Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 25

One of the worst aspects of the Endor forest battle is the way the Stormtroopers stumble around staring at the ground being absolutely unaware of their surroundings and constantly letting Han flip them over. that didn't even make sense

OzoneSherrif said:

One of the worst aspects of the Endor forest battle is the way the Stormtroopers stumble around staring at the ground being absolutely unaware of their surroundings and constantly letting Han flip them over. that didn't even make sense

Once again some of that can be edited around or tinkered with digitally.

Pointing lazy trooper heads up is a (time consuming) doddle and who knows, maybe the 501st can be called in to do some more dignified trooperage as plate elements?

More rebels and Ewoks need to die in this battle too, for their victory to be believable the good guys have to take losses.

But the actual story element of the ground battle is essential to the tale in my opinion, it just has to be made less rubbish like all the other componants of this rather half arsed film.

could a full alternative Battle of Endor storyboard be developed? perhaps just scene for scene, to show how the old footage and heavily editted material fits in?

DarkFather said:

I suggest editing out a chunk of the Emperor's dialogue. As presented in ROTJ, he's a very stock villain. When you imagine him sitting there, most the time silent, you can feel the tension building up. So when he does speak, his words could that much more weight. I also suggest having him speak more slowly and collectively, as the character did in Empire Strikes Back.

Silence among contrasting characters, when done correctly, is a superb way of creating a foreboding tension. The way it is in ROTJ now, is very scripted and watered down.

Consider this.

I actually like the idea of Palpatine being a smarmy git, the way Ian delivers lines like "Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will still be operational when your friends arrive" cracks me up everytime.

In a way Palpatine is Yoda's distorted reflection.

Yoda delivers wacked out humour but still manages to sound mystically good, Palps delivers wacked out humour but still manages to sound mystically evil, both hide their great power behind the mask of ancient frail looking bodies.

If the Clive Revill Palpatine had survived through to ROTJ I feel we would have missed out on one of the better performances in the whole saga (he certainly makes the prequels more watchable), though I liked the spooky look of the original Emperor more.

ben_danger said:

could a full alternative Battle of Endor storyboard be developed? perhaps just scene for scene, to show how the old footage and heavily editted material fits in?

I tried a few photoshop doodles a few pages back.

Yeah it can be done but we'd have to figure out what we do like and what we don't in the existing material and any new ideas we'd like to put in (like my AT-AT in the forest notion).

Like all the effects in ROTJ there is a great amount of inconsistancy when it comes to quality.

DarkFather said:

I just want to be able to take the Emperor seriously. He is the prime villain after all.

Just look at Richard III (the play not the man who was by all accounts rather nice), he is both hilariously funny and bone chillingly villainous all at the same time.

Caligula in I CLAVDIVS too.

That's where Palpatine is coming from.

If you want to do an edit with a near silent slow speaking Palpatine go ahead though.

At the very least it would be interesting to see as a curio.

I really like the idea - it finally gives us something from the Imperial perspective, showing us that not every Imperial was evil, just like how not every Nazi was evil.  Sure, the people at the top were most certainly evil, and there were definitely people within the ranks that were evil, but there were good people within the ranks.

those shots look so awesome! it would be so cool if behind every window in every shot we see the battle. each window from different locations could have stuff going on from different distances.

i reckon the battle shots seen through the window of the emperors throne room should be kept quite far off, until perhaps the lightsaber duel with vader gets really intence, i could imagine that last charge that luke takes against vader could have craft literally meters from that window he passes.

i hope you feel better soon vaderios

thats another awesome mockup vaderios. the lights kind of add tension to it like a stage.

perhaps some holographic displays showing the rebel fleet would be interesting, which fizzle out when ackbar shows the plans. the glow could reflect onto the faces of the generals when they get close perhaps?

i never minded the briefing, and SSWR's recut of the scene worked really nicely, especially with luke.

HUGE improvement on vader! does Hayden Christensen have blue eyes or brown?

hey vaderios, love your work :D

would you mind doing the same picture, but insert Hayden Christensen?

best regards KOngerne (btw its danish :P) 

vaderios said:

 

 

 

 

 

Just kidding :)

 

-Angel

That would be kind of neat actually. It would be spooky.