stationary, and therefore the easiest bit to hit? Seems a bit of a flaw to me ;)
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"And Nerfherder: Good idea there! Whether conceivable or not, I understand there is more to it than just the visual "cool" factor, not to mention it would also connect to the Red Leader "negative... it just impacted on the surface" let-down moment and "Oh no! What are they going to do now?!"
Haha thanks man. And I hadn't considered that line you mention... my God it seems tailer made for this very scene! I've seen this ending in my mind's eye for the past 13 years now and I'd LOVE to see it realised even just as stills. It just seems so powerful and really turns Vader into a tragic hero - he saves the Rebellion during it's darkest "how the hell are they going to turn this around" moment.....
Still the other ideas I'm slowly reading about seem just as awsome :)
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not to mention it would also connect to the Red Leader "negative... it just impacted on the surface" let-down moment and "Oh no! What are they going to do now?!"
Yeah but all that brings again a rehash plot like ANH? We dont want that dont we?
Same cr@p all over again!
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I wouldn't call it cr*p - I think it has the emotional pay-off/delivery which Jedi always hinted at but never QUITE delivered? At their core the films are about redemption, and I think the end of Jedi REALLY needed to hammer that point home using Vader himself (and not Lando). Who better to destroy the Death Star II and bring victory to the Rebellion? I'm sure of this had happened in 1983 there wouldn't have been a dry eye in the house. I don't know... it just seemed perfect to me ;)
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Vader already killed the Emperor, I think that's redemption enough - and to make Lando go all that way only for him to screw up seems kind of a waste.
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That would be an amazing spectacle (and the Force Unleashed fan in me is giddy at the prospect of destroying more Star Destroyers with Force Pull), but I don't think even a SSD's impact on a moon-sized space station would destroy it - I prefer Lando taking out the core. You could try having the SSD crash simply overload the Death Star's shield, but then there's the problem of conveying on-screen (in both a logical and thematically-satisfying way) how Han destroying the shield generator somehow didn't destroy all of the shield.
It's a cool idea, and part of me really wants it to work - but I just don't see it fitting.
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As always please forgive the crudity of the mockup :
Looks like a fucked up pac man...hahaha...sorry ...but it does...hahaha
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I like the Lando and the Falcon are toast ending idea. But if i were to weigh up all the pros and cons, then i guess, id just keep it as it is (as much as i hate it sometimes when Ady dismisses an 'outside of the box' way of thinking idea occasionally/EDIT:frequently. Butt some ideas are WAAAAY out o' the box at times!).
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HotRod said:
Bingowings said:
As always please forgive the crudity of the mockup :
Looks like a fucked up pac man...hahaha...sorry ...but it does...hahaha
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Darth Editous said:
Vader already killed the Emperor, I think that's redemption enough - and to make Lando go all that way only for him to screw up seems kind of a waste.
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Yeah I definately see where you are coming from, I just thought the audience are on the edge of their seats (those that have never seen it anyway haha!) thinking Lando and co are going to pull this off. And they hit it but it isn't enough!!! ARghhhh ohhh nooooooo!!!!
The Death Star starts to power up to fire and instead Vader saves the day through using his own ship to finish off what Lando partly destroyed.
I agree though there's too much that would need to be done to pull this one off. I'll just letit play in my mind's eye instead ;)
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Darth Cadavra said:
That would be an amazing spectacle (and the Force Unleashed fan in me is giddy at the prospect of destroying more Star Destroyers with Force Pull), but I don't think even a SSD's impact on a moon-sized space station would destroy it - I prefer Lando taking out the core. You could try having the SSD crash simply overload the Death Star's shield, but then there's the problem of conveying on-screen (in both a logical and thematically-satisfying way) how Han destroying the shield generator somehow didn't destroy all of the shield.
It's a cool idea, and part of me really wants it to work - but I just don't see it fitting.
Yeah a SSD wouldn't destroy the death star - what I meant was that Lando and co. partically destroy the core, but it is still JUST literally hanging in there. Having the star destroyer crash into the uncompleted side of the death star at full ramming speed is enough to finish the job off.
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Nerfherder said:
Yeah a SSD wouldn't destroy the death star - what I meant was that Lando and co. partically destroy the core, but it is still JUST literally hanging in there. Having the star destroyer crash into the uncompleted side of the death star at full ramming speed is enough to finish the job off.
Well, if more explosions then yes :D
Daddy Michael will be proud for his son :D
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You know, there are a few things about the Executor vs. DSII that bothers me... I mean, when the imperial fleet goes to a stop so the DS can fire at the rebel fleet, we can see the DS in the distance; a little later, the rebel fleet approaches the imperial one, apparently yet at the same position as previously, to attack it at point blank range; finally, when the Executor is damaged it "nose dives" on the DS´s surface... Someone already said something about angles being weird in space but hey, both fleets must have jumped to some weird locations to achieve that ending result... :D It almost makes sense to remake the scene so the Executor is destroyed by rebel fire instead of having it crashing on the DS... :D
edited: I just realized that after the shield is down, the rebel fleet might have approached the DS surface to avoid the supelaser and attack the superstructure, with the imperial fleet following... Still, the Executor "nose dive" remains odd... :D