Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 109

vaderios said:

^Crap!I have enough headaches for now :P

 

Ben_danger said once:

"I always thought the emperors throne room would look interesting with a purple hue."

I didnt noticed that the throne room had some purple hue from its own in some SE shots :)

 I will not mention the copy paste :) but how i hate the red shadows.

-Angel

I've always hated that shot, when the Falcon turns, the SD's seem... off.

vaderios said:

^Crap!I have enough headaches for now :P

 

Ben_danger said once:

"I always thought the emperors throne room would look interesting with a purple hue."

I didnt noticed that the throne room had some purple hue from its own in some SE shots :)

 I will not mention the copy paste :) but how i hate the red shadows.

-Angel

Holy (beep)! That's amazing! I really wanted the end Endor space battle to look like the one at the start of 'Sith' (though much better), it seems that we're all like-minded and any ideas that I put down in a years time will have already been thought up of, lol.

Great stuff.

Darth Chronus said:

It seems that we're all like-minded and any ideas that I put down in a years time will have already been thought up of, lol.

Yeah.

Keep your ideas coming here :)

-Angel

Seeing Endor in those shots is awesome!

Some ideas for Endor battle:

Ideas that have been mentioned before:

(1) make the rebel fleet MUCH larger (hundreds of ships), but with smaller ships that are faster than the SDs.  Maybe instead of one singular fleet, there are multiple fleets that are enmassing and they all jump in at the same time (you could show said extra battle fleets jump in on the left and right side of the DS/Endor when they come out of hyperspace).  You could add a throw away line about remote controlled ships, ala the kamikaze transports,

(2) which would account for the massive damages the imperial fleet takes.  Ady (or anyone for that matter): reference the battle of Jutland or the battle at Okinawa - the latter of which was bloody as hell due to all of the kamikaze pilots ramming into US carriers.

(3) I don't know how, but I would either do something with Piett along the lines of Bingo's suggestions and have him do something heroic - if so, there would have to be a reason.  Maybe the Emperor goes nuts to a degree and has the DS laser do a swiping arc and starts to destroy both rebel and imperial ships.  Earlier in JEDI, someone could take one of the scenes from EMPIRE where Piett looks uneasy or upset and work it in to show he already has his doubts about what is going on.  Seeing the Emperor start to destroy everything just to get at the rebels could tip him over to give the order to attack the Death Star even if it is just to save his fleet.

I would still like to see something along the line of Piett shaking hands with one of the rebel generals at the teddy bear picnic to signify a true ending where the Empire COULD become a new republic.  Whether than means showing Piett escape, or having him (A) fire at the shield generator, which destroys it, then (B) rams the Executor into the DS, which takes out enough guns that the fighters have a clear path ahead to get into it.  In fact, how crazy would it be to see 2 TIE interceptors escorting the Falcon to the reactor (on orders from Piett)?

(4) for the general battle (before Piett gets his chance for redemption), I would also show the TIE interceptors taking a few hits before being destroyed (as they have new shields ala the X-wings, to show the Empire can adapt too) as well as get some more kills to show that the pilots have some actual skill.  I would also show an X-wing bounce around inside the DS pathway to the reactor as opposed to a more nimble TIE, whose pilot could possibly use his computer to input a trajectory, being that he could access a map of the DS (whereas the Falcon and co may not - unless there was a detailed map in the captured plans).

(5) EXECUTOR destruction: either Piett ramming into the Death Star per above, or have multiple kamikazi ships ram into it and overwhelm it with massive destruction.  I do like Vaderios' idea of having the Executor fire a barrage and maybe wiping out a good 10 or 20 mid-sized rebel ships in that one volley.

vaderios said:

Darth Chronus said:

It seems that we're all like-minded and any ideas that I put down in a years time will have already been thought up of, lol.

Yeah.

Keep your ideas coming here :)

-Angel

 

I will dude. I need to brainstorm some new stuff. I absolutely love your photoshop mock-ups on the first few pages - of the battle being closer to the throne room (ala Revenge of the Sith) :)

When the time comes for the production of ROTJ:R we're all gonna say that your idea definitely needs to be in the final version.

Monroville said:

I would still like to see something along the line of Piett shaking hands with one of the rebel generals at the teddy bear picnic to signify a true ending where the Empire COULD become a new republic.  Whether than means showing Piett escape, or having him (A) fire at the shield generator, which destroys it, then (B) rams the Executor into the DS, which takes out enough guns that the fighters have a clear path ahead to get into it.  In fact, how crazy would it be to see 2 TIE interceptors escorting the Falcon to the reactor (on orders from Piett)?

It would explain why the interceptor only fires at the Falcon ONCE!  LOL

Love the ideas.  It may be too radical to convey, but I still get chills when I think about Piett using the Executor against the Empire.

Monroville said:

Some ideas for Endor battle:

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You're a genius. :)

Nice Ideas there :D

Pity that Ady stated he will not do radical changes :(

I hope tho for a massive but MASSIVE fleet battle :)

-Angel

Well the good thing is that you wouldn't have to SHOW Piett or even another officer saying anything.  You could have someone who can do a good "Piett (don't know the actor's name)" and have a voice over a TIE cockpit scene per the order to guide the Falcon to the reactor (with the expected "what?!?!" from the pilot, though if the Emperor was mad enough to start wiping out everyone in his path, I don't think the fleet would be TOO far from agreeing with such an order if it was the only way to survive).

Similarly, you could dub in extra/alternate lines when Piett (or anyone) has his back to us.

My angle is along the lines of QUO VADIS and how even the Praetorian Guard turn against Nero when everyone realized he was the one who set Rome ablaze, not the Christians.  Also keep in mind the general mindset of the German army as compared to the SS - a good point of reference would be the scene in THE KEEP between Jurgen Prochnow and Gabriel Byrne: I would want to see an end that would truly be a relatively happy one.  Simply killing the Emperor does NOT stop the Empire, but if you had in essence the next in command making a truce after all the crap they took from Palps just to see a lot of your friends get killed... well that would settle things quite nicely.

PS: even before the Prequels, I always wished they had Chris Lee in JEDI as a imperial general plotting to take out the Emperor ala the Valkerie plot.  Maybe it would have been too much to add to what was already there, but if there was one STAR WARS movie that damn near needed to be LORD OF THE RINGS EXTENDED VERSION long, it was JEDI.


Vaderios:
we shall see what Ady has in store.  Maybe he is double jiving us, maybe not.  Like he said in a much earlier post, he always wanted to see Lando do an INDEPENDENCE DAY to the reactor ... until INDEPENDENCE DAY did it.  I still wouldn't mind seeing Lando sacrifice himself, but again I can go either way - I like the YAHOO too.

Even so, there are going to be some radical changes just due to the fact that he plans on remaking half to most of the battle footage, so you never know.  JEDI: REVISITED is a looong way away, so anything can change from here to there.

Monroville said:

PS: even before the Prequels, I always wished they had Chris Lee in JEDI as a imperial general plotting to take out the Emperor ala the Valkerie plot.  Maybe it would have been too much to add to what was already there, but if there was one STAR WARS movie that damn near needed to be LORD OF THE RINGS EXTENDED VERSION long, it was JEDI.

Lol, that's a pretty cool notion. And yeah I see your point with the last bit; Jedi needs a slight overhaul in some respects - it'll only make it a much stronger conclusion.

Speaking of conclusions, I still think that some form of Hayden Christensen should be included at the end. Someone mentioned morphing Christensen and Sebastian Shaw together (when we see the Force Ghost of Anakin at the end). And I think that would be perfect.

Darth Chronus said:

Someone mentioned morphing Christensen and Sebastian Shaw together (when we see the Force Ghost of Anakin at the end). And I think that would be perfect.

Sounds good but its not.

Useless transition that lead more confusion. with the same way we can have obi transformed to ben.

damn, Transformers are everywhere :D

Monroville said: I like the YAHOO too.

Why he can say it when he blows the reactor? :)

Im baaaaaaack!!! YEAHOOO!!!!!

-Angel

ben_danger said:

vaderios said:

^Crap!I have enough headaches for now :P

 

Ben_danger said once:

"I always thought the emperors throne room would look interesting with a purple hue."

I didnt noticed that the throne room had some purple hue from its own in some SE shots :)

 

gah! i stand corrected!:P the grey background does look alot better and sharper!:)

would it be appropriate to see endor from the emperors throne room? perhaps it could be hinted that the DSII rotates slightly, so endor moves abut the window.

The grey bg is awesome - a natural part of the whole colour correction :)

It would make sense for some of Endor to appear because the DSII is orbiting the it (wait - it's a moon of Endor right? I keep getting it muddled up because Palpatine says 'Sanctuary Moon')

ben_danger said:

would it be appropriate to see endor from the emperors throne room? perhaps it could be hinted that the DSII rotates slightly, so endor moves abut the window.

That is one of my priorities to check.

Do I have to mention  that the windows of the throne room should show the exterior or the tower in some shots?

Yes i can see this as artistic license and because i check it it gets busy..., but not correct.

First we have to see if the surface is visible from the tower.

I agree tho to place the throne room in the eye of the beast. much more sense and more safe. Aka TFU.

-Angel

ben_danger said:

vaderios said:

^Crap!I have enough headaches for now :P

 

Ben_danger said once:

"I always thought the emperors throne room would look interesting with a purple hue."

I didnt noticed that the throne room had some purple hue from its own in some SE shots :)

 

gah! i stand corrected!:P the grey background does look alot better and sharper!:)

would it be appropriate to see endor from the emperors throne room? perhaps it could be hinted that the DSII rotates slightly, so endor moves abut the window.

The grey bg is awesome - a natural part of the whole colour correction :)

It would make sense for some of Endor to appear because the DSII is orbiting the it (wait - it's a moon of Endor right? I keep getting it muddled up because Palpatine says 'Sanctuary Moon')

Hey guys, since ppl hated the hayden insert into ROTJ i thought what could i do to try and bring hayden to sebastian shaw. So after a couple of quick ideas i thought this is the most simple. I have made the hair slightly longer but not as long as hayden's. So half way between old anakin and new. Added scar the the left eye too, not too noticable but not distracting either lol. Hope u guys enjoy!

Cant help but see the Doc Brown when i look at sebastian shaw lmao. No! Marty! Gotta go to light speedlight but we need a current of 10 gigawatts!!!

HA HA HA!

Cute!

Jedi Einstein :)

-Angel

brash_stryker said:

DuTwan said:

 

 

 

Hey guys, since ppl hated the hayden insert into ROTJ i thought what could i do to try and bring hayden to sebastian shaw. So after a couple of quick ideas i thought this is the most simple. I have made the hair slightly longer but not as long as hayden's. So half way between old anakin and new. Added scar the the left eye too, not too noticable but not distracting either lol. Hope u guys enjoy!

 

Cant help but see the Doc Brown when i look at sebastian shaw lmao. No! Marty! Gotta go to light speedlight but we need a current of 10 gigawatts!!!

I think this is a VERY good idea. It immediately makes him more recognisable as the guy in the prequels, rather than a whole different person.

Also, WHAT THE HELL IS A GIGAWATT?! :P

I like that concept :) He needed longer hair and that's perfect tbh

1.21 GIGAWATTS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlrobvb-ao

Darth Chronus said:

brash_stryker said:

DuTwan said:

 

 

 

Hey guys, since ppl hated the hayden insert into ROTJ i thought what could i do to try and bring hayden to sebastian shaw. So after a couple of quick ideas i thought this is the most simple. I have made the hair slightly longer but not as long as hayden's. So half way between old anakin and new. Added scar the the left eye too, not too noticable but not distracting either lol. Hope u guys enjoy!

 

Cant help but see the Doc Brown when i look at sebastian shaw lmao. No! Marty! Gotta go to light speedlight but we need a current of 10 gigawatts!!!

I think this is a VERY good idea. It immediately makes him more recognisable as the guy in the prequels, rather than a whole different person.

Also, WHAT THE HELL IS A GIGAWATT?! :P

I like that concept :) He needed longer hair and that's perfect tbh

 

1.21 GIGAWATTS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlrobvb-ao

 

 haha thats wot i thought of wen i first said it. For some reason i think of him being in the cockpit of the millenium falcon! glad you guys like, might give it another go, maybe try and make things bit more natural.

Well someone's done this for a morph - but it's obviously a rough edit, like a quick and simple dissolve without any fx -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCHbuhFoIY&eurl

Though I like ur idea better :)