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Monroville said:

vaderios said:

wip:

 

-Angel

Is it just me, or does he look a little like Bob Newhart?

Anyways, here is another idea after looking at the JEDI: WISHLIST:

  1. Have Chewie miss more obviously with his bowcaster (and possibly change the color to green to match the PT).


    Maybe to show how different and powerful the bowcaster is compared to a regular laser pistol or rifle, the bowcaster could shoot spheres of energy (like proton torpedoes,, but smaller - audiowise, a new sound effect could be applied to emphazise it's more powerful nature, ie. something along the lines of when Vermithrax breathes in to prepare to breathe fire in DRAGONSLAYER - speed the sound up a little and alter it slightly, but still give it the sense that the bowcaster can build up energy like the R-TYPE gun) and show trees blowing up from the near misses, and its one of the near miss explosions that knock off the scout trooper from one of the speeder bikes.

    Not to mention, if you show Chewie shooting so blatantly off his target, it would kinda make Chewie a clutz at aiming and shooting a gun... ie. stupid and silly, which is what I would think any good editor would want to remove from JEDI.

 

 

good ideas about Chewie's blaster and such.

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In the The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

in the ending planet construction sequence can be a suitable reference or footage for the DS run.

Having workers working one the DS and flybys from the fighters can be a new POV and a more intence something to the run.

Imaging endless fields of unfinished sections(wide shots) with tiny fighters and capital fighting in the distance while rebel fighters maneuver though the wip section of the station to penetrate to the reactor..

hmmmmmmm

I like that idea of mine lol( i got a flash right here/now)

Showing grand shots is that ANH gave us and ROTJ has to push it to its limits..

 

When i have time folks.. cant wait to make something

 

-Angel

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OzoneSherrif said:

this is from ROTJ on the bridge of the Executor i'm pretty sure...

can you see what's wrong here?

 

The guy in front has no rank badge.

Black uniforms on the bridge. I am not sure about the context, but it might be in order.

Why are there shutters over the windows? The man in front is looking out one of the bridge's side windows, right?

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Avatar said:

tell me.....your secret so i can replicate it on a moving image

No cant do that... Sorry :)

 

Btw SWWR any news or updates from ROTJ fan-o-matic? Or its finished?

Not to mention, if you show Chewie shooting so blatantly off his target, it would kinda make Chewie a clutz at aiming and shooting a gun... ie. stupid and silly, which is what I would think any good editor would want to remove from JEDI.

Good call. Still he aims higher.. :(

I d like to listen that sound effect you referring there :O

Also, how would it look to make the reactor look more like a reactor?   You know, with more lights or whatnot on it?  Good examples abound in films like STEAMBOY, AKIRA and LAPUTA: CASTLE IN THE SKY.

Good references..i ll have to look at them.

i'd like to see different ways it could blow up. maybe a skull face or something.

Crystal Skull.. I have some ideas for the explosion.. Still messing.

 

Viva la revolution!

 

-Just Caused Angel

 

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Is there plans to make Anakin disapear out of the Vader Suit like Yoda and Obi-Wan did? It seems like a continuity error to keep his body intact when two scenes later we see he became one with the force. Keeping the burning of the suit still makes sense IMO (Symbolically ridding the evil of Anakin).

Thoughts?

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It's not that much of a continuity problem as Qui-Gon didn't vanish either (he even got burned on a pyre like Anakin).

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vaderios said:

Avatar said:

tell me.....your secret so i can replicate it on a moving image

No cant do that... Sorry :)

 

curse you vaderios!!

mark my words you haven't seen the last of me!!

i will find out your secret!!

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vaderios said:

Btw SWWR any news or updates from ROTJ fan-o-matic? Or its finished?

Um...yeah...I think I'll have one more part finished pretty soon. But I'm not sure if I'll get around to completing the whole movie. The most radical ideas I wanted to try out I already have to some degree. And the ending...yeah...there are so many ideas to try...it's quite a big job thats a bit overwhelming. So I will probably only tackle a couple of key scenes. :D

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Asteroid-Man said:

Is there plans to make Anakin disapear out of the Vader Suit like Yoda and Obi-Wan did? It seems like a continuity error to keep his body intact when two scenes later we see he became one with the force. Keeping the burning of the suit still makes sense IMO (Symbolically ridding the evil of Anakin).

Bingowings said:

It's not that much of a continuity problem as Qui-Gon didn't vanish either (he even got burned on a pyre like Anakin).

My taking of the Force-ghost thing is, as explained by Lucas at the end of ROTS, Qui Gon had been studying immortality through the force, Like Darth Plagus the Wise and made his return from the wilderness of death, we are now led to believe that in his return he now communicated with Yoda and Kenobi in their retirement and educated them in immortality. Palpatine was also studying from Plagus's instructions and was passing this knowledge on to his apprentice, Vader, but I don't know what happened, wether Plagus's knowledge was faulted or immortality doesn't apply to Sith, so perhaps when Vader repented by saving his son the knowledge he had acquired was enough for him to become one with the Force.......or is that a load of crap? 

 

J

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I know I might get yelled at for suggesting this, but, could we possibly give the Ewoks some eyes? I mean, the 'buttons' are driving me crazy! lol

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.......or is that a load of crap?


If you mean a load of crap made up by George Lucas... have you heard of Occam's razor? ;)

I know I might get yelled at for suggesting this, but, could we possibly give the Ewoks some eyes? I mean, the 'buttons' are driving me crazy! lol


That would just freak me right out!

DE

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Jair Crawford said:

I know I might get yelled at for suggesting this, but, could we possibly give the Ewoks some eyes? I mean, the 'buttons' are driving me crazy! lol

That has been suggested many times and it really needs to be done where possible.

If the Ewoks looked less like the toys they were going to sell they would be more believable as alien people rather than short actors dressed as teddy bears.

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Bingowings said:

Jair Crawford said:

I know I might get yelled at for suggesting this, but, could we possibly give the Ewoks some eyes? I mean, the 'buttons' are driving me crazy! lol

That has been suggested many times and it really needs to be done where possible.

If the Ewoks looked less like the toys they were going to sell they would be more believable as alien people rather than short actors dressed as teddy bears.

 I think the eyes themseves are okay, just add some blinking lids.

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The eyes are obviously glass or clear plastic (they don't have the wet mush of real eyes) and because the masks often don't fit properly you can frequently see the actor's real eyes peeping through which spoils the illusion.

Most of them don't even have a hint of eyelid to blink with so just adding a blink effect is not always an option.

It would be a mammoth undertaking replacing every Ewok eye in the film but it might be possible to focus on the nearest to camera and the eye may be drawn away from the ones further away (sure retentive nerds like us would still notice...I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people on this board can see individual atoms but the general audience would get the impression that all the Ewoks had been fixed).

 

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vaderios said:


Avatar said:
tell me.....your secret so i can replicate it on a moving image

No cant do that... Sorry :)


Sooo... how much is keepin' dis secret worth? ;)

DE

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Asteroid-Man said:

Is there plans to make Anakin disapear out of the Vader Suit like Yoda and Obi-Wan did? It seems like a continuity error to keep his body intact when two scenes later we see he became one with the force. Keeping the burning of the suit still makes sense IMO (Symbolically ridding the evil of Anakin).

Thoughts?

Actually, I think that would be a FANTASTIC idea: when Luke pulls the mask off and has his last words with his father, to show Sebastian Shaw lean back and fade away.. I think it at least deserves a mock-up video to see how it would come out (Davnes)... >:)

If Vader/Anakin did disappear ala Obi-Wan and Yoda, the suit could still retain its shape due to it containing a skeleton of metal within it (like a slinky, for lack of a better visual explanation), much like a full body endoskeleton, as opposed to Vader just wearing a cloth suit with just a metal chest plate, belt, boots, helmet and shoulder pads. 

This concept could be shown when Vader loses his hand to Luke - when his arm is cut off, rather than show a clean abrupt cut with sparking electronics, bits of the outer suit sleeve could come out with the metallic "slinky" support showing underneath the cloth, with metallic "bones" sticking out of the central arm socket, with a mix of flesh and circuits around them (hinting towards a look similar to the smoldering fleshy skeletons of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru)

The point of this would explain why Luke is carrying Vader's "body" (or in this case, the empty suit) and it still retaining its shape, as opposed to carrying an empty suit, which needlessly wouldn't have nearly the same dramatic effect (imagine Luke taking Vader's empty suit and slinging it over his shoulder before running into the shuttle).

Also, V:

(1) examples of audio FX that can be used for Chewie's gun (Vermithrax's "power up" so to speak) here (at 5:04) , here (start at 2:00 - hmm, that priest sure looks familiar...) and here


Power up sound would last 1 to 1.5 seconds before firing 2 or 3 spherical blasts.  First 2 blasts would be shown in shot with Chewie aiming at scout trooper, with trees exploding around the trooper. 


(only need to alter barrel of gun to point towards scout trooper; gun is at right level for Chewie to actually be using the scope to look out of.  First 2 shots can hit tree on left and right of ST, can even use new FX to show trees starting to fall down, or at least add sound FX to imply trees beginning to come down due to Chewie's hits)

3rd shot gets him when it cuts away from Chewie to trooper going down in next scene (in fact, one could recreate the scene where Emil gets taken down by Robocop at the gas station - notice how fast Emil flies off his motorcycle.  One could show the scout trooper flying off equally fast with added flames on him for added effect)


(2) some images for a "lit up reactor" mock-up:








Speaking of LAPUTA, could this be another alternate idea for the Emperor's palace (with the tower on the top)?:



minus the giant propeller of course...

Also, some ideas for possible rebel ships:



again, minus the flapping wings on the top one (maybe straighten them out?) and minus the propellers and rear wings on the bottom one.

Lastly, here is a really cool site I stumbled on with concept spaceship art that could be useful for reference:

         

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Darth Editous said:

Sooo... how much is keepin' dis secret worth? ;)

DE

One i can say.. Dont sacrifice virgins to the volcanoes to gain my good will... Give them to me ;) ;) ;)

3rd shot gets him when it cuts away from Chewie to trooper going down in next scene (in fact, one could recreate the scene where Emil gets taken down by Robocop at the gas station - notice how fast Emil flies off his motorcycle.  One could show the scout trooper flying off equally fast with added flames on him for added effect)

Awesome though!

 

-Angel

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I don't like this mockup (the moment I uploaded it to Skydrive I realised I'd gone way OTT with it) but I post it in reply to Monroville's comments in the hope it might spark something more subtle. I was trying for an energy propeller sort of idea (as if electricity could be spun in a centrifuge) the inside of the chamber always reminded me of the inside of a top loading washing machine or a candy floss machine (well it did until The Search For Spock came out then I kept expecting The Excelsior to come around the corner). If the walls couldn't spin why not the energy field?:

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vaderios said:

Ok im Happy now...

I found one new techique to erase the damn glows and revealing the under detail only with PS filters/ways.

This way leave the footage ready to color correction :D

Here some quick examples of what can this do..

*awesome*

This works removing glows from holos and electricity ;)

It was tested...on captain solo

 

-Angel

Here I thought whoever edits RotJ and wanted to fix the saber glow would have to do background replacement for every shot.  Now you say you can do it with filters, but you won't tell us HOW?!  This is a discovery of epic proportions!  You must share it, for the good of the Republic!

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Jaitea said:

Asteroid-Man said:

Is there plans to make Anakin disapear out of the Vader Suit like Yoda and Obi-Wan did? It seems like a continuity error to keep his body intact when two scenes later we see he became one with the force. Keeping the burning of the suit still makes sense IMO (Symbolically ridding the evil of Anakin).

Bingowings said:

It's not that much of a continuity problem as Qui-Gon didn't vanish either (he even got burned on a pyre like Anakin).

My taking of the Force-ghost thing is, as explained by Lucas at the end of ROTS, Qui Gon had been studying immortality through the force, Like Darth Plagus the Wise and made his return from the wilderness of death, we are now led to believe that in his return he now communicated with Yoda and Kenobi in their retirement and educated them in immortality. Palpatine was also studying from Plagus's instructions and was passing this knowledge on to his apprentice, Vader, but I don't know what happened, wether Plagus's knowledge was faulted or immortality doesn't apply to Sith, so perhaps when Vader repented by saving his son the knowledge he had acquired was enough for him to become one with the Force.......or is that a load of crap? 

 

J

 In the novel it said that Plagus never ended up finding the path to immortality for himself due to the fact that absolute love is required. It kind of hints that he tried to, or that successfully saved someone (some say he created Anakin) that he loved but his selfish quest for absolute power lead him to the darkside. Qui-Gon finds the path to immortality but the closest he could get to it was a kind of gateway point where he could commune with Yoda but he himself didn't necessarily become "one with the force" and turn into a force ghost. The only people in the films to successfully do this are Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin, and considering the first two disappeared I'd consider it a continuity error.

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doubleofive said:


Here I thought whoever edits RotJ and wanted to fix the saber glow would have to do background replacement for every shot.  Now you say you can do it with filters, but you won't tell us HOW?!  This is a discovery of epic proportions!  You must share it, for the good of the Republic!


Yes, how did you remove those GREEN sabres? Those very, very GREEN sabres, which aren't RED or BLUE? ;)

David

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doubleofive said:

Here I thought whoever edits RotJ and wanted to fix the saber glow would have to do background replacement for every shot.  Now you say you can do it with filters, but you won't tell us HOW?!  This is a discovery of epic proportions!  You must share it, for the good of the Republic!

To erase glows is a power only some have achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.

Pity i dont want new apprentices right now :)

Yes, how did you remove those GREEN sabres? Those very, very GREEN sabres, which aren't RED or BLUE? ;)

The major problem was the green sabers.. if you want other saber examples let me know :)

 

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Darth Editous said:

 

doubleofive said:


Here I thought whoever edits RotJ and wanted to fix the saber glow would have to do background replacement for every shot.  Now you say you can do it with filters, but you won't tell us HOW?!  This is a discovery of epic proportions!  You must share it, for the good of the Republic!


Yes, how did you remove those GREEN sabres? Those very, very GREEN sabres, which aren't RED or BLUE? ;)

David

 

I figured something to do with chromakeys, but I've not messed with that in the all-powerful CS3.

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doubleofive said:


I figured something to do with chromakeys, but I've not messed with that in the all-powerful CS3.


You need to channel your thoughts in a simpler direction - you'll getting all mixed up!

DE