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Well, they were highly paid professionals and it was just a commercial... not a pop culture phenomenon.  Although, I've seen you guys do things I never expected in a FanEdit, so who knows. It may end up even more than perfect.

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haraldo23 said:

It may end up even more than perfect.

Um...

;-)

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Thats true actually. But like you said. A part of the movie. And endor is part of the movie that easyly can blend it with the old one.

 

-Angel

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I think it is possible haraldo23.

But you are right. It will require a lot of time and money to create a professional and seamless blend.

Set dressing, costumes, lighting, camera lenses, sequencing, direction, acting.... and a million other things.

It will be quite the under taking. However, if you look at these edits they are increasing in ability each time.

ANH:R was just computer editing with 2D objects. ESB:R will have the first sequences filmed and models built. ROTJ:R is the next step into full blown filmed action sequences.

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I remember reading interviews with ILM bods saying the same about their work on the OUT (that ROTJ was a form of graduate thesis).

It's a shame that the quality of story telling and general production values were not treated in the same manner.

Hopefully some work can be made to make those qualities improve as well as the effects work.

Hopefully some of the ideas on threads like these will help anyone trying to enhance ROTJ:SE to lift the otherwise more disappointing entry of OT.

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I think by the time ady gets to his own edit of RotJ technology will become even more user friendly.

And he will have the experience of the previous two OT films behind him. He will be a editing master.

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not to mention he's gonna redo ANH after ROTJ.....which is probably good cause I figure he'll need all the help he can get for the prequels

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I've been trying my best lately to get Angel results without as much work. It looks fairly good, the sabers are bad, but I have never been very good with them. 005 is the only one who has seen this so far.

I think the colouring is ok, it could have been better, but I didn't use an HD source.

{Forgive the space at the top, I will fix it in a bit}

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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muddyknees2000 said:

not to mention he's gonna redo ANH after ROTJ.....which is probably good cause I figure he'll need all the help he can get for the prequels

Well the prequels would likely require stuff beyond anything he's doing right now. So yeah, revisiting ANH and then doing RotJ will lay the groundwork for the very complex work needed to try and pull the prequels out of the morass.

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I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been suggested, but I was looking at some Ralph McQuarrie art and this picture really stood out to me:

Notice how here the pit itself is portrayed as being much larger, almost consuming the entire skiff and some of the Sail Barge. I'm guessing this is near to impossible, but it would be pretty damn cool if some how the scene from the movie could look more like this painting. Having a huge sarlaac pit (Teehee) and even the extra Barge adds the feeling of being "surrounded" and having no escape! (But then the problem of how the other Barge gets destroyed shows up)

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EyeShotFirst said:

I've been trying my best lately to get Angel results without as much work. It looks fairly good, the sabers are bad, but I have never been very good with them. 005 is the only one who has seen this so far.

I think the colouring is ok, it could have been better, but I didn't use an HD source.

{Forgive the space at the top, I will fix it in a bit}

oh dude that is nice and a surprise cause i am currently working on fixing the lightsaber during the first battle and color enhancing that scene

what software are you using?

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EyeShotFirst said:

I've been trying my best lately to get Angel results without as much work. It looks fairly good, the sabers are bad, but I have never been very good with them. 005 is the only one who has seen this so far.

I think the colouring is ok, it could have been better, but I didn't use an HD source.

{Forgive the space at the top, I will fix it in a bit}

oh dude that is nice and a surprise cause i am currently working on fixing the lightsaber during the first battle and color enhancing that scene

what software are you using?

Photoshop :(

I believe it can be done in After Effects, but it will take way more work in motion.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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TML said:

I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been suggested, but I was looking at some Ralph McQuarrie art and this picture really stood out to me:

Notice how here the pit itself is portrayed as being much larger, almost consuming the entire skiff and some of the Sail Barge. I'm guessing this is near to impossible, but it would be pretty damn cool if some how the scene from the movie could look more like this painting. Having a huge sarlaac pit (Teehee) and even the extra Barge adds the feeling of being "surrounded" and having no escape! (But then the problem of how the other Barge gets destroyed shows up)

The other one can blow up from being in close proximity to Jabbas one. It was a decent explosion. Chain reaction.

That would be good, claustrophobic. Only thing is people would be shooting from both barges and the likely hood of anyone escaping the initial barrage of laser bolts would be slim.

Battle droids the robotic incarnations of Jar Jar Binks.

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haraldo23 said:

Matticon said:

Yes, Adywan said he was going to film new scenes with the Rebel Commandos. They get forgotten in the forest battle and is the easiest way to "decute" the Endor battle scenes without CGI use.

The nice thing is that it will probably Ming and his crew. Who I believe are in California. Thus, they can actually go back to "Endor" the Redwood forest of Nortern California and film in the same spots.

A guy up in Seattle owns parts of the original Endor Bunker that was used. They are made of plywood and would be easy to replicate... or have him transport down to use again.

Thus, Ady and the crew, (I would volunteer to go down and help if they let me) could make some very convincing and realistic battle scenes with stormies/Imps and Rebel Commandos duking it out.

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Sounds awesome... on paper.

Making those new shots/scenes fit into an old movie and also maintain the Star Wars atmosphere will be quite a challenge.

 

Its as if 1000s of Ewoks suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

 

Battle droids the robotic incarnations of Jar Jar Binks.

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A lot of attention has been given in this thread to the second Death Star of Return of the Jedi. I have to say, I agree with Gary Kurtz when he says it was basically a remake of the first film.

I think this is wrong on two levels. Firstly, it's unoriginal. Secondly, it makes the conclusion of the saga less dynamic.

How to correct this?

Allow me to suggest a radical alteration.

Rather than the Death Star II, the entire final battle could instead take place on or in the space above the Imperial home planet. For now, let's call it "Had Abaddon" as in the original Star Wars outlines.

The Rebel plan, therefore, would be to knock out the planetary shield generator which is in place to allow the Imperial officials to decide who enters and who exits the planet. Essentially, Had Abaddon is a near prison planet with all movement in and out tightly controlled.

The Rebels need to gain access to the planet so as to launch an assault on the Imperial Palace. They can do this by flying down into the lower city, through a service channel and destroying the palace's main reactor. Once the reactor is destroyed, it will explode massively and take the palace - and the vast majority of the Imperial government - with it. It would, in essence, be an intergalactic gunpowder plot.

Why would this work thematically?

Most of the series takes place on the frontiers of the galaxy. By bringing it into the belly of the beast, the tension would rise dramatically - unlike in the current version where (I feel) the Death Star's reappearance feels stale. Yet another conflict on the frontier.

How to do this?

There are, of course, certain problems. Namely, to design the setting for the city would be a very difficult technical task on the scale of the Blade Runner cityscapes. Secondly, there's the fact that most of the plot appears to revolve around the much maligned Ewoks.

One way of solving this would be to get your hands on the footage of Han Solo, Leia and the Rebels battling in the Imperial bunker. This, rather than the ground battle with the Imperial troops, could be the delay which causes the entire space battle to take place. Leia's seperation from the group would be removed and the speeder-bike section could take place along one of the speeder-lanes which we see in this Ralph McQuarrie illustration below.



The troops, after their encounter with the Stormtroopers, make their camp in one of the vast undercity pipe and electricty networks. On one of the unmanned passages, Leia confronts Luke about his unresponsive behaviour and he tells her that he's going to turn himself in to Vader. Vader's encounter with Luke on the forest walkway could be easily tranformed into a scene on a city walkway by changing the background into model shots of an oppressive, imperial cityscape as in the image below.



At which point, Luke is taken to the massive hive-like Imperial Palace and brought to the Emperor's quarters in topmost tower. The battle continues as normal. The Millenium Falcon, rather than flying over the surface of the Death Star, would now fly over a section of the city and down into the service channel toward the Palace's reactor.

The Palace is destroyed, the rebels celebrate and all seems well.

What's tragic, though, is it seems like this pretty obvious conclusion was in fact planned. All of the McQuarrie illustrations for these sequences already exist, such as...

Vader's arrival at the Imperial Planet


The exterior of the Imperial Palace

Vader's arrival at the Imperial Palace

Various scenes of the Imperial city

And Luke's arrival at the Imperial Palace

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Now this actually looks Star Warsy. It has an ANH feel to it.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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EyeShotFirst said:

Now this actually looks Star Warsy. It has an ANH feel to it.

The lighting really helps.

Way more dramatic.

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Beyond the obvious difficulty of creating new footage for the Imperial Capital sequences the main problem is the lack of an immediate threat or boon to push the Rebels to make such a bold move, especially after getting such a kicking as seen in ESB.

Re-taking the Capital would be the capstone of the Alliance's struggle (Episode IX material).

The only thing that would motivate them to make such a move so soon would be something that could threaten them with total and instant disaster or some piece of intelligence which would make the plan seem a viable option.

Something like a Death Star, or maybe two or some sudden and soon to be fixed weakness in the Capital's defenses.

Without a danger of that...magnitude (ahem) or an opportunity of that scale what's the rush?

I'm not dismissing the idea out of hand but posing it as a question which might open the door to thinking about solutions.

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I'm sure other fan-editors hate it when this name is brought up in a thread for all fan-edit suggestions, but I really do hope adywan considers some of these radical ideas for his ROTJ:R. Moving the action to Coruscant ("Had Abaddon")would be great, if only it was possible...

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Gosh, looking at ralph's paintings makes me drool. It would've been a very expensive movie to make, but it could have been an even better movie than Empire.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Bingowings what about if the rebels new exactly when the Emperor was in his Imperial Palace. Would that make it viable?

Or perhaps they finally had someone in place which they could not do before to blow up the reactor to plantery shields to allow the rebels access to blow up imperial palace with fighters and capital ships with the Emperor inside.

Maybe somehow get R2 to sacrifice himself. He is loved and adored and it would mean a great sacrifice even though he is only a droid. He could be the bomb that gets the planetary shield offline.

 

All this talk of ROTJ and what it could of been is making me like the movie less and less. :-(

Battle droids the robotic incarnations of Jar Jar Binks.

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Bingowings said:

Beyond the obvious difficulty of creating new footage for the Imperial Capital sequences the main problem is the lack of an immediate threat or boon to push the Rebels to make such a bold move, especially after getting such a kicking as seen in ESB.

Re-taking the Capital would be the capstone of the Alliance's struggle (Episode IX material).

The only thing that would motivate them to make such a move so soon would be something that could threaten them with total and instant disaster or some piece of intelligence which would make the plan seem a viable option.

Something like a Death Star, or maybe two or some sudden and soon to be fixed weakness in the Capital's defenses.

Without a danger of that...magnitude (ahem) or an opportunity of that scale what's the rush?

I'm not dismissing the idea out of hand but posing it as a question which might open the door to thinking about solutions.

You're right. There would have to be many reasons for such a dramatic attack.

A second Death Star could remain one of the major motivations of the attack, but not the focus of the scene. The Emperor would still command it to assault the Rebel fleet in a show of power, before the Super Star Destroyer is unexpectedly sent veering off course, crashes into the incomplete structure of the Death Star and destroys it.

Their opportunity to attack the Imperial Palace would be a secondary motivation. In attacking the Death Star orbiting the Imperial Capital they are taking a risk they would not normally take, and they wish to maximise the potential military value of this attack by also attempting an assassination on the Imperial government. Even if success is (as always seems the case for the out-gunned rebels) a distant possibility, they have to make the best use they can of this brief moment in which "the Imperial forces are spread thin throughout the galaxy in a vain attempt to engage [them]".