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MrBrown said:

Vouka said:

MrBrown said:

Does anyone know which Nightmare on Elm Street Movies are avaible open matted on 1.33:1 Full Screen DVDs?
Only the 1st and the 2nd?

All of them.

Damn… 😄 Need to keep looking for them.

It’s online on myspleen. All 7 parts 😃

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Vouka said:

MrBrown said:

Vouka said:

MrBrown said:

Does anyone know which Nightmare on Elm Street Movies are avaible open matted on 1.33:1 Full Screen DVDs?
Only the 1st and the 2nd?

All of them.

Damn… 😄 Need to keep looking for them.

It’s online on myspleen. All 7 parts 😃

That does not fit into my habbit of collecting DVDs. 😃

Also, being from Germany, it is not very safe to use somekind of torrent, so I use it only if it is really neccessary, to get something NOT avaible on original DVDs/BDs, and as seldom as possible.

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EJones216 said:

“Reservoir Dogs” (1997 DVD-- not the 2002 which is completely pan-and-scan) appears to be a straight unmatted transfer, although both the 4x3 and letterbox transfers are overcropped on the left side (running comparisons to the 2002 DVD, it appears the 1997 transfers (which might have been the same ones made for LD and VHS) were done to Academy measurements rather than Super 35, but regardless is another unmatted DVD at your disposal).

Wew… the old Disc has a really lot more Image information, compared to the new 4:3 Full Screen Version after 2002.
Seems as if the 1997 US DVD was released 2002 in canada, because my double side canadian DVD, I snatched at eBay has in its credit printings on the packside “printed in canada 2002”.

Regarding “First Blood”: the Full Frame version is widecreen letterboxed in the opening credits, and after that P&S. No matting opened. As the second movie. I thing the third one will be exactly that way, also.

Edit: Regarding Reservoir Dogs, again: Seems as if the French Metropolitan Coffret Collector 3DVD Edition from 2004 also has a open matted Version, Showing even mor as the old Artisan US Disc. It is in PAL and Region 2:
NTSC FS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xabplkqo25nlj5o/Reservoir Dogs US.png?dl=0
PAL FS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2krygari89bufmk/Reservoir Dogs FR.png?dl=0

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The Fullscreen DVD for Willy Wonka I believe is open matte. There were two editions that I know of. The late '90s double sided disc that had widescreen and full screen and the single sided 2001 DVD that initially was full screen but fan complaint led to a widescreen release.

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MrBrown said:

EJones216 said:

“Reservoir Dogs” (1997 DVD-- not the 2002 which is completely pan-and-scan) appears to be a straight unmatted transfer, although both the 4x3 and letterbox transfers are overcropped on the left side (running comparisons to the 2002 DVD, it appears the 1997 transfers (which might have been the same ones made for LD and VHS) were done to Academy measurements rather than Super 35, but regardless is another unmatted DVD at your disposal).

Wew… the old Disc has a really lot more Image information, compared to the new 4:3 Full Screen Version after 2002.
Seems as if the 1997 US DVD was released 2002 in canada, because my double side canadian DVD, I snatched at eBay has in its credit printings on the packside “printed in canada 2002”.

Regarding “First Blood”: the Full Frame version is widecreen letterboxed in the opening credits, and after that P&S. No matting opened. As the second movie. I thing the third one will be exactly that way, also.

Edit: Regarding Reservoir Dogs, again: Seems as if the French Metropolitan Coffret Collector 3DVD Edition from 2004 also has a open matted Version, Showing even mor as the old Artisan US Disc. It is in PAL and Region 2:
NTSC FS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xabplkqo25nlj5o/Reservoir Dogs US.png?dl=0
PAL FS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2krygari89bufmk/Reservoir Dogs FR.png?dl=0

Wow, I did not realize they released FS DVDs in European countries that recently. Learn something new every day-- a shame about the blown-out highlights (I have seen a 35mm print of “Reservoir Dogs” in 2008, which looked closer to the green tint than the 1997’s reds, but it was much more subtle on the print. I remember being surprised at how good it looked considering it was a Super 35 optical blow-up, having seen a print of “Independence Day” the week before which was typically murky). How does the WS framing compare on the PAL versus the 2002 NTSC’s WS?

Having mentioned “Ronin” a page ago, I went through the whole film and realized I was very wrong about it; this is a pan-and-scan transfer, just one that’s mostly unmatted at the bottom and rarely center-cropped. The few full-frame shots clearly indicate it was not shot “common top” but with a similar frame-line to Cameron’s Abyss/T2 chart (if not the same exact one). Given how cartoonish these shots look unmatted (“Ronin” was almost entirely shot with wide-angle lenses), it’s understandable why the whole 4x3 presentation wasn’t a straight unmatted transfer.

Right now I’m looking through “The Fifth Element”, which is clearly a film that only wanted Super 35 for its lenses. It’s probably where the idea that most Super 2.35:1 films completely hard-matte their VFX comes from. Technical constraints are certainly a factor, but on “The Fifth Element” the CG shots were hard-matted only for artistic reasons (http://www.vfxhq.com/spotlight97/9707b.html)-- Digital Domain was hoping to render at 1.66:1. Within the first 30 minutes, most of it is center-cropped within a 16x9 frame height (and I mean if you overlay the 4x3 and 16x9-enhanced transfers on the 1997 R1 disc they align almost perfectly), some non-CG shots are tightened further, and there’s pixels at most of extra vertical information in the CG shots. Only one clip so far-- the “KEEP CLEAR” shot in Korben’s apartment-- is expanded further than 16x9 height, but not by much. If anyone has a 16x9 HDTV cap of this film (and “Ronin” for that matter), I’d be very interested in seeing it just to find out if they went with the same framing methodology (or if it’s completely pan-and-scan).

RE: Rambo, only the 2008 film was Super 35. The first three were all anamorphic.

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Huh. I know Ronin was opened a bit on the full frame DVD side but I’ve never had it to check myself…hmmm…guess I’ll have to at some point since I’m obsessed with it and Frankenheimer. Also of note is that it had a CCE print run just like Seven.

Great Escape is super open to the full camera exposure on the MGM WS LD and the early DVD port. Director Sturges realized it was super wide and disliked how it detracted from the action so he had it cropped to 2.35 for release.

My big question is the four Batmans. I know we’ve proven the full frame transfers are open matte but I’ve only had my VHS to check against DVD LD and BD. Are the old flippers worth going after for the full frame sides? I have the 4ff repackage with the matted widescreen sides only but hey are really noisy discs and inferior to the LD counterparts in almost every way…but I kinda would like the full frame version for completeness sake if they’re worth it.

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FWIW, I’ve spotted the old Batman DVD at Big Lots stores recently. Don’t know if it’s the old flipper disc or not, but Warner’s always seems to have old stock in newer cases for the bargain bins. (Especially at Target and Walmart.) They have even paired up the original The Matrix DVD with the Inside The Matrix documentary disc that was released separately.

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Huh. I know Ronin was opened a bit on the full frame DVD side but I’ve never had it to check myself…hmmm…guess I’ll have to at some point since I’m obsessed with it and Frankenheimer. Also of note is that it had a CCE print run just like Seven.

Some overlays from “Ronin”:

A typical crop looks like this - http://s20.postimg.org/3r3pa2zrx/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_50_04_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:50:04 – the 1999 R1 DVD’s WS and FS sides are synced exactly so timecodes are relevant to both. I cannot account for the 2004 SE or the Blu-ray)
Or this
http://s20.postimg.org/5wy04l38d/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_01_38_59_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 1:38:59)
Sometimes going further up
http://s20.postimg.org/fp59nz3j1/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_46_05_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:46:05)
…and even further up
http://s20.postimg.org/ir0nbo61p/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_26_47_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:26:47)
…and, even with the image a little more expanded, they still pan-and-scan, like from this
http://s20.postimg.org/rr58vv259/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_10_47_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:10:47)
…to this
http://s20.postimg.org/bdl9cplzx/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_10_50_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:10:50)
Just a few seconds later, one of the 4x3 transfer’s almost completely unmatted shots comes in
http://s20.postimg.org/m1kext6l9/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_10_55_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:10:55)
This is the absolute widest it goes (including a bit of the aperture at the top-- this shot and the “RONIN” title card were the only two that went so far up that you can see the splice at the beginning):
http://s20.postimg.org/59z3f26cd/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_01_39_10_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 1:39:10)
While this split-second shot is the absolute smallest by far:
http://s20.postimg.org/6jwwu404d/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_01_07_01_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 1:07:01)
Getting subjective here, there’s some shots that in my opinion look a bit “sitcom”-ish with the extra vertical information…
http://s20.postimg.org/umdqozgrh/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_00_35_18_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 0:35:18)
…while the ice-skating sequence’s framing alone makes me tempted to give the 4x3 version by itself a full viewing
http://s20.postimg.org/cbx1199y5/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_01_45_11_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 1:45:11)
http://s20.postimg.org/ogcai8mu5/Ronin_AAPR_AAC_mp4_snapshot_01_46_28_2016_05_16.jpg (TC 1:46:28 - I may be going overboard with this, but possible spoiler warning)

The black area around these overlays accounts for the complete image area that the 4x3 transfer will utilize for its reframes, some shots even going beyond the camera aperture (but not to the radical extremes of, say, “The Abyss” in 4x3 where you can actually see the film perfs at times). Most of the shots take the frame height that I assume is where the misconception that (4-perf) Super 35 is 1.59:1 comes from. I only have theories on why a 4x3 Super 35 transfer is done mainly at this size, and my best one is that it’s (mostly) scanned at the same size as open matte transfers of 1.85:1 films, only panning and scanning is still necessary since there’s around 13% extra horizontal image information.

Regarding the CCE thing, you may find this interesting: https://www.theasc.com/magazine/nov98/soupdujour/pg2.htm

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SilverWook said:

FWIW, I’ve spotted the old Batman DVD at Big Lots stores recently. Don’t know if it’s the old flipper disc or not, but Warner’s always seems to have old stock in newer cases for the bargain bins. (Especially at Target and Walmart.) They have even paired up the original The Matrix DVD with the Inside The Matrix documentary disc that was released separately.

Just making sure, "The Matrix wasn’t a fullscreen DVD, right?

I asked a couple of pages back, if anyone knows, I’m wondering if 300 and A Beautiful Mind FS DVDs are opened-up. Thank you.

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Pretty sure it’s the same old widescreen Matrix DVD. It was unusual that Warners never did a full frame version for that, but did for the sequels. Not like they didn’t have a fullscreen master lying around.

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Pretty sure it’s the same old widescreen Matrix DVD. It was unusual that Warners never did a full frame version for that, but did for the sequels. Not like they didn’t have a fullscreen master lying around.

Are the Matrix sequel full-screen DVDs open-ed up?

Also, the first Batman flipper DVD is worth it just for the alt. Vicki/Joker scene.

Can someone start up a HDTV thread to list versions of 2.xx:1 films that have been opened up for HDTV? Didn’t some movie-channel or something always request 16:9 versions?

Thx!

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“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part II” was and is still shown open matte 1.78:1 on cable channels like HBO, at least here in India. The shots look wonderful and have that IMAX like scale in Full HD ratio. Someone with recording capabilities should be able to grab it. It’s worth saving.

Same with Spielberg’s “The Adventures of Tintin.” Also open matte. Shots look more breathable than the tightly composed 2.39:1 version. And like HP, it also has that IMAX like scale in 1.78:1.

I’d love to see these two recorded.

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Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe HBO has a full screen policy… They want all films to occupy the entire screen. So I think some films end up cropped and others are shown in open matte. Can’t confirm it though as I do not have that channel.

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EJones216 said:

MrBrown said:

EJones216 said:

“Reservoir Dogs” (1997 DVD-- not the 2002 which is completely pan-and-scan) appears to be a straight unmatted transfer, although both the 4x3 and letterbox transfers are overcropped on the left side (running comparisons to the 2002 DVD, it appears the 1997 transfers (which might have been the same ones made for LD and VHS) were done to Academy measurements rather than Super 35, but regardless is another unmatted DVD at your disposal).

Wew… the old Disc has a really lot more Image information, compared to the new 4:3 Full Screen Version after 2002.
Seems as if the 1997 US DVD was released 2002 in canada, because my double side canadian DVD, I snatched at eBay has in its credit printings on the packside “printed in canada 2002”.

Edit: Regarding Reservoir Dogs, again: Seems as if the French Metropolitan Coffret Collector 3DVD Edition from 2004 also has a open matted Version, Showing even mor as the old Artisan US Disc. It is in PAL and Region 2:
NTSC FS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xabplkqo25nlj5o/Reservoir Dogs US.png?dl=0
PAL FS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2krygari89bufmk/Reservoir Dogs FR.png?dl=0

Wow, I did not realize they released FS DVDs in European countries that recently. Learn something new every day-- a shame about the blown-out highlights (I have seen a 35mm print of “Reservoir Dogs” in 2008, which looked closer to the green tint than the 1997’s reds, but it was much more subtle on the print. I remember being surprised at how good it looked considering it was a Super 35 optical blow-up, having seen a print of “Independence Day” the week before which was typically murky). How does the WS framing compare on the PAL versus the 2002 NTSC’s WS?

I do not know, but I check next time I am near my DVD Collection (maybe next weekend).

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MrBrown said:

EJones216 said:

Wow, I did not realize they released FS DVDs in European countries that recently. Learn something new every day-- a shame about the blown-out highlights (I have seen a 35mm print of “Reservoir Dogs” in 2008, which looked closer to the green tint than the 1997’s reds, but it was much more subtle on the print. I remember being surprised at how good it looked considering it was a Super 35 optical blow-up, having seen a print of “Independence Day” the week before which was typically murky). How does the WS framing compare on the PAL versus the 2002 NTSC’s WS?

I do not know, but I check next time I am near my DVD Collection (maybe next weekend).

The Widescreen Version has the same framing as the US 15th anniversary edition.

I got some of the Nightmare Full screen DVDs… just missing Part 4 and 6.
Even Freddy vs. Jason is open matted Full screen.

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Is Resident Evil: Apocalypse (2004) Special Edition DVD full-screen version opened up? Fully? Partially? Thanks

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Hi all!

I’m after a fullscreen copy of the the Goonies on DVD if there has been one released?
Pan and scan or open matte if that’s a possibility?

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There is no fullscreen DVD, AFAIK. And the film was shot anamorphic, so it was never open matte.

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ok doke, thanks.
I’ve been scouring ebay and it’s quite tedious haha.
Best I could hope for is a transfer of the laser disc.
I have had a project in mind for a while to recreate the extended version, adding back in the extra scenes from the “disney channel” cut.

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There don’t seem to be any U.S. pan and scan LD’s on Ebay at the moment.

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I’m only seeing Japanese releases which I’m guessing have burned in subs.
I was really hoping there’d be one of those “early-days of dvd” versions in 4:3 making things nice and simple.
Maybe in the future I could purchase the U.S. Pan & Scan laser disc, right now I don’t even have a player!

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They would have subtitles burned in.

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Resident Evil: Apocalypse is usually 2.39:1 framing, however the DVD has a full-screen option and it’s partially opened up (left/right sides are cropped). Also, there is at least 1 HUD SFX shot that seems squeezed.

Don’t think Goonies was released as FS on DVD.

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Are the full-screen LDs of Terminator, Terminator 2, and Terminator 2 Special Edition open-matte?

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The Terminator Full Screen is mostly pan and scan with very little info on the vertical space. T2 was shot on Super 35 with common top framing. The FS version has much more vertical area and loses very little at the sides. CG shots are pan & scan, and certain other shots are readjusted, etc.