Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 194

i've always been confused about that. in the PT each shot they fire at each other, whether small, capital or ground unit, their was always some hint of damage.

rcb:

i've always been confused about that. in the PT each shot they fire at each other, whether small, capital or ground unit, their was always some hint of damage

Maybe if you're "confused" by any of the inconsistencies being discussed, you need to remember that these movies were made many years apart, and the effects were achieved under very different circumstances of budget and technical ability. It's very easy to put CG blasts in for every laser fired, but doing that with traditional model work was just not practical to the extent you're expecting.

Technology moves on. It's that simple.

One of the benefits of doing editions like these is to bridge the gap between what may have been intended at the time and what is now possible to achieve, even on a small budget.

I don't think there was anything wrong with the intensions of the people making ESB (unlike the PT and ROTJ) so really all that's happening here is paying homage to the original material by giving it a little bit of a polish.

A bit of visable damage to the neck armour would be a good idea as far as I see it.

Darth Venal said:

rcb:

i've always been confused about that. in the PT each shot they fire at each other, whether small, capital or ground unit, their was always some hint of damage

Maybe if you're "confused" by any of the inconsistencies being discussed, you need to remember that these movies were made many years apart, and the effects were achieved under very different circumstances of budget and technical ability. It's very easy to put CG blasts in for every laser fired, but doing that with traditional model work was just not practical to the extent you're expecting.

Technology moves on. It's that simple.

Not only that, but not every laser score needs to be shown. Sometimes less is more.

Every blast that obviously connects to something should be shown and if the time limitations back then meant they were missed they should be put in now.

Sometimes less is more, yes.

But sometimes less is less and more is more (more or less).

Bingowings said:

Every blast that obviously connects to something should be shown and if the time limitations back then meant they were missed they should be put in now.

Sometimes less is more, yes.

But sometimes less is less and more is more (more or less).

Does the human eye pick up every single tiny little detail and texture on everything in our line of sight?

No.

Too much detail and all this extra stuff will make these fx shots look like busy fx shots that read as fake. Why? because sometimes it's also the things we don't see but the mind fills in for us that helps sell something as real.

There is no need to Sommer-ize Star Wars.

What the human eye misses and notices in a film varies from person to person, for the image to be a successful illusion of a fictional reality the composer of the image shouldn't second guess what the viewer will not see (unless it's a deliberate artistic decision which in this case it's not).

The tracing in of the missed laser trails in ANH:R adds to the verisimilitude of those sequences (even if it's a near subliminal addition).

Bingowings said:

What the human eye misses and notices in a film varies from person to person, for the image to be a successful illusion of a fictional reality the composer of the image shouldn't second guess what the viewer will not see (unless it's a deliberate artistic decision which in this case it's not).

The tracing in of the missed laser trails in ANH:R adds to the verisimilitude of those sequences (even if it's a near subliminal addition).

I'm not talking about anything ANH:R related. Im talking about people not understanding that when a massive piece of machinery falls to the ground,AT-AT, that it's going to be broken up without having to show CG cracks and armor plating bouncing off the snow like roger rabbit.

Why don't we go the extra step and have Ric Olie pop his head up in the scene to explain it to us in case we didn't understand physics? I understood it when I was 9.

Think of it this way.

In ANH we know that Red Leader's attempt to hit the exhaust port of the Death Star failed but the model makers still bothered to put an impact mark in even though the majority of people watching the film probably didn't notice it.

The same goes for adding a little visable chink in the exposed neck armour of the AT-AT.

The majority won't notice it, it might not be necessary in terms of what we know of the scene but it adds a little bit of in universe realism to what is happening.

That's why I'd be glad to see it if it can be done convincingly.

Shanerjedi:

I understood it when I was 9.

As I did when I was seven. I think we've truly crossed over the line of audiences filling in the blanks for themselves in mainstream cinema. And I'm afraid we'll never step back across that line.

I remember way back in 1992 with Alien 3 - pre-internet, mind - when people were whining about how the alien eggs at the beginning got onto the Sulaco.

Why don't we just throw a voiceover onto Star Wars to explain original-Blade Runner-style and be done with it...

                           LUKE

                      (pensive, rasping)

    I just knew the fall would have broken

    that armour. All we needed now was

    one of our boys to finish her off...

*rolls eyes*

wat about ships? i know the time frames are different, but there's scenes where the ships are hammered with laser fire and there maybe a spark and thats it.

one good flaw during the battle of endor, a tie fighter that is flaming, crashes into the bridge of the star destroyer and does nothing.

while one laser blast that hits the bridge a little lower shows a small pint sized explosion.

Ripplin said:

^Ric can just add that in audio commentary.

I'll do it for a reasonably sized lunch.

there is one thing distracting that i hate is during the scene when the ds fires on one of the rebel ship then it is overlapped with explosion that is just a bad effect.  i hope when adywan gets to that point he would use the same particle effect he used on alderan

SomethingStarWarsRelated I dug your alt. ending video......It worked rather nicely. Moving Lando's that was too close line later was awesome.

It's amazing what can be achieved in editing.

By simply extending things a bit more here and there it adds much more to the closing of the saga. I also liked a few other peoples ideas of simply adding in the celebration on other planets also at the end as we see the falcon flying off.

Hey guys!!! In 2007 I went to Celebration Europe and I meet Robert Watts. He gave me his e-mail address and, the other day i asked him about the lost sandstorm scene and this is what he said: "Regarding the sandstorm sequence, I cannot remember what was in the script for this sequence as it was never in the movie. However attached is a photo taken during the shooting of this sequence.It shows left to right, David Tomblin the assistant director, myself, George Lucas and Richard Marquand the director. You can see how we are dressed, to protect us from the blowing sand. The sequence does not exist so I cannot get you a copy.