Info: General Terminator 1 & 2 Discussions. — Page 8

Some hints for those who want to remux the mono track to their own rip of the new Blu-ray:

- First use the 0000 track, the one without the MGM logo, which starts with the Orion logo. The movie never had the MGM logo originaly, the real, original movie is starting with the Orion logo.

- Now rip your DD mono from the original 2001 DVD release, or take the original Dark Jedi file.

Just mux the audio mono with a -9000 millisecs and you're rolling.

Well I can tell you this. We used the laserdisc (the mono sound in the DVD is so compressed it is useless). It required 47 different edits because it continued to slip in and out of sync. Ours is perfect, but it took work. 

Unfortunately my DVD of T1 has the MGM logo taking up the first 7 or so seconds of the track, I cut off and synced it to the blu-ray which was fine for the first 16 minutes then it went out of sync. Would someone be able to PM me a fixed mono?

A bit of a side project here, but hopefully an interesting one!

It appears that the theatrical 5.1 mix for Terminator 2 was briefly available on the first issue R1 DVD (which wasn't around long before the marvellous special edition came along). See the second post here (from the very knowledgeable Disclord): http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1409

Since I was assembling a disc that included the theatrical cut of the film, I thought I'd look at syncing that mix to BD video. This involved using Womble, a rather blunt tool for such a job, but it meant that I could nip'n'tuck the track without reencoding. The result is a 5.1 AC-3 which matches the theatrical cut as found on the Skynet BD - not the greatest source for video, but by far the most common source for that cut.

I haven't studied the track for all of its differences with the later Rydstrom mix, but it certainly has a different feel. PM me if you'd like to try it out.

Just PM'ed you, Jonno. Very interested.

Since me and DJ are planning a couple future projects with The Terminator and T2, we'd love to have the synched audio you guys have. That 5.1 mix too!

So could you guys please send me pm's with links? Thanks in advance.

Does the DVD mono audio goes out of sync after 16mn? I didn't check, since Dark Jedi file is so much better. Like Stendec, I just erased the MGM Lion roars and synced by -9000, it appears to be in sync as Dark Jedi original file was already synced out to the then current Blu-ray.

I will check about the DVD mono audio, but I don't see why it would desync as both the DVD from 2001 and the recent remaster appears to be the full movie without any frame missing.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Terminator-Arnold-Schwarzenegger/dp/B00005N5S5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358157042&sr=8-1&keywords=the+terminator

This is the DVD I own, which I believe to be the 2001 pressing with 2007 artwork.

It has the MGM logo integrated into the film taking up the first 7 seconds.

I have to rip the whole DVD that's about 7 1 GB files and then use TSMuxer to strip the mono from each of those files and join them all together. After I take the 7 seconds of MGM logo out and join it to the blu-ray video with TSMuxer it stays in sync for the first 16 mins and then it all goes wrong.

I checked my mux. You're correct it goes in and out of sync by 100/200ms after a while.

Dark Jedi or Stendec files however sync perfectly. if there's a difference by the end, it's probably of tenth of milliseconds, hardly noticeable.

That's crazy because Dark Jedi rip was synced to the old Blu-ray, which used the same master as the old 2001 DVD which had the mono track.

You know what, it might explains WHY the mono track from the DVD is not included on the new master, and also why it isn't on the old Blu-ray.

It might be it's kinda botched by time breaks that they couldn't fix based on the files they had.

There's no reason it shouldn't sync, except if seamless branching has something to do with it, (as the DVD have tons of hidden features and branching and stuff), and I recall when I imported the movie in mpegstreamclip, it found like a hundred time breaks). Maybe the mono track have "time breaks" that you and I and they couldn't fix with mpeg streamclip that render it difficult to sync to the HD raw files of the old version and the new one.

They probablly thought that resyncing it to the Blu was too much work.

Of course, they could have asked Dark Jedi for a synced mono file for free...

You don't need to because Stendec is perfectly sinced to it, or you can use the old dark jedi file and mux it with -9000 millisecs at the beginning.

We're only talking the curious discovery that the 2001 DVD mono track don't stay in sync, whereas Dark Jedi does.

I asked Stendec and he says he only adjusted the DJ file at the beginning. No further alignment was made and it all synced.

So here's the mystery: the old mono version on the 2001 DVD, that is absent from the 2006 Blu-ray and from the 2012 remaster, but should be in sync with both of those as DJ file was originally fixed to be in sync with the 2006 Blu-ray, DOESN'T SYNC.

Something is off with this track, and it might explain why it's absent from both the 2006 and 2012 Blu-rays.

Baffles me, the same thing happened when I tried to re-encode my DVD of Eraser (1996) kept having to making adjustments, so annoying.

Were you trying to reencode pal to ntsc? Cos I found out that regarding the picture, pal dvds do have all the footage intact in the vobs, it's just that there's a command to play them at 25fps.

If you demux, and make a mkv that plays the footage at 23,976 fps, it wlll play flawlessly. You just need to remux the ntsc audio (with the correct speed), or transcode the pal audio back to 23,976, to have mini-hd files of your fave movies that plays on any HD TV.

It was a few years ago, but I think I was trying to make clips for youtube and the synching had to be adjusted for every scene, I was probably using something more primitive at the time to make the .avi files. Anyway the terminator audio troubles reminded me of that.

How does one get DarkJedi's or Stendec's file if they are not a member of the newsgroup and not able to get membership to the newsgroup?

You can find the stendec synced file on myspleen. 

I don't have a myspleen account.

http://binsearch.info/?q=terminator+mono&max=250&adv_age=&server=

Lurk more, many usenet servers have a trial offer. There is even free ones.

mooms said:

http://binsearch.info/?q=terminator+mono&max=250&adv_age=&server=

 

Lurk more, many usenet servers have a trial offer. There is even free ones.

 

 

Thanks, I'll keep looking.

dark_jedi wanted me to tell you guys that his LD-sourced audio will be redone and synched again later, because some recent discoveries of ours showed that his old method of upsampling and synching audio wasn't the best possible.

I've sent a pm as well.

:) 

You_Too said:

dark_jedi wanted me to tell you guys that his LD-sourced audio will be redone and synched again later, because some recent discoveries of ours showed that his old method of upsampling and synching audio wasn't the best possible.

I currently have a similar project but I'm a newb to all this. I have already captured bit perfect PCM audio from my laserdisc. Can you recommend a program (preferably freeware) that does an excellent job of upsampling 44.1kHz to 48kHz?

eurospec19 said:

I currently have a similar project but I'm a newb to all this. I have already captured bit perfect PCM audio from my laserdisc. Can you recommend a program (preferably freeware) that does an excellent job of upsampling 44.1kHz to 48kHz?

I'm probably not the right guy to ask but DJ said a couple audiophile friends of his has told him that the upsampling came out best when he used the software Izotope RX 2 with no dithering or noise shaping or anything applied.

Excellent, looking forward to it.