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If anyone needs ideas for non-star wars vhs films to preserve i have a few! (as I'm sure lots of others do to) :O)
I got mine just for the box. Beautiful. Matches my other Trilogy VHS sets on the shel.
EDIT: This reminds me I need a stereo VCR as mine's mono only as well. Ugh.
VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
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If anyone needs ideas for non-star wars vhs films to preserve i have a few! (as I'm sure lots of others do to) :O)
frank678 said:
If anyone needs ideas for non-star wars vhs films to preserve i have a few! (as I'm sure lots of others do to) :O)
Go on...
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AntcuFaalb said:
frank678 said:
If anyone needs ideas for non-star wars vhs films to preserve i have a few! (as I'm sure lots of others do to) :O)
Go on...
Yay!
Here's a couple of titles which I think would have different colour timing on early vhs versions to how they are presented in 2012 and so might be important to preserve: Blade Runner,(http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews24/bladerunner.htm) Apocalpse Now (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1264333/apocalypse-now/510#post_19446351). Blue Velvet looks like its going pink to me on the Blu Ray- certainly its not like the deep blues i saw at the cinema. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare5/bluevelvet.htm
This will probably have no appeal to anyone but to me the criterion Days of Heaven (1978) also looks like it has pink shift in it to me. The trouble is I don't know how much of me seeing this pink/red shifted is effected by my monitor, which has a definite pink tint. Also I dont know how good/faithful NTSC telecines would be. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews9/days-of-heaven.htm
The first PAL release of Empire Strikes on VHS I think needs preservation.
frank678 said:
AntcuFaalb said:
frank678 said:
If anyone needs ideas for non-star wars vhs films to preserve i have a few! (as I'm sure lots of others do to) :O)
Go on...
Yay!
Here's a couple of titles which I think would have different colour timing on early vhs versions to how they are presented in 2012 and so might be important to preserve: Blade Runner,(http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews24/bladerunner.htm) Apocalpse Now (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1264333/apocalypse-now/510#post_19446351). Blue Velvet looks like its going pink to me on the Blu Ray- certainly its not like the deep blues i saw at the cinema. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare5/bluevelvet.htm
This will probably have no appeal to anyone but to me the criterion Days of Heaven (1978) also looks like it has pink shift in it to me. The trouble is I don't know how much of me seeing this pink/red shifted is effected by my monitor, which has a definite pink tint. Also I dont know how good/faithful NTSC telecines would be. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews9/days-of-heaven.htm
The first PAL release of Empire Strikes on VHS I think needs preservation.
I wouldn't mind tackling Blade Runner, but my setup is only capable of handling NTSC. Would that be OK?
Edit: I just took a look at the linked Blade Runner page. What the hell happened to the colors?!
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
AntcuFaalb said:
I wouldn't mind tackling Blade Runner, but my setup is only capable of handling NTSC. Would that be OK?
Would be brilliant! In case I appear a bit cheap on this - only do this if you think there is a reason for you - I'm still not sure what my monitor is screwing up exactly. However, I think this may be the last gasp for VHS so if ever there was a time for this stuff its now!
add: yeah blade runner is confusing not sure whats right there??
frank678 said:
AntcuFaalb said:
I wouldn't mind tackling Blade Runner, but my setup is only capable of handling NTSC. Would that be OK?
Would be brilliant! In case I appear a bit cheap on this - only do this if you think there is a reason for you - I'm still not sure what my monitor is screwing up exactly. However, I think this may be the last gasp for VHS so if ever there was a time for this stuff its now!
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films, so I wouldn't object to capturing it.
Can someone tell me if the colortiming on the Blu-ray release of John Carpenter's Halloween is accurate?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
AntcuFaalb said:
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films, so I wouldn't object to capturing it.
Can someone tell me if the colortiming on the Blu-ray release of John Carpenter's Halloween is accurate?
For Halloween just looking at stills online the skin tone on the blu ray look really natural, however i dont know horror films much to know any that well. When I look at blade runner on the linked page it looks too green tinted now but previous versions dont seem to be right either. there was a thread about this on other preservation section but no one goes as far back as vhs with this stuff i dont think
AntcuFaalb said:
I wouldn't mind tackling Blade Runner, but my setup is only capable of handling NTSC. Would that be OK?
Edit: I just took a look at the linked Blade Runner page. What the hell happened to the colors?!
yeah, looking at that now. what???!!
funny thing, i have the collectors version briefcase
on HD DVD!
there's a lot more discussion about this stuff here:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Other-Preservations-and-Fan-Projects/forum/18/
probably should start something over there.
later
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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]
negative1 said:
there's a lot more discussion about this stuff here:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Other-Preservations-and-Fan-Projects/forum/18/
probably should start something over there.
later
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apologies, found this thread now:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Blade-Runner-color-timing/topic/14095/page/1/
It's ok. The 1997 BR DVD was print sourced from what appears to be a 70mm blowup print, and also pushed slightly in some of the coloring. You also get nasty blocky artifacts and noise throughout from being an early disc with bad encoding. The LD Director's Cut actually looks a bit more natural. What you're seeing on the later versions of the DC and archival cuts is the intended image. The only thing that may be lost is the timing due to the original print stock utilized etc. The Criterion International cut LD seems to have a bit more saturation as well to my eyes.
On Apocalypse, I agree. I first saw the 1992 VHS which has a distinct color that was all but gone on the Dossier DVDs. It looks fine on the first 1999 DVD I think. However this was color timing done for the home release specifically, I guess to bring out the theatrical colors on CRT screens. It is the same as a 1991 Widescreen Laserdisc. (which is excellent and has the theatrical audio directly ported to PCM ProLogic)
VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader
captainsolo said:
It's ok. The 1997 BR DVD was print sourced from what appears to be a 70mm blowup print, and also pushed slightly in some of the coloring. You also get nasty blocky artifacts and noise throughout from being an early disc with bad encoding. The LD Director's Cut actually looks a bit more natural. What you're seeing on the later versions of the DC and archival cuts is the intended image. The only thing that may be lost is the timing due to the original print stock utilized etc. The Criterion International cut LD seems to have a bit more saturation as well to my eyes.
On Apocalypse, I agree. I first saw the 1992 VHS which has a distinct color that was all but gone on the Dossier DVDs. It looks fine on the first 1999 DVD I think. However this was color timing done for the home release specifically, I guess to bring out the theatrical colors on CRT screens. It is the same as a 1991 Widescreen Laserdisc. (which is excellent and has the theatrical audio directly ported to PCM ProLogic)
Weird. This:
Looks a lot better to me than:
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
here's a laserdisc capture, it *feels* the most accurate compared to the stills to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNghhjO9lUs&list=UUi7Y-sm5OpyZn5zh2dORovw&index=26&feature=plcp
That's comparing to the color on the Final Cut which had extensive new timing done by Ridley Scott to his personal preference. I think it's a bit too far in some cases, but it works to give the film a much darker feel-and theatrically it was brilliant. Still, a huge difference coming form the old versions!
VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader
I've managed to acquire sealed copies of what previously arrived unsealed. Now every set I have is composed entirely of sealed copies. Here's what I have, to date:
SEALED
UNSEALED
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
frank678 said:
AntcuFaalb said:
frank678 said:
If anyone needs ideas for non-star wars vhs films to preserve i have a few! (as I'm sure lots of others do to) :O)
Go on...
Yay!
Here's a couple of titles which I think would have different colour timing on early vhs versions to how they are presented in 2012 and so might be important to preserve: Blade Runner,(http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews24/bladerunner.htm) Apocalpse Now (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1264333/apocalypse-now/510#post_19446351). Blue Velvet looks like its going pink to me on the Blu Ray- certainly its not like the deep blues i saw at the cinema. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare5/bluevelvet.htm
This will probably have no appeal to anyone but to me the criterion Days of Heaven (1978) also looks like it has pink shift in it to me. The trouble is I don't know how much of me seeing this pink/red shifted is effected by my monitor, which has a definite pink tint. Also I dont know how good/faithful NTSC telecines would be. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews9/days-of-heaven.htm
The first PAL release of Empire Strikes on VHS I think needs preservation.
Is that Empire tape the pre cert one for Empire. Did russs ever preserve that tape?
Hopefully it is not a bad ntsc to pal standards conversion as the first issue empire uk laserdisc which also happens to be one of the worst rotters in history of the format next to the first issue star wars UK disc.
Basing this on info grinder gave me. As even though i have the discs i don't have a pal laserdisc player.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:
Is that Empire tape the pre cert one for Empire. Did russs ever preserve that tape?
Hopefully it is not a bad ntsc to pal standards conversion as the first issue empire uk laserdisc which also happens to be one of the worst rotters in history of the format next to the first issue star wars UK disc.
Basing this on info grinder gave me. As even though i have the discs i don't have a pal laserdisc player.
I bought an ex-rental of the first empire release in a charity shop, unfortunately it was snowy and crudded up the heads on the video recorder so i had to throw it away. My take was aside from being over brightened (for crt display?) it was a straight transfer of a relatively new print not a ntsc conversion. the blues and whites on hoth were really clean. I got one of the early return of the jedi pal vhs= the print was not as colourful (jedi is the only film i can remember seeing at the cinema and the vhs didnt do the original colours of jedi justice). My guess would be the first pal empire might be the best transfer out of the three films on vhs (of the u.k. releases). Russs15 has done a capture which i'd love to see some more stills from/or to see someone take some photos of the original playing on a tv screen to double check my impressions. anyone else have the original pre cert pal tape and a cameraphone? the laserdisc might not be as good as the vhs then (also it came out a year or so later?)- and i read u.k. laserdisc for star wars was an ntsc conversion also(??). the ntsc empire laserdisc as represented by negative1s capture screenshots looks like lucasfilm put some sort of processing on it distorting it, the pal vhs looked better to my eyes
puggo's forthcoming PSB will almost certainly blow it out of the water but it would still be worth preservation i feel
thanks due to russs15 for this comparison post:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Help-Im-new/post/582999/#TopicPost582999
My idea of the perfect transfer would be to get flesh tone as realistic and 3D as at the .43 second mark in this trailer:
Just realized my comments re: old versions on vhs might have been better in a thread like this:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/BD-Releases-That-Are-Arguably-Inferior-to-DVDs-and-HD-DVDs/topic/14376/page/1/
Has anyone captured the "incredibly-shrinking aspect ratio" Special Widescreen Edition laserdiscs?
Can't this set be made tolerable by cropping and/or resizing?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r
Darth Mallwalker said:
Interesting. Thanks for the information.
Is it worth re-capturing?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
Question: Is the image shrinking or is it being cropped?
Fix for shrinking: Crop black borders and resize.
Fix for cropping: Crop everything "larger" to the minimum observed size.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
AntcuFaalb said:
Is it worth re-capturing?
You could probably re-capture the Technidisc pressing, if you like ;)
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