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Bingowings said:

If it could be done I'd try dubbing Yoda's repeat of his first lesson to Luke while he is dying so instead of saying "Once you start down the Dark path etc..." He says the lines from ROTS "Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not" (it may be impossible to modulate and break up the line to get that near death performance but I'll give it a go).

Yoda is sensing that Luke's doubts are growing now that he is losing his teacher, Ben later reminds him not to underestimate Vader and the Emperor.

Luke got the dark path lesson in ESB he hasn't received that nugget of wisdom from Yoda yet and it would be a sensible parallel with Anakin's fear of losing his wife and Luke's fear of losing his sister being the pivots on which their anger and potential to do evil balance.

 

 Woah...this could be a good idea...hmmm

Its a shame a bunch of fans sitting in a forum had to come up with that connection.

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OK I was kind of skimming through this thread and dont really want to read 1,000,000 posts. Whats with this lightsaber blade color thing? Why change all the prequel blades? Thats a horrible idea.

 

BTW Vaderioos what are you using to capture screenshots?

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AxiaEuxine said:

OK I was kind of skimming through this thread and dont really want to read 1,000,000 posts. Whats with this lightsaber blade color thing? Why change all the prequel blades? Thats a horrible idea.

They're just throwing around ideas.  Mostly that maybe the New Jedi Order should have green blades, the first being Luke's.  Originally Luke's lightsaber was going to be blue, so that shows that at one point there were only supposed to be two colors, blue and red.  Maybe all Jedi were supposed to have blue sabers?

But that boat has sailed.  Jedi have all the colors of the rainbow, and I think we should keep it that way.

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AxiaEuxine said:

OK I was kind of skimming through this thread and dont really want to read 1,000,000 posts. Whats with this lightsaber blade color thing? Why change all the prequel blades? Thats a horrible idea.

 


the idea is PT jedi and basically any old republic era jedi have blue, and luke makes a green sabre for ROTJ symbolising the birth of the new jedi order.

 

PT jedi could have alternative blues, deep CLONE WARS blues, turqoises, light blues like ANH, cyans etc.

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ben_danger said:
AxiaEuxine said:

OK I was kind of skimming through this thread and dont really want to read 1,000,000 posts. Whats with this lightsaber blade color thing? Why change all the prequel blades? Thats a horrible idea.

 


the idea is PT jedi and basically any old republic era jedi have blue, and luke makes a green sabre for ROTJ symbolising the birth of the new jedi order.

 

PT jedi could have alternative blues, deep CLONE WARS blues, turqoises, light blues like ANH, cyans etc.

It could be argued that green is a colour associated with spring and rejuvenation so it would make sense on a symbolic level to have the old sabres blue during the winter and death of the old order and green in the spring and rebirth the new Jedi order.

Sith have blood red.

Should the new order thrive and reach greater heights than the old they could become yellow heralding in a golden age (and everyone should get worried again when they turn brown/orange).

 

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I say leave all the blades as the are

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AxiaEuxine said:

I say leave all the blades as the are

It's a prequel issue really as there are only red and green in ROTJ and Red and Blue in ESB (and hardly anyone is talking about that film on this thread anymore).

 

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Bingowings said:

If it could be done I'd try dubbing Yoda's repeat of his first lesson to Luke while he is dying so instead of saying "Once you start down the Dark path etc..." He says the lines from ROTS "Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not" (it may be impossible to modulate and break up the line to get that near death performance but I'll give it a go).

Yoda is sensing that Luke's doubts are growing now that he is losing his teacher, Ben later reminds him not to underestimate Vader and the Emperor.

Luke got the dark path lesson in ESB he hasn't received that nugget of wisdom from Yoda yet and it would be a sensible parallel with Anakin's fear of losing his wife and Luke's fear of losing his sister being the pivots on which their anger and potential to do evil balance.

 

 Woah...this could be a good idea...hmmm

Its a shame a bunch of fans sitting in a forum had to come up with that connection.

To be fair George (if he did write it and not Tom Stoppard) only came up with the line a few years back so he couldn't have made the connection if he wanted to.

 

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AxiaEuxine said:

I say leave all the blades as the are

 


but don't you think that distinguishing the colours makes sense?

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No, its a blade color. I dont think that we need to instill some special signifigance into Luke's blade color. The good guys have blue and green (and Mace's purple) and the bad guys have red due to the synthetic nature of the crystals they use. I see no reason to make every blade in the prequels blue, that would be boring.

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Lightsabre colour is not an issue for these films as Luke has either a blue or green sabre and Vader has a red one (or a pink one on the DVD versions) it's only an issue for discussion in relation to the prequels and there it's up to whatever the editors want to do with their edits (there are a lot of different projects and some people may want to change them and others may want to keep them the same).

 

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AxiaEuxine said:

BTW Vaderios what are you using to capture screenshots?

 

VLC Player---> Video---> Snapshot :)

 

Misplace of saber blade :)


Edit: Here is my idea. It have more danger and sense that the dude who pop up from jabba's ship actually try to shoot luke.

And....

 

Who cares about jedi training and the force...

One red bu.... I mean liquid schwartz can give you wings :)

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vaderios said:
AxiaEuxine said:

BTW Vaderios what are you using to capture screenshots?

 

VLC Player---> Video---> Snapshot :)

 

Misplace of saber blade :)


Edit: Here is my idea. It have more danger and sense that the dude who pop up from jabba's ship actually try to shoot luke.

And....

 

Who cares about jedi training and the force...

One red bu.... I mean liquid schwartz can give you wings :)

-Angel

 

Good idea on the middle one, hilarious about the bottom one.  But the top one has something that doesn't need to be there.  I'd love to see how you get rid of the Fett.

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AxiaEuxine said:

I see no reason to make every blade in the prequels blue, that would be boring.

Gee. Something boring in the PT? Who'da thought?

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In the original treatment for Revenge Of The Jedi there were TWO Death Stars being built as seen in this production painting :

two Death Stars

It might also be a fun addition to an alternative version to have Jejerrod being presurred into completing one Death Star (the one the Rebels know about) but the Emperor overseeing the construction of a different Death Star.

The audience is lead to expect that they are the same Death Star until Luke notices when looking out of the window as the station moves that the battlestation he is now on is not the one that the battle is taking place near.

Moving the line "you have paid the price for your lack of vision" so it takes place before "the Alliance will die"  would add a heck of a punch to Luke's near flip to the dark side.

It would also add weight to the Emperor's line "We are quite safe from your friends here".

This one is mobile and is moved into the battle once the Rebels are pinned in between the other Death Star and the fleet.

The Emperor orders Jejerrod to fire from his Death Star while the other moves in and fires into the battle from the other side.

"There are too many of them!" can now be replaced with a line from TPM "Now there are two of them!" .

Because Lando has moved the Rebel fleet close to the Imperial one almost as many Imperial ships are being destroyed by the Death Stars as Rebel ships because the gunners can't pick a target.

Piett finally has had enough of Sith Lords and orders an attack on the second Death Star and rams into the uncomplete section (after the Emperor has been killed) so now the Executor goes down for a very good reason (saving the Admiral's fleet) and peace between the Imperials and the Rebels is more believable because during the battle they both end up fighting on for their lives against a common enemy.

Jejerrod seeing the end is up tries to turn his Death Star onto the forest moon, wiping out both the Rebels and the mutineers but the Rebels destroy the reactor before this can be accomplished.

These changes are a bit out there but they would make the film much more different than just a rehash of ANH and a bit closer to what Jedi originally was going to be.

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Bingowings said:

In the original treatment for Revenge Of The Jedi there were TWO Death Stars being built as seen in this production painting :

two Death Stars

It might also be a fun addition to an alternative version to have Jejerrod being presurred into completing one Death Star (the one the Rebels know about) but the Emperor overseeing the construction of a different Death Star.

The audience is lead to expect that they are the same Death Star until Luke notices when looking out of the window as the station moves that the battlestation he is now on is not the one that the battle is taking place near.

Moving the line "you have paid the price for your lack of vision" so it takes place before "the Alliance will die"  would add a heck of a punch to Luke's near flip to the dark side.

It would also add weight to the Emperor's line "We are quite safe from your friends here".

This one is mobile and is moved into the battle once the Rebels are pinned in between the other Death Star and the fleet.

The Emperor orders Jejerrod to fire from his Death Star while the other moves in and fires into the battle from the other side.

"There are too many of them!" can now be replaced with a line from TPM "Now there are two of them!" .

Because Lando has moved the Rebel fleet close to the Imperial one almost as many Imperial ships are being destroyed by the Death Stars as Rebel ships because the gunners can't pick a target.

Piett finally has had enough of Sith Lords and orders an attack on the second Death Star and rams into the uncomplete section (after the Emperor has been killed) so now the Executor goes down for a very good reason (saving the Admiral's fleet) and peace between the Imperials and the Rebels is more believable because during the battle they both end up fighting on for their lives against a common enemy.

Jejerrod seeing the end is up tries to turn his Death Star onto the forest moon, wiping out both the Rebels and the mutineers but the Rebels destroy the reactor before this can be accomplished.

These changes are a bit out there but they would make the film much more different than just a rehash of ANH and a bit closer to what Jedi originally was going to be.

That actually might work.  It would be hard, but it just might.

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Whoa! I like a lot this idea!

This is changing the fact that the ROTJ is like a remake of ANH.(IMO)

Very nice addition with the sense of the trap.

+10


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These changes are a bit out there but they would make the film much more different than just a rehash of ANH and a bit closer to what Jedi originally was going to be.

Simply awesome.

Hard to do indeed, but according to all this thread ideas, ROTJ really is the movie that could be transformed in totaly something else. I know Adywan is not a magician but I'd like him to take some of those wonderful ideas for ROTJ revisited.

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Suggestions of how the death stars should look.

Give me some info to bother my head :)

 

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vaderios said:

Suggestions of how the death stars should look.

Give me some info to bother my head :)

 

-Angel

 

So if I understand it right, the Emperor's is complete (using images from ANH) and comes around the moon and starts shooting (it could even be smaller like the DS1 since it got completed faster), while Jejerrod's half-complete one (the DS2) is the bait.  Piett smashes the Executor into the DS1 which due to its smaller size is destroyed and Lando blows up the DS2 as its about to fire on Endor.

Shouldn't be too hard to throw together some mock-ups, vaderios.  I have some ideas and if I can find the right shots online, I'll do some of my own.

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 Adywan has already given this some thought, he proposed using the shell from ROTS as the third Death Star :

adywan said:How about using the skeleton Death Star from ROTS. That would be easy to add to any needed shots and , as Darth Richard said, it would be destroyed with in the explosion as a ripple effect. Because its only in its basic construction, as sluggo said, it wouldn't need any plot changes as the rebels would still concentrate on destroying the almost completed version which is the main threat..
One thing that has always bugged me about ROTJ is that the imperial fleet was never completely destroyed, so did they just give up when the Death Star was destroyed? I'm going to be adding the remnants of the fleet being caught up in the energy wave and you'll see them being destroyed. I think it will give the destruction of the Empire more impact and will take this sequence away from the "ANH rehashed" feeling I've always had about ROTJ's ending. Another thing i always wanted to see that was in the script, and will be in my version, was when the rebels realise the shield is still up and some ships couldn't turn in time impacting into the shield.It could be fully complete or it could look like this painting of the first Death Star in a similar state of near completion to the second (which would give the Executor a nice bit of exposed under belly to ram into) :

But it could be fully complete or it could look like this painting of the first Death Star in a similar state of near completion to the second (which would give the Executor a nice bit of exposed under belly to ram into) :

Death Star Building

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Here's my mockup:

About halfway through, I noticed that due to the direction of the ships that it should be the DS2 in this shot (there was nothing there originally).  But it does get the thought across.

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