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Broom Kid said:

Acknowledging that there are bad fan-edits (and a lot of them) isn’t cynicism, nor is it lack of imagination or “belief in possibilities.” It’s just… how it is. There are bad fan-edits. There are great ones too. And many of those great ones were concieved of and executed right here on this forum. And a lot of the “amazingly great” leaps in VFX and sound also happened here, and are happening almost daily anymore. That has nothing to do with my belief system or my imagination (or lack thereof) either.

Anyway: there’s no secret cut of The Rise of Skywalker. Never has been. And if there are deleted scenes, there’s no guarantee (until we see them) that they’ll be good, or usable, and even if they are, it’s up to whoever is making the new edit to implement them well.

The idea that fan-editors are somehow infallible or not susceptible to the same sort of bad decisionmaking professional filmmakers are just as prone to doesn’t make any sense to me. Fan-editors can get lost down rabbit-holes and lose the forest for the trees and make bad calls based on poor instincts just as easily as any of the people who turned out Rise of Skywalker or Batman v. Superman.

It’s what makes the successes (of which there’s been many) that we see here that much more enjoyable. If it was so easy to do, and so regularly done, it wouldn’t be as exciting and rewarding to watch a good one get made. That’s appreciating imagination, not evidence of lacking it.

Of course there are some not-so-great fan edits, I was pointing out how negative your post was and you still keep going. No one said that “fan editors are infallible”, etc. But whatever makes you feel better, bro. Peace out.

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I don’t buy that Disney prevented JJ from releasing his cut of the movie. TROS reeks of JJ’s obsession over redoing the OT and Terrio’s terrible writing.

Not only that, but Disney hates to admit they are wrong in anything, to the point they’re not even including deleted scenes because they know people will hate on them for “not including scene ______”. There’s no chance even if a JJ cut existed that it would be released.

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I really don’t see the point in not releasing deleted scenes much like Solo or Rogue One unless there were such drastic changes that LucasFilm wanted to sweep that footage under the rug.

There is no reason why fully filmed scenes (like the Eye of Webbish Bog, the one or two additional Rose scenes, the full Luke / Leia training sequence, Lando’s daughter backstory, etc.) wasn’t made available in the same way Last Jedi’s or every Lucas-fronted Star Wars movie has. Even TFA had them for as sparse as they were.

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My take on that is that JJ and Terrio rewrote and reshot so much that the scenes that ended up getting deleted didn’t really match the rest of the film.

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idir_hh said:

My take on that is that JJ and Terrio rewrote and reshot so much that the scenes that ended up getting deleted didn’t really match the rest of the film.

This. I can’t think of examples off the top of my head, but I’ve seen deleted scenes from multiple films throughout my life that were clearly deleted, rewritten, and refilmed before the rest of the movie was set in stone, menaing that deleted scene no longer can function in any version of the film since the scenes that supported it (or that it set up) were never filmed.

That’s got to be the situation for RO, Solo, and TROS - these movies were clearly so much in flux during filming that most of the scenes that were cut are so incompatible with the remaining scenes that they probably start subplots that were never finished, or include characters that no longer exist (Matt Smith, anyone?), and Disney doesn’t want to show just how much changes happened during and after filming, so they just skipped on including any deleted scenes.

I imagine we’ll see them eventually. Once having demonstrable evidence of how much tinkering was actually done can no longer negatively affect revenue in a significant way.

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I think we’ll get to see the deleted scenes at some point. They’ll probably be included in the $600 38 disc ultimate super-duper collector’s limited edition 8K box set of all the films, in like ten years. I would love to get a book or documentary about the behind-the-scenes story of this film (as well as all of Disney Star Wars for that matter). I don’t think there’s some mythical perfect cut out there or anything like that. But it would be so fascinating to find out just how much was reworked and why.

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There is no way that JJ is proud of this cut. This is not the caliber of film he would make. I know he is a hit and miss guy (some times), but this movie was a mess, not a JJ standard. I guarantee there was a lot of executives who were meddling with the story. I am sure there is a cut that JJ would prefer to have out, but the big wigs have the final say. JJ, or any director/actor, is always gonna respond to the media with excellent feed back regarding their work because it is in the best interest of the company and the film. He’s not gonna bash the hand that feeds him or something he co-created. He probably is just done with the lack of leadership and direction going on at LUCAS-FILM.

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NeverarGreat said:

Broom Kid said:

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

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JJ Abrams?

The fact there are movies that were “meddled in” (again - movies having turbulent production is a fact of movies. Was Empire Strikes Back “Meddled with?” Or just MADE?) doesn’t mean JJ’s was. I’m taking the history of the production (which is very public) and plenty of their own words (just as public) and also taking into account the man’s larger filmography, of which this is very consistent.

There is no “secret cut” - the question of one is clickbait from conspiracist YouTubers who are scumming for subscribes. It gains traction because people think the act of making movies is much more clandestine and covert than it really is, and they’re not familiar (despite watching hours upon hours of behind the scenes footage they’ve since mythologized) with things like “Assembly Cuts” so when they hear about a film having an Assembly Cut, they “report” it to their breathless subscribers as some sort of secret hidden cut that’s being withheld from the TRUE FANS.

Unless you’re trying to gain subscribers for Google ad money, there’s nothing in it for anyone to perpetuate any idea beyond “JJ Abrams made a bad movie.” He made a bad movie full of bad decisions. He’s done it before. So has George Lucas. Star Wars fans should, at this point, have come to terms with the fact it’s a 50/50 shot their movie is going to be ok when it comes out. There’s no real point in searching for excuses when it doesn’t, because it happens so frequently it shouldn’t be a surprise or a Miss Marple Mystery to dig into as to WHY it happened.

Abrams did this to himself. Dunno why anyone would think otherwise. All the evidence is out in the open and offered up freely. He’s not a beleagured artist being oppressed by suits. He IS the suits. If there was corporate meddling, he IS that meddling. He was called in to “fix” the movie, and this is what his fix looked like. He blew it, and that’s on him. It’s not really any more complicated than that. There’s no secret cut of this movie.

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Tammer5 said:

There is no way that JJ is proud of this cut. This is not the caliber of film he would make. I know he is a hit and miss guy (some times), but this movie was a mess, not a JJ standard. I guarantee there was a lot of executives who were meddling with the story. I am sure there is a cut that JJ would prefer to have out, but the big wigs have the final say. JJ, or any director/actor, is always gonna respond to the media with excellent feed back regarding their work because it is in the best interest of the company and the film. He’s not gonna bash the hand that feeds him or something he co-created. He probably is just done with the lack of leadership and direction going on at LUCAS-FILM.

Umm, have you forgotten the Star Trek reboot movies? Those were pretty awful. I don’t think it’s impossible for JJ to make a bad movie, he’s done it before. And there’s no tangible evidence in any of the BTS stuff that suggests meddling producers. The whole reason we know about the “creative disputes” in the spinoff movies is because it was pretty out in the open, not secret at all. I can’t imagine why they’d suddenly try to hide production issues in TROS.

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It’s just JJ plus a big rush.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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StarkillerAG said:

Tammer5 said:

There is no way that JJ is proud of this cut. This is not the caliber of film he would make. I know he is a hit and miss guy (some times), but this movie was a mess, not a JJ standard. I guarantee there was a lot of executives who were meddling with the story. I am sure there is a cut that JJ would prefer to have out, but the big wigs have the final say. JJ, or any director/actor, is always gonna respond to the media with excellent feed back regarding their work because it is in the best interest of the company and the film. He’s not gonna bash the hand that feeds him or something he co-created. He probably is just done with the lack of leadership and direction going on at LUCAS-FILM.

Umm, have you forgotten the Star Trek reboot movies? Those were pretty awful. I don’t think it’s impossible for JJ to make a bad movie, he’s done it before. And there’s no tangible evidence in any of the BTS stuff that suggests meddling producers. The whole reason we know about the “creative disputes” in the spinoff movies is because it was pretty out in the open, not secret at all. I can’t imagine why they’d suddenly try to hide production issues in TROS.

First Star Trek movie was alright, if a bit shallow at times.

Then it went downhill.

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Never was a fan of JJ outside of Force Awakens (and maybe Super 8) to be honest, and the former was thanks to having his OT redux look presentable at first glance with Kasdan’s writing chops. Oh right, to “help” JJ, let’s add the writer responsible for some of the worst written DC movies but kick out Trevorrow for a box office flop he didn’t even do the screenplay for while he already had a fleshed-out end point for Star Wars… the FUCK kinda decision making is that?

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Are we forgetting that Solo actually had deleted scenes?

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ChainsawAsh said:

idir_hh said:

My take on that is that JJ and Terrio rewrote and reshot so much that the scenes that ended up getting deleted didn’t really match the rest of the film.

This. I can’t think of examples off the top of my head, but I’ve seen deleted scenes from multiple films throughout my life that were clearly deleted, rewritten, and refilmed before the rest of the movie was set in stone, menaing that deleted scene no longer can function in any version of the film since the scenes that supported it (or that it set up) were never filmed.

That’s got to be the situation for RO, Solo, and TROS - these movies were clearly so much in flux during filming that most of the scenes that were cut are so incompatible with the remaining scenes that they probably start subplots that were never finished, or include characters that no longer exist (Matt Smith, anyone?), and Disney doesn’t want to show just how much changes happened during and after filming, so they just skipped on including any deleted scenes.

I imagine we’ll see them eventually. Once having demonstrable evidence of how much tinkering was actually done can no longer negatively affect revenue in a significant way.

This is how I feel too, it’s not so much that there is some alternative cut no more than DotF is an alternative movie, but what people are curious about are all and any potential changes made to the story.

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The cut we have is the only cut. This is the version with the locked picture, foley, adr and score composed to a finished edit. There is no JJ Cut or Lucas cut period.
Though there is a ton of deleted scenes in unfinished shape that are left unreleased. I’m sure fans want a bunch of lowres dailies with greenscreen and no finished audio. I’m being sarcastic of course.
All 9 of the films have had material better left on the cutting room floor.

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JadedSkywalker said:

The cut we have is the only cut. This is the version with the locked picture, foley, adr and score composed to a finished edit. There is no JJ Cut or Lucas cut period.
Though there is a ton of deleted scenes in unfinished shape that are left unreleased. I’m sure fans want a bunch of lowres dailies with greenscreen and no finished audio. I’m being sarcastic of course.
All 9 of the films have had material better left on the cutting room floor.

Deleted scenes are actually quite helpful in fanedits. TFA and TLJ each had a few that improve the film (and are totally useable in HD), and the deleted scenes in AOTC are often better than the ones in the final cut.

I’d love to have deleted scenes in whatever form they take.

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I’m surprised there’s not much noise about the lack of deleted scenes outside the fan-edit community.

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idir_hh said:

I’m surprised there’s not much noise about the lack of deleted scenes outside the fan-edit community.

I noticed that too, but I think the public is just burned out of Star Wars. When they came out, each of the 6 films was considered a cultural milestone so the average person would be sort of interested in talking about deleted things, at least in passing.

When TFA came out, I remember social media being abuzz with even non-SW fans talking about it. Unfortunately, Disney over-saturated their own product by rushing a movie yearly. The sub-par reaction to TLJ-Solo-ROS proves that the branding no longer has the mythical pop-culture impact it once did.

No one cares about the Star Wars characters outside of Star Wars anymore, whereas at one point everyone knew who Vader, Luke, Yoda ,and Chewie were. So why would anyone care about deleted scenes about characters they don’t care about?

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It’s not even that deep: Deleted Scenes are mostly boring, inconsequential garbage, and the DVD era bore that out pretty clearly.

Nobody really cares about Deleted Scenes because once the curiosity factor of them being easily available on discs dried up in the 2000s, people basically recognized them as not much more than what they ended up almost always being: one-time-watch fluff used to pad out the “bonus features” listing on the back of the box. The only people who still consider them to be items of note ARE fan-editors because they’re the one niche audience that still NEEDS them for their own projects.

Documentaries, gag reels, commentaries (maybe) - that stuff still carries some weight with viewers/consumers. Not so much Deleted Scenes. I don’t think it’s a reflection or referendum of “Disney oversaturation” or anything like that. It’s probably just a combination of “people don’t really care a lot about these so much” and “these deleted scenes are so far removed from what the movie ended up being it’d just be confusing and weird to plop these on the disc, unfinished and without context.”