That last picture with the ring reminds me of Unicron.
Ripplin said:That last picture with the ring reminds me of Unicron.
I summoned you for a purpose.... :)
Anyways
Someone you allready know some others no.
take a look. never bothered to post it before :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aXqel4hwjE&feature=PlayList&p=8C797B64E9171297&index=9
-Angel
The FX shots in Tydirium are most impressive. Really well rendered, nearly all of it. But the live action isn't very well shot at all, they haven't taken any care with lighting whatsoever and it undermines what is obviously a work of passion. Some of it could easily be improved in post, but obviously not all their people are as good as they could be.
But still, very impressive indeed.
oh_riginal said:Bingowings said:oh_riginal said:Bingowings said:Personally I never liked the way the weapon fired in the first place.
There is a big dish with a nipple in the middle so it just makes more sense to me that the smaller beams focused on the nipple thing (technincal term) and the large ray fired out of it and was focused by the dish.
Having everything fire out into space and meet there looks suitably science fantasy but doesn't really make much sense visually.
If you're talking about the appearance of the laser firing in ANH and ROTJ and how different they look, I 100% agree, and this has always bothered me.
If I had been on the forums before ANH:R, I might have requested to make the laser firing of the ANH Death Star to be more like the ROTJ Death Star. It probably would even be one of the easier effects to create! Just add an extra laser beam coming out of the center of the dish upon firing.
In my opinion, it just "looks right" to have it that way in ROTJ.
No and yes.
I was saying that I don't really like the way the Death Star fires in either film, I'd have the beams meet right above the surface of the dish and have the central beam come out of the hole in the middle, I'll see if I can do a mockup later.
Ohhh... I think I see what you're saying. Looking forward to the mock-up!
Forgive as always the crudity of this mockup:
Here's the classic Death Star firing method:
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As you can see the minor lasers fire into the space above the dish and combine to form a single beam.
Here the minor lasers fire towards the central hole in the dish and which focus together with the central beam :
Maybe someone else can do a better render of the same idea?
Bingowings said:Maybe someone else can do a better render of the same idea?
If i wasn't witness this with my eyes i could say that you hacked my pc because i was making what you made ( with some enhancements) 2 days ago.
:D
Now we both know that is an awesome idea hehe
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-Angel
vaderios said:Bingowings said:Maybe someone else can do a better render of the same idea?
If i wasn't witness this with my eyes i could say that you hacked my pc because i was making what you made ( with some enhancements) 2 days ago.
:D
Now we both know that is an awesome idea hehe
EDIT:
-Angel
I like the idea. It makes the dish seem to have more of a purpose than before. Too bad this idea wasn't brought up for ANH:R too.
It somehow, just so slightly, reminds me how the laser in ID4 builds up, for some reason. But more Star Wars-y (of course).
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
Groovy!
Darth Venal said:Monroville:
(sigh)
Because explosions are pretty instantaneous. Haven't you seen Mythbusters? Regardless, that was a ROTJ Wishlist item thought up to possibly explain how the Falcon could have the time to escape the DS2 even in a semi-realistic fashion, as short of the DS2 being made out of flammable material or the Emperor putting gasoline over everything to torch his bad investment and get the insurance money, the only thing blowing the DS up is the reactor...which we see blow up behind the Falcon... while they're still inside the DS2.No offence, but that's nonsense. There's no point (sighing) when you're logic is wrong. Nothing is instantaneous. The explosion begins at the reactor core and spreads outwards consuming the Death Star, which is approximately 900km across. Now, you show me an explosion that starts at a central point like that and quote "instantaneously" fills a 900km space without having to spread to fill it first, and I'll concede the argument. And Mythbusters? You have got to be kidding. You seem to be mistaking the difference between ignition and shockwave/wavefront. Obviously ignition is pretty instantaneous, but no shockwave is. Fast, yes. Instantaneous, no. And again, the Death Star II is 900km in diameter, it is not a silly Mythbusters demo on an airfield.
I find your point of view slightly absurd. The Falcon already has time to escape because the explosion needs to engulf the Death Star.
Weird.
Darth, you're really being a dick about this. The "instantaneous" I refer to is how "instantaneous" an explosion is to mere humans such as ourselves. When something is moving at 20,000 miles per second, it may as well be "instantaneous" to us, or a spaceship like the Falcon which has to fly much slower than 20,000 miles per second flying through DS2 construction.
Your logic is trying to say a really fast hot-rodded car can outrun a nuclear blast AT THE SOURCE. Yes, nothing is instant - everything takes a few milliseconds at least for a reaction. But to HUMANS it may as well be, and the DS2 is not powered by hamsters on a treadmill.
Besides, this is a WISHLIST!!!!!!! As in, a suggestion for others to read, scratch their chin (or other hairy body parts) and think: "hmm, that could be a good idea!" or "hmm, that's just plain silly!"
You want to make an argument about logic? The whole point of the MYTHBUSTERS example is to show real explosions. Yes, they are ignited, much like how the Falcon ignited the reactor - it just didn't blow up on its own. Yes, explosions are not "instantaneous", but something happening within milliseconds is a hell of lot different than taking a leisurely walk through the woods. Shit man, ever hear of SUPERNOVAS?
You know, I'm tired of this. Or as Tyler Durdan would say: "This conversation is OVER"
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Davnes007 said:Just made a little video showing a weird idea that popped into my head one day. I don't think it'll ever actually be used in any edit, but I just had to share it with you guys. Enjoy :)
wow! that is one of ur best vids. i love the paramount pictures vid on the side of the carbonite
Monroville:
Darth, you're really being a dick about this. The "instantaneous" I refer to is how "instantaneous" an explosion is to mere humans such as ourselves. When something is moving at 20,000 miles per second, it may as well be "instantaneous" to us, or a spaceship like the Falcon which has to fly much slower than 20,000 miles per second flying through DS2 construction.
Your logic is trying to say a really fast hot-rodded car can outrun a nuclear blast AT THE SOURCE. Yes, nothing is instant - everything takes a few milliseconds at least for a reaction. But to HUMANS it may as well be, and the DS2 is not powered by hamsters on a treadmill.
Besides, this is a WISHLIST!!!!!!! As in, a suggestion for others to read, scratch their chin (or other hairy body parts) and think: "hmm, that could be a good idea!" or "hmm, that's just plain silly!"
You want to make an argument about logic? The whole point of the MYTHBUSTERS example is to show real explosions. Yes, they are ignited, much like how the Falcon ignited the reactor - it just didn't blow up on its own. Yes, explosions are not "instantaneous", but something happening within milliseconds is a hell of lot different than taking a leisurely walk through the woods. Shit man, ever hear of SUPERNOVAS?
You know, I'm tired of this. Or as Tyler Durdan would say: "This conversation is OVER"
First of all, when was the last time you saw an explosion move at 20,000 miles per second? Second, the Death Star explosion doesn't move anywhere near that fast, and there's absolutely nothing to suggest it does. So your entire point is rather moot. And you say instantaneous to things as small as humans. Yes, but we're talking about a spaceship with the ability to move away from an explosion at great speed. If you're going to use an analogy, try to at least make it relevant.
And now you're throwing supernovae into the mix? Between Mythbusters and supernovae you've come up with some absurd connection that you think dismisses my argument. What do those two things have to do with the Death Star exploding? The demonstrations on Mythbusters have absolutely no bearing on this discussion, and supernovae are immensely more powerful events than the Death Star exploding. A supernova occurs in stars with about nine times the mass of our Sun, the Death Star II is a mostly-hollow machine 900km across. Where's the relevance?
Sorry, but if someone countering your point because they think you're wrong is being a dick, then so be it, I'm a dick.
Maybe we shouldn't think of it as ONE massive explosion, but a chain reaction of explosions. Certainly the Falcon could outrun a chain reaction. With some creative editing, I think one could convey the idea of things being overloaded and exploding instead of one huge explosion working its way outward. Maybe have the DS break apart instead of just pop (the last one popped, maybe since this one isn't fully built it could just break apart?). Just a thought.
Unless you just kill off Lando. Then you don't have to do anything. (If Fishman can post his mockups, then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
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doubleofive said:Maybe we shouldn't think of it as ONE massive explosion, but a chain reaction of explosions. Certainly the Falcon could outrun a chain reaction. With some creative editing, I think one could convey the idea of things being overloaded and exploding instead of one huge explosion working its way outward. Maybe have the DS break apart instead of just pop (the last one popped, maybe since this one isn't fully built it could just break apart?). Just a thought.
Unless you just kill off Lando. Then you don't have to do anything. (If Fishman can post his mockups, then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
I am still of the "Save Lando" camp, so I would go with the former idea, rather than the latter.
But don't we already get some minor Death Star destruction during the scene when Luke is dragging Vader to the shuttle? I thought there were sparks and other such things happening? Maybe enhancing some of that may work? I'd have to watch that scene again to see if that would even be possible.
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oh_riginal said:doubleofive said:Maybe we shouldn't think of it as ONE massive explosion, but a chain reaction of explosions. Certainly the Falcon could outrun a chain reaction. With some creative editing, I think one could convey the idea of things being overloaded and exploding instead of one huge explosion working its way outward. Maybe have the DS break apart instead of just pop (the last one popped, maybe since this one isn't fully built it could just break apart?). Just a thought.
Unless you just kill off Lando. Then you don't have to do anything. (If Fishman can post his mockups, then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
I am still of the "Save Lando" camp, so I would go with the former idea, rather than the latter.
But don't we already get some minor Death Star destruction during the scene when Luke is dragging Vader to the shuttle? I thought there were sparks and other such things happening? Maybe enhancing some of that may work? I'd have to watch that scene again to see if that would even be possible.
Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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vaderios said:Bingowings said:Maybe someone else can do a better render of the same idea?
If i wasn't witness this with my eyes i could say that you hacked my pc because i was making what you made ( with some enhancements) 2 days ago.
:D
Now we both know that is an awesome idea hehe
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-Angel
Now that is beautiful. Keep that around when Ady starts work on ROTJ:R
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits. Its a viable option for those who want to get away from the "outrunning an explosion" problem.
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doubleofive said:EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits. Its a viable option for those who want to get away from the "outrunning an explosion" problem.
I don't know why everyone is making such a fuss about the damn explosion. Hell you can't have an explosion like that in space anyway so let's just keep it the fictional world that it is.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:doubleofive said:EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits. Its a viable option for those who want to get away from the "outrunning an explosion" problem.
I don't know why everyone is making such a fuss about the damn explosion. Hell you can't have an explosion like that in space anyway so let's just keep it the fictional world that it is.
Personally I don't have a problem with it, I'm just throwing out ideas.
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doubleofive said:EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits.
Amen.
I don't feel bothered by the explosion of the Death Star. Yeah, so what if the first Death Star exploded in an instant! Luke still had time from when he shot his proton torpedo to get a good, safe distance away from the explosion.
It's the escape that is exciting to watch. It was definitely one of my favorite parts of ROTJ as a kid. The only thing that (barely at all) bothers me is that the Falcon takes way longer to reach the core than it takes for it to get back to the surface. It should be about the same amount of time, judging by the speed Lando is flying the ship both ways.
But, as I said, I'm barely bothered at all by that.
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doubleofive said:(If Fishman can post his "mockups", then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
Can you make a list of his mockups please? :)
-Angel
vaderios said:doubleofive said:(If Fishman can post his "mockups", then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
Can you make a list of his mockups please? :)
-Angel
I was debating on adding the quotation marks, thanks for clarifying the need to do so. ;-)
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doubleofive said:Maybe we shouldn't think of it as ONE massive explosion, but a chain reaction of explosions. Certainly the Falcon could outrun a chain reaction. With some creative editing, I think one could convey the idea of things being overloaded and exploding instead of one huge explosion working its way outward. Maybe have the DS break apart instead of just pop (the last one popped, maybe since this one isn't fully built it could just break apart?). Just a thought.
Unless you just kill off Lando. Then you don't have to do anything. (If Fishman can post his mockups, then I can certainly repost the only video one I've ever done!)
Watching this again reminds me of how funny I thought it was when I say the "title card"
"Anakin Dies :.("
Still makes me laugh!
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
oh_riginal said:doubleofive said:EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits.
Amen.
I don't feel bothered by the explosion of the Death Star. Yeah, so what if the first Death Star exploded in an instant! Luke still had time from when he shot his proton torpedo to get a good, safe distance away from the explosion.
It's the escape that is exciting to watch. It was definitely one of my favorite parts of ROTJ as a kid. The only thing that (barely at all) bothers me is that the Falcon takes way longer to reach the core than it takes for it to get back to the surface. It should be about the same amount of time, judging by the speed Lando is flying the ship both ways.
But, as I said, I'm barely bothered at all by that.
Well also you tend to do things better the second time around. Hell I thought I would never beat Tomb Raider but after I finally did I can beat in no time.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:oh_riginal said:doubleofive said:EyeShotFirst said:Ady isn't killing Lando. He said so himself.
Ah, but this is the Wishlist for any/all RotJ edits (and ESB, but most people tend to put their ESB ideas on Ady's thread). Killing Lando is still an option for some edits.
Amen.
I don't feel bothered by the explosion of the Death Star. Yeah, so what if the first Death Star exploded in an instant! Luke still had time from when he shot his proton torpedo to get a good, safe distance away from the explosion.
It's the escape that is exciting to watch. It was definitely one of my favorite parts of ROTJ as a kid. The only thing that (barely at all) bothers me is that the Falcon takes way longer to reach the core than it takes for it to get back to the surface. It should be about the same amount of time, judging by the speed Lando is flying the ship both ways.
But, as I said, I'm barely bothered at all by that.
Well also you tend to do things better the second time around. Hell I thought I would never beat Tomb Raider but after I finally did I can beat in no time.
I'm not sure "better" and "faster" can be interchangeable in Lando's situation.
But yeah, I remember being able to beat Super Star Wars in no time after the first time, way back when....
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oh_riginal said:I'm not sure "better" and "faster" can be interchangeable in Lando's situation.
"Faster, more intense." "It's not good enough."
-GL
I still like my idea of when the Falcon bumps the walls it gets really badly damaged and loses not just the dish but the top quad laser and much of the upper hull too.
By the time they destroy the reactor the fire is near the cockpit door.
