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as the topic says, Has anyone heard more about Star Ep9: Rise of Skywalker’s The J.J. Abrams Cut??
its supposed to be an 4 hour cut of the movie…is it just a weird rumour or is there any thruth to it?

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It’s in my pocket.

Edit: There’s probably a ton of deleted footage/ reshoots etc but the only JJ cut that exists is what we saw on screen. It’s all part of the film making process, alot of good stuff gets axed for pacing and time.

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The cut that was released was his cut.

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

Almost every movie ever made has a 3-4 hr cut at one point. It’s usually referred to as the Assembly Cut, and then there are cuts past that point that are sometimes almost as long as that initial Assembly Cut. And all “Assembly Cut” means is “Everything we shot, put it in the edit, and then we can see what we don’t need.”

The same logic that YouTube liars and grifters use to con viewers into subscribing to their channels (“There’s an ORIGINAL cut THEY’RE HIDING FROM YOU”) could have been applied to basically every movie you’ve ever loved. Jaws. Star Wars. Jurassic Park. Back to the Future. They all had super-long initial cuts that had a bunch of story elements that got deleted along the way. It’s not a conspiracy, or evidence of meddling executives. It’s just editing. That’s how stories are told and movies are made.

Sometimes they’re good, and sometimes they’re bad.

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Broom Kid said:

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

Source?

There do exist movies which were meddled in and/or extensively recut by parties other than the original director(s). Hell, we know 2 of the five newest Star Wars movies got this treatment. Granted there’s no solid evidence that this is what happened, but the alternative is that important pieces of the plot for TROS were cut because…it made a better movie?

Nobody really knows what went down on TROS, but if you see a body with dozens of stab wounds and severed limbs, maybe hesitate before calling it self-inflicted.

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Indenpendent of the veracity of a “JJcut”, TROS screams for a new cut. In my dream world, someone like Dave Filoni would be the perfect guy to take the job of edit this movie.
TROS is a problematic movie that had 3 months less of post-production in an already rushed production, most of the final product problems are related to pacing and story decisions that could be fixed with the supervision of a sharp editor and no fear to cut what doesn’t work.
HAL’s edit, for example, it’s in a 4th workprint and it’s already a far better movie than the original TROS, and is being done by this very community, being done with the incredible budget of the power of love and friendship, so imagine what the guys at LF could do?
I don’t believe in a JJcut, not by a long shot, but i believe that, somewhere in the vaults of the Big Bad Mouse, there is more than enough material to craft a beautiful ending for the trilogy as we all deserved. Sincerely, i don’t even bother to ask for a new cut of this movie, I just hope for a release of deleted/alternate scenes, like the Mustafar extended sequence, etc.

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It’s most likely just a JJ-ism. TFA also had A LOT of its meat cut out.

-The flashback sequence explaining how the Saber reached Maz
-Flashback of young Ben being dropped off at Lukes temple
-New Republic subplot
-Constable Zuvio subplot
-Resistance superweapon subplot
-Phasma on Takodana
-Maz giving Leia the saber
-Maz using the force to break the heroes out of the castle
-Unkar hunting down Rey.
-and more stuff.

I guess JJ got away with it then but it seems to have caught up with him in TROS.
My pipe dream is for Disney to eventually release the Assembly cuts of all the star wars films on Disney plus.

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NeverarGreat said:

Broom Kid said:

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

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JJ Abrams?

The fact there are movies that were “meddled in” (again - movies having turbulent production is a fact of movies. Was Empire Strikes Back “Meddled with?” Or just MADE?) doesn’t mean JJ’s was. I’m taking the history of the production (which is very public) and plenty of their own words (just as public) and also taking into account the man’s larger filmography, of which this is very consistent.

There is no “secret cut” - the question of one is clickbait from conspiracist YouTubers who are scumming for subscribes. It gains traction because people think the act of making movies is much more clandestine and covert than it really is, and they’re not familiar (despite watching hours upon hours of behind the scenes footage they’ve since mythologized) with things like “Assembly Cuts” so when they hear about a film having an Assembly Cut, they “report” it to their breathless subscribers as some sort of secret hidden cut that’s being withheld from the TRUE FANS.

Unless you’re trying to gain subscribers for Google ad money, there’s nothing in it for anyone to perpetuate any idea beyond “JJ Abrams made a bad movie.” He made a bad movie full of bad decisions. He’s done it before. So has George Lucas. Star Wars fans should, at this point, have come to terms with the fact it’s a 50/50 shot their movie is going to be ok when it comes out. There’s no real point in searching for excuses when it doesn’t, because it happens so frequently it shouldn’t be a surprise or a Miss Marple Mystery to dig into as to WHY it happened.

Abrams did this to himself. Dunno why anyone would think otherwise. All the evidence is out in the open and offered up freely. He’s not a beleagured artist being oppressed by suits. He IS the suits. If there was corporate meddling, he IS that meddling. He was called in to “fix” the movie, and this is what his fix looked like. He blew it, and that’s on him. It’s not really any more complicated than that. There’s no secret cut of this movie.

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Broom Kid said:

The cut that was released was his cut.

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

Almost every movie ever made has a 3-4 hr cut at one point. It’s usually referred to as the Assembly Cut, and then there are cuts past that point that are sometimes almost as long as that initial Assembly Cut. And all “Assembly Cut” means is “Everything we shot, put it in the edit, and then we can see what we don’t need.”

The same logic that YouTube liars and grifters use to con viewers into subscribing to their channels (“There’s an ORIGINAL cut THEY’RE HIDING FROM YOU”) could have been applied to basically every movie you’ve ever loved. Jaws. Star Wars. Jurassic Park. Back to the Future. They all had super-long initial cuts that had a bunch of story elements that got deleted along the way. It’s not a conspiracy, or evidence of meddling executives. It’s just editing. That’s how stories are told and movies are made.

Sometimes they’re good, and sometimes they’re bad.

I guess Zack Snyder’s Justice League is the only exception to this rule 😃 Back in early 2018, everyone said the same thing you are saying now and they ended up being wrong. I guess since JJ is not saying anything about a JJ Cut, then it probably doesn’t exist. But, we know there were major reshoots and he shot different endings. Obviously, fan editors would love to get a hold of that footage via blu-ray with deleted scenes!

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The Snyder Cut is currently costing millions of dollars to film new scenes for the HBO release, so no, there was no a complete Snyder cut in 2018, not matter what fans and clickbait bloggers say. The theatrical release wasn’t what Snyder wanted, but that was never a secret (just ask Superman’s mustache).

And btw, you guys know what Rise of Skywalker, Justice League, and Batman v Superman for that matter, all had in common? The writer. TROS and the DCEU both reek of classic terrible decision making from Abrams and Snyder respectively, but they both also have the same writer in Chris Terrio. At the end of the day, these movies are bad not because of studio secrets, but because they’re written by someone who has proven to have no skill in writing fantasy franchise blockbusters.

There are surely some deleted scenes for TROS somewhere, though, and fan editors would probably do better with them than an official extended cut would.

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schizopolis23 said:

Broom Kid said:

The cut that was released was his cut.

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

Almost every movie ever made has a 3-4 hr cut at one point. It’s usually referred to as the Assembly Cut, and then there are cuts past that point that are sometimes almost as long as that initial Assembly Cut. And all “Assembly Cut” means is “Everything we shot, put it in the edit, and then we can see what we don’t need.”

The same logic that YouTube liars and grifters use to con viewers into subscribing to their channels (“There’s an ORIGINAL cut THEY’RE HIDING FROM YOU”) could have been applied to basically every movie you’ve ever loved. Jaws. Star Wars. Jurassic Park. Back to the Future. They all had super-long initial cuts that had a bunch of story elements that got deleted along the way. It’s not a conspiracy, or evidence of meddling executives. It’s just editing. That’s how stories are told and movies are made.

Sometimes they’re good, and sometimes they’re bad.

I guess Zack Snyder’s Justice League is the only exception to this rule 😃 Back in early 2018, everyone said the same thing you are saying now and they ended up being wrong. I guess since JJ is not saying anything about a JJ Cut, then it probably doesn’t exist. But, we know there were major reshoots and he shot different endings. Obviously, fan editors would love to get a hold of that footage via blu-ray with deleted scenes!

Let’s be clear, the cut of Justice League released in theaters didn’t represent Zack’s vision, but it’s not like he had a finished alternate cut just waiting in the wings. Otherwise, WarnerMedia wouldn’t be spending 20-30 million dollars so he can finish his version. The Snyder cut never “existed”, it’s a new cut being created now.

Similarly, there’s no finished alternate cut of Rise of Skywalker lying in a vault somewhere, and unlike with Snyder, there’s been no indication that Abrams doesn’t stand behind the movie he made. The problems with Rise of Skywalker are honestly pretty typical of Abrams filmmaking style, the guy is notoriously bad at endings, and we know the production was rushed. I don’t see this being a case of studio meddling.

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“The Snyder Cut” is so ephemeral at this point nobody even knows if it’s going to be a movie. It’s still up in the air as to whether it’s going to be a miniseries.

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Zoidberg voice

Maybe it just sucks?

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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To be completely fair…
A script is written 3 times: 1st time is in, well, scriptwritting, 2nd is in the direction, and the 3rd time is the editing, and there is a lot good examples of how a good ‘montage’ has completly saved what was meant to be a doomed movie (star wars lol), so… who knows, right?
Personally i think the Snyder cut will be just as good as BvS (not very good, but enjoyable if you’re high on drugs).
Also i stand my ground about the possiblity of beign a good movie inside what was filmed of TROS, it just needed the right scissors and coats of paint (as this community has proved).

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Octorox said:
Let’s be clear, the cut of Justice League released in theaters didn’t represent Zack’s vision, but it’s not like he had a finished alternate cut just waiting in the wings. Otherwise, WarnerMedia wouldn’t be spending 20-30 million dollars so he can finish his version. The Snyder cut never “existed”, it’s a new cut being created now.

Similarly, there’s no finished alternate cut of Rise of Skywalker lying in a vault somewhere, and unlike with Snyder, there’s been no indication that Abrams doesn’t stand behind the movie he made. The problems with Rise of Skywalker are honestly pretty typical of Abrams filmmaking style, the guy is notoriously bad at endings, and we know the production was rushed. I don’t see this being a case of studio meddling.

I don’t know about studio meddling, but there was definitely meddling with TROS. George Lucas got involved, multiple endings were shot, even internet fan theories were on the table, etc. It sounded like a mess, which is completely antithetical to what we saw in that documentary The Skywalker Legacy released by the studio. Regardless, I’d love to see all that deleted/alternate footage.

IMO, it’s just crazy that JJ’s best film and his worst film ended up being in the same trilogy.

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There is a secret cut, but it’s only for the cool kids who eat lunch at table 6, sorry.

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schizopolis23 said:

Octorox said:
Let’s be clear, the cut of Justice League released in theaters didn’t represent Zack’s vision, but it’s not like he had a finished alternate cut just waiting in the wings. Otherwise, WarnerMedia wouldn’t be spending 20-30 million dollars so he can finish his version. The Snyder cut never “existed”, it’s a new cut being created now.

Similarly, there’s no finished alternate cut of Rise of Skywalker lying in a vault somewhere, and unlike with Snyder, there’s been no indication that Abrams doesn’t stand behind the movie he made. The problems with Rise of Skywalker are honestly pretty typical of Abrams filmmaking style, the guy is notoriously bad at endings, and we know the production was rushed. I don’t see this being a case of studio meddling.

I don’t know about studio meddling, but there was definitely meddling with TROS. George Lucas got involved, multiple endings were shot, even internet fan theories were on the table, etc. It sounded like a mess, which is completely antithetical to what we saw in that documentary The Skywalker Legacy released by the studio. Regardless, I’d love to see all that deleted/alternate footage.

IMO, it’s just crazy that JJ’s best film and his worst film ended up being in the same trilogy.

The source for the alternate ending and George Lucas involvement is non other than master Doomcock, the internet’s Galactic overlord…

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idir_hh said:

I don’t know about studio meddling, but there was definitely meddling with TROS. George Lucas got involved, multiple endings were shot, even internet fan theories were on the table, etc. It sounded like a mess, which is completely antithetical to what we saw in that documentary The Skywalker Legacy released by the studio. Regardless, I’d love to see all that deleted/alternate footage.

IMO, it’s just crazy that JJ’s best film and his worst film ended up being in the same trilogy.

The source for the alternate ending and George Lucas involvement is non other than master Doomcock, the internet’s Galactic overlord…

Wait a sec, are you telling me that you don’t consider “Doomcock” Grade-A journalism?? lol

Apple news published this last week: https://movieweb.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-lucas-cut-rumor/

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joking aside, i would genuinely pay to see a GL cut of this movie lol

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schizopolis23 said:

George Lucas got involved, multiple endings were shot, even internet fan theories were on the table, etc. It sounded like a mess, which is completely antithetical to what we saw in that documentary The Skywalker Legacy released by the studio. Regardless, I’d love to see all that deleted/alternate footage.

George Lucas didn’t “get involved,” and multiple endings weren’t shot. Multiple versions of the same ending were shot, (multiple takes, really. Again - just normal everyday moviemaking stuff) but the ending was always essentially the same. It’s a thing with Star Wars - a ton of the trivia everyone “knows” about Star Wars is basically just guesswork and rumor repeated enough that everyone accepts it because it’s easier to win online arguments that way.

The multiple endings thing especially - that was some guy on Twitter incorrectly reporting a story he saw via some other guy on Twitter, IIRC. Or Reddit, probably. Part of why it’s so easy for all this to become a YouTube scam for ad money is because even the “upstanding insiders” or whatever are just faking-it-til-they-make-it. People want to believe they know something other people don’t, it makes all the time spent chasing this stuff feel sort of worthwile, and at that point it’s just a matter of figuring out which flavor of fandom you prefer, the angry stuff or the blindly hopeful stuff. If you’re starting with a story pre-tainted with misinformation because the people volunteering for their insider “job” - however well-intentioned they might be - don’t know how to do it, it’s really easy to then further twist that misinformation to fit your chosen grift. Once everyone involved tacitly agrees facts don’t really matter, the game is on!

Knowing what actually happened is almost always secondary to attaining the feeling of knowing what happened. This isn’t just a Star Wars thing, either. But as with all things fandom, you see it in Star Wars “communities” because that same phenomenon happens in places where it’s actually important, too. This is just the safer, less consequential version of it.

edit: Apple News didn’t publish that. Apple News aggregated a MovieWeb post that is, itself, nothing more than some poor employee having to make a post out of Doomcock’s video. It’s all part of the same scam, basically. Nobody involved is doing their jobs correctly. An algorithm is posting something it thinks you’d like based on your history, and it served up a poorly written post that exists just to gather clicks off the headline that describes the content of a complete sham of a YouTube channel. The point isn’t to educate you on anything. That’s why it literally doesn’t matter to anyone involved if what they’re saying is true or not.

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Broom Kid said:

George Lucas didn’t “get involved,” and multiple endings weren’t shot. Multiple versions of the same ending were shot, (multiple takes, really. Again - just normal everyday moviemaking stuff) but the ending was always essentially the same. It’s a thing with Star Wars - a ton of the trivia everyone “knows” about Star Wars is basically just guesswork and rumor repeated enough that everyone accepts it because it’s easier to win online arguments that way.

The multiple endings thing especially - that was some guy on Twitter incorrectly reporting a story he saw via some other guy on Twitter, IIRC. Or Reddit, probably. Part of why it’s so easy for all this to become a YouTube scam for ad money is because even the “upstanding insiders” or whatever are just faking-it-til-they-make-it. People want to believe they know something other people don’t, it makes all the time spent chasing this stuff feel sort of worthwile, and at that point it’s just a matter of figuring out which flavor of fandom you prefer, the angry stuff or the blindly hopeful stuff. If you’re starting with a story pre-tainted with misinformation because the people volunteering for their insider “job” - however well-intentioned they might be - don’t know how to do it, it’s really easy to then further twist that misinformation to fit your chosen grift. Once everyone involved tacitly agrees facts don’t really matter, the game is on!

Knowing what actually happened is almost always secondary to attaining the feeling of knowing what happened. This isn’t just a Star Wars thing, either. But as with all things fandom, you see it in Star Wars “communities” because that same phenomenon happens in places where it’s actually important, too. This is just the safer, less consequential version of it.

I’m just as skeptical as you, but my point is that ZSJL was the game changer. The only difference here is that JJ was not fired and didn’t leave the project. So unlike Snyder, JJ had to agree with the final theatrical version. He would have to publicly admit that an alternate cut EXISTS like Snyder did. Either way, I don’t doubt there could be a longer version that had to be edited down for a theatrical release. Almost every film has this, but it’s only in demand when the theatrical version is unsatisfying to the audience or filmmaker. And there certainly is deleted footage and most likely alternate footage. Does it make the movie better? I doubt it. But that footage is invaluable to fan editors.

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I don’t think Justice League has actually changed any games at all. It’s an exception, and probably one that won’t pay off the way WB hopes, either.

Whatever unfinished scenes got cut from The Rise of Skywalker would likely need fans to do a lot of heavy lifting on the VFX and sound side of things - which is fine (fans have gotten amazingly great at that in the past 20 years) but there’s a huge, huge difference in someone saying “there’s a secret cut they’re not letting you see” and “there’s probably semi-usable odds & ends on the cutting room floor that fans could incorporate into their homemade projects.”

That’s a huge gulf. And as many a fan edit has proven, just because fans CAN edit stuff back into a movie doesn’t mean they should, or that they did it well. Plenty of fan-edits have just as many bad decisions put into them as the original films do.

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Broom Kid said:

I don’t think Justice League has actually changed any games at all. It’s an exception, and probably one that won’t pay off the way WB hopes, either.

Whatever unfinished scenes got cut from The Rise of Skywalker would likely need fans to do a lot of heavy lifting on the VFX and sound side of things - which is fine (fans have gotten amazingly great at that in the past 20 years) but there’s a huge, huge difference in someone saying “there’s a secret cut they’re not letting you see” and “there’s probably semi-usable odds & ends on the cutting room floor that fans could incorporate into their homemade projects.”

That’s a huge gulf. And as many a fan edit has proven, just because fans CAN edit stuff back into a movie doesn’t mean they should, or that they did it well. Plenty of fan-edits have just as many bad decisions put into them as the original films do.

Damn…I take it back, you’re not skeptical, you’re downright cynical. Your last post ^^ says it all. It indicates that you lack imagination or the belief in possibilities.

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Acknowledging that there are bad fan-edits (and a lot of them) isn’t cynicism, nor is it lack of imagination or “belief in possibilities.” It’s just… how it is. There are bad fan-edits. There are great ones too. And many of those great ones were concieved of and executed right here on this forum. And a lot of the “amazingly great” leaps in VFX and sound also happened here, and are happening almost daily anymore. That has nothing to do with my belief system or my imagination (or lack thereof) either.

Anyway: there’s no secret cut of The Rise of Skywalker. Never has been. And if there are deleted scenes, there’s no guarantee (until we see them) that they’ll be good, or usable, and even if they are, it’s up to whoever is making the new edit to implement them well.

The idea that fan-editors are somehow infallible or not susceptible to the same sort of bad decisionmaking professional filmmakers are just as prone to doesn’t make any sense to me. Fan-editors can get lost down rabbit-holes and lose the forest for the trees and make bad calls based on poor instincts just as easily as any of the people who turned out Rise of Skywalker or Batman v. Superman.

It’s what makes the successes (of which there’s been many) that we see here that much more enjoyable. If it was so easy to do, and so regularly done, it wouldn’t be as exciting and rewarding to watch a good one get made. That’s appreciating imagination, not evidence of lacking it.

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schizopolis23 said:

Broom Kid said:

I don’t think Justice League has actually changed any games at all. It’s an exception, and probably one that won’t pay off the way WB hopes, either.

Whatever unfinished scenes got cut from The Rise of Skywalker would likely need fans to do a lot of heavy lifting on the VFX and sound side of things - which is fine (fans have gotten amazingly great at that in the past 20 years) but there’s a huge, huge difference in someone saying “there’s a secret cut they’re not letting you see” and “there’s probably semi-usable odds & ends on the cutting room floor that fans could incorporate into their homemade projects.”

That’s a huge gulf. And as many a fan edit has proven, just because fans CAN edit stuff back into a movie doesn’t mean they should, or that they did it well. Plenty of fan-edits have just as many bad decisions put into them as the original films do.

Damn…I take it back, you’re not skeptical, you’re downright cynical. Your last post ^^ says it all. It indicates that you lack imagination or the belief in possibilities.

Yes Virginia, there is a JJ cut. 😛

Seriously though, what does imagination have to do with anything? The post-production process for TROS has been gone through with a bunch of different movies. They start with an ultra-long “assembly cut” featuring everything they filmed, then it gets cut down into a decent-length movie. It’s just that they cut a little too much in TROS. It has nothing to do with some secret “hidden cut” that was destroyed by the evil producers.