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I really appreciate the work people like adywan are doing on these edits. They are doing things that Lucas should have done a long time ago. I thought it would be cool to start a thread with ideas for ESB and ROTJ. If I could do these amazing special effects like adywan I would be all over this. This can be a sort of melting pot of ideas and discussions of what could be done.

ESB: Include dream view when Luke has visions of Han and Leia in Cloud City. If possible use the same effect that used in ROTS with Anakin’s dreams. here

ROTJ:
In scene where Luke defeats Vader, I thought it would be cool to give him Sith eyes. here He would have the sith eyes until he looks at his hand and takes that deep breath where they would fade out.

Add Luke’s saber glow to this scene here

And would it be possible to add slash marks to the members of Jabba’s crew when Luke strikes them. here

I know this is kinda much to ask, but I just think this whole process is very exciting and thought this would be a good chance for people to express their ideas without overrunning someones work page.

Let’s here those ideas!!!

Here is 005’s ROTJ wishlist/directory of ideas

ROTJ WISHLIST

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but there is no sabre glow in that scene. he'd turned it off for the jump.

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yeah I know. I just thought it would be cool if he had kept it on. You know he is in the middle of a battle. It does not seem right that he turns it off.
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Originally posted by: teharri
yeah I know. I just thought it would be cool if he had kept it on. You know he is in the middle of a battle. It does not seem right that he turns it off.

Well if you look frame by frame at the shot you will see that as luke jumps across luke actually has the the stunt saber with short blade that was used during filming so it would make sense that it was ignited. Something for me to think about for my edit i guess.

I don't think that Luke should have the sith eyes though. He never turned to the dark side so wouldn't have had them.

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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: teharri
yeah I know. I just thought it would be cool if he had kept it on. You know he is in the middle of a battle. It does not seem right that he turns it off.

Well if you look frame by frame at the shot you will see that as luke jumps across luke actually has the the stunt saber with short blade that was used during filming so it would make sense that it was ignited. Something for me to think about for my edit i guess.

I don't think that Luke should have the sith eyes though. He never turned to the dark side so wouldn't have had them.


Yeah I have always noticed that he was using the stunt saber. I am glad that you check out this thread. I thought this would be a good place to generate ideas. About the Sith eyes. I thought it would be cool because he was full of so much anger when he was beating down on vader. Then when he realizes what he is becoming he takes that deep breath. I always imagined it would look cool for him to have those eyes because he was giving in to the dark side. It would be cool to see that and then see him realize what he is doing and have those eyes fade away as he took that breath. This is just an idea i have been toying with in my mind.
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I've got a few ideas. I always thought it would be neat if a few rebel fighters crashed into the death star shield when they all pull up right before the battle in ROTJ (like they originally planed). Also, as I'm sure many people know, Vader is holding Luke's lightsaber when he taunts luke (when Luke is hiding). Instead of digitally erasing the saber in Vader's hand, I've always wanted to see the saber fly out of Vader's hand (assuming that Luke retrieved it with the force). Unnecessary, I know, but I've always thought it would be cool. It would also be cool to see gunner stations inside the death star (like originally planed, or at least toyed with). Maybe cloned elements from Episode IV could be used.

Something that always bothered me in ROTJ is a big black matte that covers half the screen when Vader is kicked down the stairs during the lightsaber duel. Its at the end of Vader's fall, right before the cut to the next shot. I guess it was done to cover up a crew member or some kind of goof. I always thought Lucas should have fixed whatever goof was there originally for the special editions, without covering half the screen. It would be cool if the actual background (what should be there) was matted into the shot to replace the black area.

Well, thats all I've got for now.
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I've mentioned it before in one of the Darth Editous threads, but I'd love to see the Greedo dialogue removed from the background noise in Jabba's palace.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
I've mentioned it before in one of the Darth Editous threads, but I'd love to see the Greedo dialogue removed from the background noise in Jabba's palace.


Yeah, I always thought that was a bit lazy of Mr Burtt.

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Then there's the little garbage spots on top of the Death Star in one of the battle shots. The shot is moving, the Death Star is moving, but all these little spots stay still, almost like they should be background ships but they forgot to move them with the rest of the shot...

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so what would be the best program to get for editing/special effects?
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I wonder if it were possible to change one of vader's line inb ROTJ. I think it would be cool to change vader's line from, " Obi-wan once thought as you do" to "Your mother once thought as you do". I know that Vader does not say "your mother" anywhere in the trilogy because I know that sound bite would never stop getting played. It is possible though to find someone who could do a good vader voice and dubb it since you do not have to worry about vader's mouth moving.

Also how about adding more ships to ROTJ space sequence like ady has done with ANH.
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I wonder if James Earl Jones said "Your Mother" in any other movie he's done.
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Originally posted by: teharri
I know that Vader does not say "your mother" anywhere in the trilogy because I know that sound bite would never stop getting played.


Too true!



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I noticed in the OOT that Vader's helmet in the "I am your father" scene wobbles a bit. I think that it could be stabilized. The SE might use different shots for these lines where it wobbles in the OOT, but I am not sure.

In the run between docking platforms on Cloud City, it can be seen in one shot that Leia carries a different revision of the stormtrooper blaster than in other shots - it has two greeblies on the scope rail that aren't present on the props(s) she is carrying in the other shots.
Edit: It is the shot when R2 tries to interface with a terminal but gets a jolt of electricity instead. Leia is holding the blaster stationary by her side, and there is only a white wall in the background. The shot is also very short, so all in all I think it that the extra greeblies can be painted over easily.

Oh.. And don't forget the goof in the ESB-SE with the stained-glass windows when Han, Leia and Chewie meet Vader. Replace the windows behind the stormtroopers with cityscape or reuse OT footage in the preceding shots (easier).

ROTJ
Of course, I absolutely hate the revisions made in the SE, and very much prefer a very alien Lapti Nek, Ewok Celebration and a ghosty Sebastian Shaw over the later revisions.

Personally, I dislike the droid torture and would like this shortened. I know people who absolutely love this scene and have Eve-9D9 as their favourite character ... so I am aware that a lot of people disagree with me. At least remove the cartoonish screams.

If possible, Jabba's lips could maybe be a little more articulated.

I think it would be great if Bib Fortuna's tentacles would move a little. Maybe tighten or loosen around his neck, or the tip of a tentacle wiggle a little. I think it would be most fitting when he is in the background.

In ESB, when Han Solo is lowered into the freezing chamber, he is wearing restraints around his arms, tied behind his back. These are not there when he falls out of the carbonite block!
They should either be removed in ESB or added in ROTJ. I think it would be easiest to remove them in ESB, but it would be better if it could be pulled off with them being there in ROTJ, just because they look cool ...

At least four different props were used as Luke's lightsaber in ROTJ. I think the most apparent difference is that the saber that is shot out of R2-D2 does not have the knob at the top of the emitter, which the other ones have. Could this be added?

Should Leia be present at Vader's funeral pyre? I am not sure of this myself, though. What do you think?
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Originally posted by: Darth Lars
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Should Leia be present at Vader's funeral pyre? I am not sure of this myself, though. What do you think?


This is an interesting question. At that time she knows he's her father so it would make sense, but on the other side, she hasn't made the same connection with Vader/Anakin as Luke did. Hmmm...
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No Leia at the pyre

I think it shows the end of Luke's personal journey nicely
and would detract from the ghosts scene where Leia comes to pull Luke back into group

My personal choices for improvements off the top of my head are

Smooth out the stop motion animation on Tauntauns and to a lesser extent AT-AT's & AT-ST's

Could something be done to make Boba Fett's following Han from the Star Destroyer's garbage a bit more realistic, it's hard to buy that Han wouldn't notice a tail that close. maybe Slave I could shoot a homing beacon onto the Falcon's hull and than follow at a reasonable distance.

The Emporer's holo conversation needs re-working to remove any confirmation that Luke is Vader's son - Just for the sake of watching them in released order

Vader's leaving Cloud City - all bad - doesn't sound like JE Jones (although I'm sure I read it is)

Fett's flirting in Jabba's Palace has to go - although I prefer the new musical number

Jawa's eyes to match ANH

Change Ewoks to Wookies - Pipe dream I know but improvements must be made please

All creaures throughout both ESB & ROTJ need Adywan's Cantina treatment

A couple of badly delivered lines "Our first catch of the day" escape from Hoth
and Jedi's Death Star battle"Copy Gold Leader" when Lando order's split and head back to the surface make me cringe
just a timing trim may fix these

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has anyone else noticed the lack of quality in ROTJ. If you compare ESB and ROTJ you will notice that ESB has a much better picture quality. I think it would be cool if someone could update the scene where the emperors dies. That shot just looks like a painting of a pit instead of an actual one.

Does anyone get what I am saying about ROTJ's picture quality?
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Lando and Leia seem to run much too slowly on the corridors of Cloud City.

Adywan's Cantina treatment seems logical.

Maybe more walkers added to the Hoth battle scene.

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Originally posted by: Darth Lars
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In ESB, when Han Solo is lowered into the freezing chamber, he is wearing restraints around his arms, tied behind his back. These are not there when he falls out of the carbonite block!
They should either be removed in ESB or added in ROTJ. I think it would be easiest to remove them in ESB, but it would be better if it could be pulled off with them being there in ROTJ, just because they look cool ...



The restraints are made from carbonite, so therefor melt when unfrozen


One of the things that bugs me from Jedi is the AT ST that gets crushed by the logs. Just watch how quickly the flames then smoke disappear. I'd understand if that was in a space battle, but on land...nope...just looks shit.


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Ewok's 'cuteness' could be lessend in the ROTJ.

Fighters in the Battle of Hoth rarely cast a shadow on the ground. In some scenes it is really noticable.
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Originally posted by: professa adyfan
No Leia at the pyre

I think it shows the end of Luke's personal journey nicely
and would detract from the ghosts scene where Leia comes to pull Luke back into group

I agree that Luke is the most important character at the pyre, but I think it makes sense that Leia is present somehow, even if she isn't in frame. I meant of course, that she should be there only if it works cinematically - with focus on Luke. Leia must not steal attention from Luke in that scene.
I'm not sure about this myself at all. Just wanted to bring it to discussion.


Smooth out the stop motion animation on Tauntauns and to a lesser extent AT-AT's & AT-ST's

Some animation has been smoothened in the DVD version of ESB. Is there a need for extra improvement?

Vader's leaving Cloud City - all bad - doesn't sound like JE Jones (although I'm sure I read it is)

Agreed. I also wish the "Bring my shuttle" scene could be moved earlier, but I am not sure that it could be done well. The new shots in ESB-SE try to solve the problem with Vader suddently appearing aboard his Star Destroyer after we had left him on Cloud City. I would prefer to see a better solution to the problem than all the new shots.
One possible way to go would be to insert Vader's shuttle far away in the background when Luke is being rescued. Maybe the shuttle could be yanked from the shot with the shuttle approaching the superstardestroyer

All creaures throughout both ESB & ROTJ need Adywan's Cantina treatment

It is easy to overdo it. Some are better to leave alone.
In my opinion, the bounty hunters on the Executor's bridge are the most important ones, because we see them close-up. Especially Bossk

A couple of badly delivered lines "Our first catch of the day" escape from Hoth.

Just please don't remove this. I love that line, because it shows the overconfidence of the Empire. Maybe different timing.

I watched a few scenes in ESB-OOT and ESB-SE today, so I have more suggestions:
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Edit: Restore this shot to the original. It looks ridicolous that they should suddenly be outside, and the sky is too red. The sky should change gradually.

In ESB-SE, when Lando announces that the Empire has taken control of the city, there are shots of lots of citizens just lounging about on a city square just like there is some big holiday celebration of some sorts. I like some "enhancements" to the Cloud City scenes, but not this particular shot.
In the OOT, this scene had shots of Lando interspersed with shots of R2-D2, but in the SE, R2's shots follow Lando's. The big question is if the SE footage is enough to recreate something that flows, or if the entire sequence has to be grabbed from the OOT.

In ESB-SE, in the shot where Lando grabs Leia from behind to drag her away from shooting to board the Millenium Falcon, there are windows behind her that weren't there before!
Please reuse OOT footage or add a window in the previous shot. I prefer the OOT footage, because that wall appears to be quite thick when you see the inset portal to the docking platform.
Maybe best technical solution would be a composition of DVD/HD and OOT footage.
Edit: This shot. The windows at the right can be kept as they are in the SE.

When Luke has entered the fin-like "reactor control" building and is attacked by Vader, the background behind Vader is of a curved corridor looking precisely like the one at their previous encounter.
The problem is that the fin-like building they are in is not curved! The inside does not match the outside. If possible, please replace the background in this shot with something else.

Edit: Overall, the sky color outside Cloud City should change gradually from blue to red, but this is done somewhat back-and-forth. I also think that the SE/2004 version is too red.

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Cut the Bantha herd or replace it with something else. It just looks fake. I love the music that is in the background, though... so I really don't want it shortened.

Use OOT footage of closeups of the Sarlacc where the SE shows the beak. I hate the beak - it looks like the plant-monster from Little Shop of Horrors.. I am just waiting for it to say "Feeeed meee".
The real set was sand-colored inside. If there is a shot of it straight down, then the pit should be dark in the middle.
I think the tentacles shouldn't come about until at least one person has fallen in.

In closeups of the lightsabers, give them a whiter core and make the two blades blend in better where they contact, or put a yellow flare here.

Redo Vader's flying lightsaber. The blade is coming out of the wrong end.

The footage from the DVD version of the Ewok celebration is OK. I just miss the old music.

Use a serene-looking Sebastian Shaw at the end. Hayden Christensen just looks embarrased.

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Oh, and use high-def source material if possible! I think that performing color correction on HD footage before scaling down to DVD format would yield better DVD picture quality than starting off with footage in DVD format.
Make sure that the credits match what we see on screen. For instance, in ROTJ-SE, the credits to the people behind the musical numbers has been removed. James Earl Jones should be credited alongside Dave Prowse (and Sebastian Shaw).
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Say "bye bye" to blue stars and blue snow and ice.....

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