Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 146

Davnes007 said:

Just something I noticed while doing a bit of editing.........

That shouldn't be to hard to fix. Good eye Dave!!!!!!!!

fishmanlee said:

rcb said:

fishmanlee said:

well the everybody in star wars isnt very smart if they cant figure out anakin and padme are married....

 

 obi-wan did, n i think yoda had a hunch.

 

 i mean like alot of the senate people or something

i mean there sleeping in the same room/bed! "oh senatoor i gotta protect youu!"

and its not like there isnt paparazzi in a galaxy far far away..

For that matter, it should be common knowledge, or at least widely suspected, that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker.

Force Kick

and an added bonus.

^Yes, that was hilarious! Thanks, qxx! :)

Made me laugh like the ol' "what if Obi-Wan had used force speed?" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg

Bingowings said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Davnes007 said:

Just something I noticed while doing a bit of editing.........

That shouldn't be to hard to fix. Good eye Dave!!!!!!!!

This is not what it seems.

Boba Fett's laser rifle has a built in rocket launcher which fires the front end of his gun completely over the heads of any attacker.

Utterly useless but it looks cool (and that's what counts isn't Mr Fett?).

Not only that, but it also shows how inexperienced Luke REALLY is as a Jedi, as he has still not mastered the art of blocking with his lightsaber... so in a sense, Boba won this round, and that is the evidence in the gif.

qxx said:

Force Kick

and an added bonus.

Boba: "MEANT TO DO IT!"

I guess that Robot Chicken skit was accurate after all!

^I'm guessing you're referring to something in the second Robot Chicken special? I haven't seen it yet. Gotta pick up the DVD sometime.

I would love to see that somewhere in ROTJ.

-Angel

I’ve decided to rewatch ROTJ (2004 DVD) and note some of the things that jump out at me.  Mostly I’m just going to list things that bother me.  I’m not going to try to come up with a specific fix for each of them.  Some of them are definitely unfixable.

I doubt there will be a whole lot of original or insightful content in this, but what the heck, I want to participate in the process, so I’m going to post my thoughts, and hope people will read them.

•  THREEPIO: Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place.

  1) It’s unnecessary exposition.  (Sometime between TESB and ROTJ, GL apparently fell in love with unnecessary exposition.)

2) It’s not even accurate exposition, as Chewbacca hasn’t been there yet.

3) This is Threepio we’re talking about, a droid who had to have his memory wiped because he couldn’t be trusted to keep his mouth shut.  I’m not sure it makes sense to let him know about Lando and Chewie’s infiltration plans before sending him into Jabba’s palace.  (The counterargument is that if you don’t tell him, and he sees Lando, he might be stupid enough to blow Lando’s cover by greeting him and asking what he’s doing there.)

My inclination is to omit this line. 


• The power droid being tortured with hot irons on its feet, and screaming in pain.  I don’t know whether this is supposed to be frightening, funny, or both, but it’s neither.
   
• Jedi Rocks with lots of CG aliens.  I prefer the Lapti Nek version of this scene.
   
• Oola in the Rancor pit.  I’m not sure why this bugs me.  Maybe it’s just because I’m more used to the other version.  I don’t think this clip adds anything to the film.  If anything, the Rancor pit is scarier if we just see her drop in and hear her scream, and don’t know what’s down there.  GL has enough restraint not to show us the actual Rancor at this point, but he does show us part of the pit, and I think it works better without that.
   
• The burping frog.  This film is rife with failed attempts at humor.  Here’s one.
  
  
• Luke using the force choke.  That’s kind of a Dark Side power, isn’t it?  I would expect a Jedi to use a less violent method of dealing with the guards.
  
  
• Luke, while in the Rancor pit, grabbing the bars of a “window” and shaking around as if trying to pull the bars out of the way and exit.  This just looks silly, and an intense scene like this is a bad time for unintended laughs.
  
  

• LUKE: That’s the last mistake you’ll ever make.

  I don’t like this line.  What is Luke trying to accomplish by saying this?  Villains like to say things like this to revel in the misfortune they are about to inflict on their victims, but Jedi don’t.  Luke doesn’t appear to have any delusions that saying something like this is going to make Jabba realize the mistake he’s making and change his mind, so he just comes across as Snidely Whiplash gloating over what he’s going to do.  (I don’t have the same problem with, “Jabba, this is your last chance: free us or die.”  It’s right to give him one more chance.  But that’s not what’s happening with the “last mistake” line.)
  
  
• On the way to the Sarlacc pit: something doesn’t look right about the shadows cast on the dunes by the barge and skiffs.  There are also a lot of obvious bluescreen effects.  (And Luke pronouncing “Lando” and “Landau,” but I guess that’s no worse than General Dodanna pronouncing “Leia” as “Lee-a.”)
  
  
• The CG Sarlacc: I prefer the 1983 Sarlaac.  The original Sarlacc looks like a force of nature, while the SE Sarlacc looks like a (relatively speaking) more ordinary animal.  The original is more frightening, IMO.
  
  
• Lando nodding at Luke before Luke is dropped into the pit.  Could Lando possibly be any more obvious?
  
  
• A lot of things in the ensuing action sequence happen much too slowly.
  
  The first is Luke standing and waiting a few seconds for the lightsaber to drop into his hand.  During this time, nobody reacts.  It would be nice if it could be reedited so that he grabs the lightsaber the moment he lands on the skiff.  Or even before he lands on the skiff.
  
  Boba Fett wraps up Luke in a cable, then just stands there and waits for a stray laser bolt to shake the skiff, and loses his balance rather easily.
  
  “Boba Fett?  Boba Fett?  Where?”  “AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!”  «burp»  Yet another failed attempt at humor, and an inappropriate end for Boba Fett.  This too is plagued by the “too slow” problem.  Boba Fett raises his weapon very, very slowly, then just waits.  This movement is unnaturally slow for anybody, and way beyond ridiculous for one of the galaxy’s best bounty hunters.  The only reason he moves so slowly is to give Han enough time for his “hilarious” bobafettbobafettwhere routine.
  
  Force Kick!
  
  Nobody seems to notice or care that Leia is strangling Jabba.
  
  Han, Chewie, and Lando are stationary and wide out in the open for a long time and nobody picks them off.  I realize that Luke is demanding a lot of attention, but with all the bad guys and all the area they cover, nobody could spare a half a second to get rid of these three?  Somebody inexplicably (really, really, really bad aim?) takes a few shots at the opposite end of the skiff instead of shooting our three heroes.
  
  It bugs me that Lando’s entire role in the rescue consists of falling into the pit so that Han and Chewie can spend the next couple of minutes rescuing him.
  
  

• LUKE: That’s right, Artoo, we’re going to the Dagobah system.

  Does Luke really need to tell Artoo what Artoo just said?  I’d cut out the “That’s right, Artoo” part, so it just looks like Artoo is asking where they’re going, and Luke answers, “We’re going to the Dagobah system.”
  
  
• Random note: Darth Vader is a lot taller in the OT than in his introduction in ROTS.  Of course, this is something that should be corrected in ROTS, not in the OT.
  
  

• EMPEROR: Everything is proceeded as I have foreseen.  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  That laugh really annoys me.  And it’s too early to telegraph the fact that the rebels are walking into a trap orchestrated by the Emperor.
  
  

• LUKE:  Yoda spoke of another.
  
  BEN:  The other he spoke of is your twin sister.
  
  LUKE:  But I have no sister.
  
  BEN:  To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born.  The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him.  That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.
  
  LUKE:  Leia!  Leia’s my sister.BEN:  Your insight serves you well.

  I’ve posted about this before.  I don’t like the idea that Luke was hidden from Vader by placing him with the Larses.  Yes, that was GL’s intent, but I don’t like it.  Leia may have been hidden, but not Luke.  So I’d like to remove the reference to hiding Luke.  Maybe something like this:

  LUKE:  Yoda spoke of another.
  
  BEN:  The other he spoke of is your twin sister.
  
  LUKE:  But I have no sister.
  
  [BEN sits silently.  LUKE has a flashback to the end of TESB, when he used the Force to call out to Leia and she heard him.]
  
  LUKE:  Leia!  Leia’s my sister.
  
  BEN:  Your insight serves you well.

  
  
  
• General Solo.  When Han left Hoth, he was a Captain.  He has spent the bulk of his time since then encased in carbonite.  Somehow, while encased in carbonite, he skipped right over Major and Colonel and became a General.
  
  
• General Calrissian.  Even more ridiculous.  On Cloud City, he made a deal with the Empire and betrayed his friends in the Rebellion.  When the Empire broke the deal and it became clear that he would be really screwed if he stayed, he rescued Leia and Chewie, who were the only ones who could give him a safe place to go.  Now this weasel is a General in the Rebellion.  Ugh.  It’s like the Star Trek thing where everybody becomes an Admiral when they get old enough.
  
  
• When Admiral Ackbar addresses the assembly, the movement of his mouth does not sync well with his words.
  
  

• LEIA: Wonder who they found to pull that off?

  She can’t think of anybody?  Like there aren’t a lot of brave, capable officers in the Rebellion?
  
  

• HAN:  My team’s ready.  I don’t have a command crew for the shuttle.
  
  CHEWIE: «growl»
  
  HAN: It’s gonna be rough, pal.  I didn’t want to speak for you.
  
  CHEWIE: «growl»
  
  HAN: That’s one.

  Han didn’t talk to Chewie about this before the meeting?
  
  

• HAN: I just got a funny feeling, like I’m not gonna see her again.

  False foreshadowing. 

That’s all for now.  More another day.

Davnes007 said:

Just something I noticed while doing a bit of editing.........

I'm guessing you weren't working on my idea then, because you wouldn't have this problem. ;-)

doubleofive said:

Davnes007 said:

Just something I noticed while doing a bit of editing.........

I'm guessing you weren't working on my idea then, because you wouldn't have this problem. ;-)

Actually, it was while working on your request that I noticed it. When I was going frame-by-frame to edit it out, I happened to catch it. :D

Davnes007 said:

doubleofive said:

Davnes007 said:

Just something I noticed while doing a bit of editing.........

I'm guessing you weren't working on my idea then, because you wouldn't have this problem. ;-)

Actually, it was while working on your request that I noticed it. When I was going frame-by-frame to edit it out, I happened to catch it. :D

Shhhh, you'll ruin everything!

New shot. Almost complete ;)

For ROTJ and ESB! who knows

-Angel

Angel your gonna kill me for this buuuuuttt.....

Wouldn't you be able to see the Star destroyers main hull from that angle, not to mention the rest of the command tower?

BarBar Jinkx said:

Angel your gonna kill me for this buuuuuttt.....

Wouldn't you be able to see the Star destroyers main hull from that angle?

Yeah. I know.

I said almost done :P

No kills for today ;)

-Angel

Angel, how are you creating these different angles of the bridge?

adywan said:

Angel, how are you creating these different angles of the bridge?

I was going to ask that too.  Are those paintings?

Shh!

-Angel

Holy angel crap!-... I mean....Holy crap, Angel!  :P

Those pics really are amazing!