Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 169

DarkJedi3P0 said:

hey I've got an idea!!

 

(though some may disagree)


When Leia goes outside to Luke to ask whats wrong and Luke asks Leia about her mother, altering the music to "Across the Stars" soft version from Attack of the Clones would fit nearly perfectly :D to symbolize Padme's theme,

Although, its understandable not to do this as Leia may not have been referring to Padme, and rather her adoptive mother (who allegedly may have died sometime after ROTS)

 

 

Maybe be a small fragment could be mixed into the Luke/Leia theme, (a sadly underused theme) i think there is a very quiet movement in one of the variations which has a very similar tempo to the Luke/Leia theme?

Music Droid Noo'eitchya?

Yes, given that Leia can't really know what she's recalling, "just feelings" as she says, it's vague. Either way, we know she didn't know her mother. I wouldn't change any music to prequel music unless the piece I was replacing was particularly unsuccessful as it stands. I hate homogenising everything into one identical lump. Somewhere in the 12 years since the Special Editions people have started to want that, whereas I prefer each movie to have its own aesthetic, its own identity. So what if Imperial Shuttles never appeared before Jedi and then they're everywhere. We didn't see A wings or B wings, Mon Calamari and their cruisers, and any number of other designs before they featured, but so what? Seeing new designs actually used to be something that appealed about these movies.

Darth Venal said:

 

Yes, given that Leia can't really know what she's recalling, "just feelings" as she says, it's vague. Either way, we know she didn't know her mother. I wouldn't change any music to prequel music unless the piece I was replacing was particularly unsuccessful as it stands. I hate homogenising everything into one identical lump. Somewhere in the 12 years since the Special Editions people have started to want that, whereas I prefer each movie to have its own aesthetic, its own identity. So what if Imperial Shuttles never appeared before Jedi and then they're everywhere. We didn't see A wings or B wings, Mon Calamari and their cruisers, and any number of other designs before they featured, but so what? Seeing new designs actually used to be something that appealed about these movies.

QFT.

Speaking of that Leia/Luke scene:

Anyone else find it kind of odd that Leia doesn't seem to have much reaction to the fact that since Luke is her bro and Vader is his pa, that also makes Vader her father too?

In fact, she even says to Luke: "WTF?! Your father?!"

Yes Leia and YOUR father too.

Yes but it's not the order that she's told. It's that after she seems to have no reaction to her true family. Maybe it was too much for one movie?

Darth Chronus said:

shanerjedi said:

Yes but it's not the order that she's told. It's that after she seems to have no reaction to her true family. Maybe it was too much for one movie?

Ah yes, sorry, I actually focused a little bit on the 'WTF...your father?' part of your post. I do know what you're talking about :)

Yeah, Leia doesn't really say anything in the vain of 'Damnit, I should have known that bastard was my father!'

Lol :)

It's not a huge issue for me but it has made me wonder over the years if ROTJ, by compressing so many things into one film, really missed a chance to finish off the saga in a truly epic way. Too much of the film ties up things quickly and then moves on.

Why not put something like this hologram on the Death Star during the Battle of Endor?

Ghost said:

Why not put something like this hologram on the Death Star during the Battle of Endor?

Yeah but where?

That decision would be up to Adywan.  I really don't know.  It would really add some consistecy with the prequels.

Mabey the Emperor could pull it up from the ground with the force when he says to Luke, "You're friends are walking into a trap."

 That wouldn't be hard to do.

But see, that kinda stuff can quickly lead to things being crammed into the films for no reason. I mean, it's decades after the prequels. The holograms don't have to look the same.

One of the reasons I loved ESB when I was a kid is because it wasn't SW2. It was its own thing.

So we shouldn't lose sight of what makes each film unique in its own right.

But why would Palpatine master of the dark side of the Force bother to do that when explaining his fiendish plot to Luke, a Jedi Knight?

It would turn Palpatine into a prune faced evil version of Doc Brown (or Ric Olie).

Angel did a mockup of holograms showing the space battle but the only people monitoring the ground battle would be the Imperials.

Perhaps something like that could be in Jerjerrod's control room (he hasn't got some mystical energy field to keep him up to spec and the energy shield is important to keeping his sphere of influence turning).

If he is to destroy Endor should the shield fall he might monitor the ground battle but really all he needs is a red light saying "Shield down blow up moon", just as Ackbar had one saying, "Shield down blow up Death Star."

Good points.

Also, do you think it would work to put the Luke on Dagobah scenes at the beginning of the movie.  It would make the whole Luke a master Jedi thing more believable.

Then after that show him flying to Jabba's.  That would be a pretty CG scene.

how about inside the shield generator when the rebels bust in :)

Ghost said:

Good points.

 

Also, do you think it would work to put the Luke on Dagobah scenes at the beginning of the movie.  It would make the whole Luke a master Jedi thing more believable.

 

Then after that show him flying to Jabba's.  That would be a pretty CG scene.

That's what a lot of us want, it makes Yoda's death scene less stupid too (he's held on to life long enough to finish teaching Luke rather dying in the middle of a conversation after giving him a very quick crash course).

It also starts the film on a double down note that only picks up when our heroes rescue Han.

Yoda dies, The Emperor has a new Death Star, Chewie is captured, Han is still captured, Leia is captured, the droids are captured , Luke is captured (suddenly ROTJ starts to feel like ESB).

We get one hurrah and then act II kicks in and it starts all over again.

I direct you, if you haven't been there yet to doubleofive's lovely list of all our hopes (it contains links to SSWR's Fan-O-Matics which are pretty much along the lines you mention and lots of nice brain and eye candy) :

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

Bingowings said:

It would turn Palpatine into a prune faced evil version of Doc Brown (or Ric Olie).

Evil version of me? Isn't possible that I'm evil? What if the Ric you thought you were serving no longer exists, and I have become the very evil you've been fighting to destroy?

DarkJedi3P0 said:

how about inside the shield generator when the rebels bust in :)

But there's not a battle then so what would be the point?

Bingowings said:

Ghost said:

Good points.

 

Also, do you think it would work to put the Luke on Dagobah scenes at the beginning of the movie.  It would make the whole Luke a master Jedi thing more believable.

 

Then after that show him flying to Jabba's.  That would be a pretty CG scene.

That's what a lot of us want, it makes Yoda's death scene less stupid too (he's held on to life long enough to finish teaching Luke rather dying in the middle of a conversation after giving him a very quick crash course).

It also starts the film on a double down note that only picks up when our heroes rescue Han.

Yoda dies, The Emperor has a new Death Star, Chewie is captured, Han is still captured, Leia is captured, the droids are captured , Luke is captured (suddenly ROTJ starts to feel like ESB).

We get one hurrah and then act II kicks in and it starts all over again.

I direct you, if you haven't been there yet to doubleofive's lovely list of all our hopes (it contains links to SSWR's Fan-O-Matics which are pretty much along the lines you mention and lots of nice brain and eye candy) :

http://doubleofive.wordpress.com/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

This is one of the main reasons for doing it. It really shows how dire things are. It would increase the tension and up the stakes too to have Yoda gone before he goes to Jabba.

It would also make Chewie telling Han that Luke is a jedi knight make more sense.

Speaking of the fans wish list:

bingo, in your Luke goes to Tatooine and Kenobi's hut after Yoda's death(brilliant idea by the way), you show a picture of 3PO with the falcon in the background. Well, there is that 3po shot already in existence from AOTC where 3po sees "master Anakin" again after a long time. It's already on Tatooine. It already has 3PO. The only decision would be the background. You might be able to just keep it and then "golden" up the droid without any other changes.

I'm trying to remember if that AOTC shot had a tracking move or not.

The problem with using the AOTC's footage is Threepio is so mucky that a simple re-colour may not be enough (we could give it a try).

That illustration was a place holder for Threepio explaining that Leia has lost patience waiting for Luke and has prematurely started her side of the rescue (which would chime with the latest family revelation that Ben has to give Luke).

She has no patience...she is a Skywalker...she puts her emotional attachment to Han before her head.

For that a bit of audio trawling is needed to create the dialogue.

Luke is easy, "Leia?", "No!".

Threepio needs to say something like "Master Luke...The Princess, I tried to stop her" (nothing too complicated).

That way everyone getting captured isn't part of Luke's plan, sending the Trojan Horse in Artoo is a rescue plan to the rescue plan.

It also set up the dispair he is feeling before Ben turns up (not just because Yoda is dead but because Leia has mucked up his plans).

I would swap the entrances into Jabba's court around so that Boussh arrives to a calm palace (he's a bounty hunter with a claim to make, he doesn't have to fight his way in).

When the droids turn up it's in the middle of a party (he has cause to celebrate) ending in Oola taking a tumble (it would mean adding slave Leia in but Oola's death would serve as a nasty warning for Jabba's new playmate though I can't figure out how to stop Leia from doing her "It's a trap!" shtick, maybe she's just away having her metal bra fitted).