Info: 1997 SE DV Broadcast Info & Discussion — Page 14

The pink tint should only be from Ben and Luke overlooking Mos Eisley and the Falcon blasting off. It seems to creep in during the "I want to learn the way of the Force" scene.

It's like RedFive said then, I assume.
Those two caps look better in the '04 version, I agree.
I don't like the pale look on 3PO in the DV shot, since he's supposed to be gold-plated, and it doesn't really look like it.

If you're more content with the DV Tantive shots, my first thought would be a little mix and match.

I'm having trouble opening the file. Won't read in VLC, Windows Media Player, Divx+, or PowerDVD 9. Any suggestions?

Try MPC, it worked perfectly well for me. It looks great, btw.

Thanks for the tip Harmy, but somehow, it still doesn't work.

@ DJ: Don't mention it, man. I owe it to you, you helped me loads by sending me those clips from your Blu project :-)

@Radion: Maybe you're missing some codecs? Try instaling KLM codec pack :-)

That would explain everything. I'm currently using my girlfriend's laptop, since it's 0:30PM here, and I'm off to bed. Hers doesn't have the lagarith codec, but my desktop does.

I basically have all the necessary codecs (like lagarith), and all common media players and tools (including virtual dub) on my desktop, but not here.
I'll check it tomorrow after work, and let you know :)
Although, if Harmy says it's good, I'm sure it is ;)

There is a tenancy with the 97 DVB rips for the colour to be pink/ red shifted. The smearing is caused by the crappy capture software available at the time. The TV PC cards really couldn't handle and movement and this is why the smearing occurred.

As for your latest screenshots, the 2004 3P0 shot looks better than the '97 apart from the fact that they dialled the yellow hue to more of a green (which is common in the 2004 versions), but for the vader shot, , the '97 is closer to the original colour.the 2004 has a strange greenish/ cyan tint to it, which was never there originally.

An interesting fact about the Tantive Iv corridors that i received pretty recently from someone who worked on ANH. The corridors are white, with the insets being a very pale/ sky blue and the panels boxes being white. They forgot to add the pale blue colouring to the insets when recreating the hallway for ROTS. So, in fact, the 2004 colouring of some of the hallway shots where we see the pale blue colouring of the insets is the true colour.

dark_jedi said:

So here is a test clip, what do you guys think? it is 04 footage with the 97 clouds added back in, and I want to give a shout out to Harmy for all his help over the past couple of days with AE LOL.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/z34f3u

also I am using the Tantiv IV hallways from the 04, but using the DV for the Leia, 3PO, R2 shot, still not sure about the Vader interrogating scene, Stormtroopers getting Leia, and 3PO and R2 escaping, they do not look much different than the DV, so I may leave that 04 as well because much clearer and no smear.

I am using 005's comparison shot page for the differences, if it wasn't for that I don't think I would have caught the cloud change LOL.

Just a little suggestion, the clouds wasn't the only thing they altered for that shot in '04, the sand dunes were as well, so if you want it to be '97 authentic you'll have to avoid '04-footage in that scene.

dark_jedi said:

I did not see any of that in 005's comparison page, can you show me proof?

*edit - I went back and looked at it again, it is ever so slightly different, but for me to use the Canyon scene I need to use this desert scene leading up to it(because of those damn wipes) so this may stay, or maybe if someone has a suggestion I will look into it

The alteration was just made to that single Threepio-shot, so you can still use the '04 footage for everything else, there's no wipes involved there. Then if such a splice will merge well with the surrounding footage or not is another thing. Just thought it was worth to point it out for you.

A thing that looks odd with that alteration besides the CG landscape, take a close look at Threepio, he almost looks like he did in Attack of the Clones, silverclad instead of gold, or is it just me? (I'm not talking about your sample in this case)

That looks OK, because both sources are DVD res, but it still stands out because of the grain. Maybe a bit of denoise wouldn't hurt it? I wouldn't recommend heavy denoising on a whole film, but with one shot like this it's ok to make it fit with the rest. So if you're doing this in AE, I'd apply remove grain and sharpen effects (in sensible amounts of course). Or you could just run it through your script.

dark_jedi said:

OK, what do you think of this try msycamore?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/d3whms

 I like it, well done! :)

yeh, that is pretty bad. that's is all down to the codec used for capturing. The only thing i can suggest for this scene would be to use the 2004 version and colour correct it to match the '97 and mask out the wipe in after effects for the 97 jabba. Send me the scene and i'll see if i can do something with it

Wow that smear makes Obi Wan look like the shroud of Turin!

Would it help to use a few frames from the LD in this instance?

That could work but I think the LDs are actually a different transfer than the DTV captures.

And I think DJ is using the Flunk version, which I think was said to be a straight port of the digi tapes used as a source of the TV broadcasts and that's why it is so much better than the others. And it would IMO also mean that the smearing is due to DVNR and not the way it was captured.

Harmy said:

And I think DJ is using the Flunk version, which I think was said to be a straight port of the digi tapes used as a source of the TV broadcasts and that's why it is so much better than the others. And it would IMO also mean that the smearing is due to DVNR and not the way it was captured.

No, it would depend on what card they used to capture the tape to the PC. This kind of smearing was very common with cheaper early capture cards. i had one years ago and it did the exact same thing, but there was no way of stopping it.