Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 203

xhonzi said:

Ghost said:

The only way Luke on a speeder bike would make sense is if he and Obi-Wan have their conversation in Ben's hut.  Then from there have him ride a speeder bike across Tatooine.  With a lot of editing, that could be an ok possibilty.

 

But I would rather have a pretty CG scene of Luke flying in and across Tatooine.  Like Obi-Wan and Grevious did on Utapau in ROTS.  That would be much easier to do and alot more realistic.

 I realize I'm too late for this... but here-a-goes:

Why can't we just see Luke fit some kind of speeder-bike leather seat to R2-D2's dome and then show R2's repulsor jets fly him to Jabba's Palace?  Surely while he was looking for a place to stash his sabre, he would have noticed the jets!

And I know what you're thinking... Luke arrives much later than the droids.  So you would have to add Luke hiding in the shadows when the droids make their approach.  Maybe have his hand covering his mouth to stifle a giggle while he is hiding.

This is supposed to sarcastic, by the way.  But still- I can't get the image of Luke using R2-D2 as a make shift speeder out of my head.  Why have an X-Wing when your astromech droid can FLY?

That wouldn't work - you didn't even give Luke a cowboy hat.

Sheesh.

Honestly! It's not glass.

It's transparent aluminum.

Hello, computer?

Darth Venal said:

CG augmentation is one thing, but CG Creation is another.

Have you been talking to my wife?

Yes, talking, if that's what you call it in your house.

What euphemism?

Does anyone have a copy of the soundtrack to the Ewok movies? I think it was only released on record, but there are some musical cues that might be helpful to expand and increase the seriousness of the mood in the ground battle of Endor.

TheBoost said:

Does anyone have a copy of the soundtrack to the Ewok movies? I think it was only released on record, but there are some musical cues that might be helpful to expand and increase the seriousness of the mood in the ground battle of Endor.

Yes, some of us have those soundtracks. I've got them at 320kps MP3s. which isn't the greatest, but it's certainly okay and can be "upscaled" and restored to some extent (definitely useable for a fan edit).

^^ Yes.....those ewok movies may prove useful just yet.

LoL

Darth Venal said:

Ithilgore:

Films like Avatar are pushing CG forward and sowing seeds for CG to one day look fully convincing

First of all, I agree with all your post, but one point...

In all honesty, I don't think CG humans will ever work. There is no getting out of Uncanny Valley. I work in this part of the industry, and while some do think it's possible, eventually, I have to say that the majority do not. And nor would they want it to be.

There's an irony in the pursuit of ultimate realism with CG, that being: if your aim is to create a photorealistic human, why not just use a human? Some say "you can get it to do things a real person can't". Fine, then use it for CG doubling, stunts etc, like we already do. What you can't do is nuance a performance in a computer the way a real person behaves. We can probably create photo-realistic still images that could fool nearly anyone. But we are so far away from a realistic moving human, Uncanny Valley isn't the half of it.

Think of what it took just to recreate Yoda in CG. Everything that Frank Oz did live on set back in 1978/9 in a matter of hours and days took many months to replicate in a computer with far more man hours. And it was less convincing. And it was harder to achieve. So what's the point? CG augmentation is one thing, but CG Creation is another.

EyeShotFirst:

I really think that the model ships in the OT minus the garbage mattes, were more convincing than CGI.

I agree completely with that. And now that compositing of live action elements can be done without "traditional" matte lines, it can't look any more real than real. Realistic scale, of course, has to be achieved with models, but as for lighting etc, it cannot ever look more real.

By the way, don't get too excited about the CG in Avatar. I've seen about 40% of the CG for that movie (which equates to about 25% of the whole movie) and yes, it's good. But it's no historical leap forward.

I think Dennis Muren said it best: why not just hire a real good actor to play the role?

"CG augmentation is one thing, but CG Creation is another."

I think that can also be applied here as well when were talking about changes. Creating elements and enhancing existing elements for these edits are two different realms of difficulty.

shanerjedi said:

Darth Venal said:

Ithilgore:

Films like Avatar are pushing CG forward and sowing seeds for CG to one day look fully convincing

First of all, I agree with all your post, but one point...

In all honesty, I don't think CG humans will ever work. There is no getting out of Uncanny Valley. I work in this part of the industry, and while some do think it's possible, eventually, I have to say that the majority do not. And nor would they want it to be.

There's an irony in the pursuit of ultimate realism with CG, that being: if your aim is to create a photorealistic human, why not just use a human? Some say "you can get it to do things a real person can't". Fine, then use it for CG doubling, stunts etc, like we already do. What you can't do is nuance a performance in a computer the way a real person behaves. We can probably create photo-realistic still images that could fool nearly anyone. But we are so far away from a realistic moving human, Uncanny Valley isn't the half of it.

Think of what it took just to recreate Yoda in CG. Everything that Frank Oz did live on set back in 1978/9 in a matter of hours and days took many months to replicate in a computer with far more man hours. And it was less convincing. And it was harder to achieve. So what's the point? CG augmentation is one thing, but CG Creation is another.

EyeShotFirst:

I really think that the model ships in the OT minus the garbage mattes, were more convincing than CGI.

I agree completely with that. And now that compositing of live action elements can be done without "traditional" matte lines, it can't look any more real than real. Realistic scale, of course, has to be achieved with models, but as for lighting etc, it cannot ever look more real.

By the way, don't get too excited about the CG in Avatar. I've seen about 40% of the CG for that movie (which equates to about 25% of the whole movie) and yes, it's good. But it's no historical leap forward.

 

 Hehe, man of few words Shaner?

Sorry. I edited it.

doubleofive said:

Darth Venal said:

shanerjedi said:

 

 Hehe, man of few words Shaner?

I think he bolded your statement on Avatar.  Either he's surprised so much of the movie is CGI or that you've seen that much of the movie.

Neither.

Darth Venal said:

Yes, talking, if that's what you call it in your house.

Don't get chesty with me.

This topic is turning into a total bust.

Let's try to stick to the titular films of this thread, shall we?

Right, I need to buxom tickets for the cinema.

Hehe definitely too much.

I am having a tough time keeping abreast of all of these puns.

 I know, we're racking 'em up.

Looking at how far CG has come in the past years, I have no dought it will one day look real.  Look at the jump in CG from TPM to ROTS.  I have a feeling that Lucas is waiting until he can perfect his movies all at one time with perfect CG.  There has got to be another addition coming out.  Blu-ray?

Do you guys think that GL will release another edition of his films?