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I dunno guys, those blu ray shots looks pretty good to me. Little blown out here and there maybe, but overall good.

Sometimes you guys really do nitpick a little bit about these things.

^the colour has been practically ironed out of the shot, if that's nit picking I'm here tweezers at the ready.

I see plenty of colors in these shots http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?art=part&x=434&y=286&action=1&image=0&cID=1273&cap1=14341&cap2=14325&lossless=#vergleich

edit: hell in the shot bkev posted the blu ray's on the left, definitely more color there.

I do apologise not owning a blu-ray player I assumed the indigo version was the the new bad one and not the new vibrant one.

I like to think I'm big enough to own up when I talk bollocks.

In my opinion, it looks like the reality is in between. The film has definitely been brightened to have more midrange, probably just due to the overall yellow-shift bringing detail out in the shadows that was previously less visible because of the former blue-shift, as blue eats up detail and yellow reveals it. Many examples in the pics look much more natural on the blu-ray, like some of classroom scenes. Many of the Cairo scenes are yellower and look nice, while the older version is a bit blue-shifted and may have just been a choice on the part of the colorist or even Spielberg, as the difference is subtle without the side-by-side comparison, it would be hard to notice if you were just watching the film. However, it seems clear to me that the DVD also has instances that are likely to be truer to how the film originally looked. If the sky is visible and the scene looks natural in the older timing it would suprising if it was actually originally supposed to be blown out and with a less natural overall look to the colour and contrast. The shots from the opening as well seem more natural with the bluer and more low-key look seen on the DVD. That shot digging up the well of souls looks like it has had the saturation pumped up, but that shot was a matte composite which dilutes the colours, so the blu-ray may actually be closer to how the elements were original shot and meant to be seen as. Sadly, the prints I've seen have always been a bit pink-shifted so it's a tough call, and I can't remember details that specific just from memory. If someone had a print that could be examined in detail you could probably tell even if there was fading going on.

Bingowings said:

I do apologise not owning a blu-ray player I assumed the indigo version was the the new bad one and not the new vibrant one.

I like to think I'm big enough to own up when I talk bollocks.

Ah that explains. Ya if that were the case I might've agreed with you.

edit: another thing I'll say is that every time a movie is retimed (and sometimes this is neccesairy because they want to do the best possible scan they can from the o-negs). They have to take SOME artistic liberty. I think it this case the timing falls WELL in "acceptable" range as far as not going overboard with weird color choices go.

skyjedi2005 said:

So did they do a third transfer of raiders because the japan hdtv broadcast which i assumed was from the 4k restore had the theatrical colors... I am talking about the transfer that made Lowry's look like a joke.

Yes. They did a third transfer. The first was the Lowry one done at 2K (presumably) then processed at 1080p; it showed on HDTV for awhile, but Spielberg wanted something better for the BDs.

Around 2008/2009, Laserpacific made a transfer of Raiders scanned at 4K then processed at 2K; it's the magnificent one with the original color timing that has been showing on HDTV for awhile.

After that, Spielberg thought it could look even better, and thus, sometime last year, the third transfer was made for the BD again by Laserpacific. It's the new restoration with alternative color timing, scanned at 6K and processed at 4K.

Raiders appears to be the first Lucasfilm scanned at 4k or higher.

Actually, Temple and Last Crusade were scanned at 4K and processed at 2K by Laserpacific in 2008/2009 along with Raiders. These are what have been showing on HDTV. They're going to appear pretty much verbatim on the BD except with mild hue adjustments (less red, like the new Raiders but not as radical).

I would buy this set, but it's got Crystal Skull on it.

Just to clear up any future confusion:

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captainsolo said:

Aha! Wait, I thought they were still utilizing the Lowry transfers...

Nope. Thankfully they've had the sense to upgrade to LaserPacific transfers. The Lowry transfers did show in HD though on the BBC pre-2008; they're the ones where the CGI cliff shot was experimented with.

Comparisons on TOD and LC look to be the same between sources for DVD and BD.

Again, nope not the same source. It's a 2008 restoration from Laserpacific scanned at 4K and processed at 2K. They appear to have received slight color timing tweaks, much like the new Raiders restoration but less so. Hues have been shifted so flesh tones are less red.

If anyone really has a problem with the color timing of the new BD box set, it's a simple matter of getting the 2008 HDTV Broadcasts. The timing is relatively similar to the Lowry, and it's available in really high HD quality (on the scale of 20 GB something captures).

I have to say, TOD looks incredible from the shots I've seen so far. Very natural, very similar to prints and former video transfers, and it just looks stunning with the detail and everything. This is actually my favourite film of the bunch, so even if I have a few minor issues with Raiders, TOD looks as close to flawless as I could have hoped for.

Negative1: personally I think some shots look better, some look worse. Overall I don't think it "looks like crap" or anything along those lines. And I probably won't be bothered by it too much. (But I have pretty low standards on these things I admit)

I do think that one shot of the submarine is much worse, it's overexposed and the rust on the side of the thing becomes way too prominent for example.
The shot outside of the burning building however looks much more overexposed on the dvd.

Whenever Lucas is marginally involved, you know you're getting a "quality" product. Is anyone concerned that we have to buy Crystal Skull with this set, which, btw, was already released four years ago? 

I'm not. I like KOTCS and I never owned it on BD. I recently saw an HD broadcast of it and it looked amazing.

You'd have way more complainers if it was missing. Why would they leave it out of a box set of the series? It shouldn't drive up the price and you can always sell it or give it to someone who likes the film.

Ya I'm guessing that if you don't want kotcs you don't have to buy this set and can probably buy all 3 original movies seperate. Shouldn't be a big deal.
(you might have to wait a little longer, or go on ebay though)

I didn't even think kotcs was that terrible, just not anywhere near as good as the original 3 movies. (look at it as a seperate movie, it's ok)

Doesn't it look beautiful, though?

Ya, there's alot of extra detail. And I think the color timing boils down to personal opinion at the end of the day. Especially since we don't know exactly how it looked back then. (and people's memory isn't a good indicator)

The Aluminum Falcon said:  Yes. They did a third transfer. The first was the Lowry one done at 2K (presumably) then processed at 1080p; it showed on HDTV for awhile

That must be the source of the Canal+ HD version then.

Around 2008/2009, Laserpacific made a transfer of Raiders scanned at 4K then processed at 2K; it's the magnificent one with the original color timing that has been showing on HDTV for awhile.

If anyone really has a problem with the color timing of the new BD box set, it's a simple matter of getting the 2008 HDTV Broadcasts. The timing is relatively similar to the Lowry, and it's available in really high HD quality (on the scale of 20 GB something captures).

This must be the Japanese HDTV version, which is probably what I'll stick with, as it's very good (16.2 GiB) and it looks as if I'll be unhappy with the new color timing.  It's a shame that there's no LD audio available to go with it.  (Skyjedi, the hardcoded subtitles appear only a few times during the film, at times when there are English subs on the screen anyway, and they're not too distracting.)

There are many screenshots here.   One thing I really don't like is the color of the Nazi banners in the shots near the end. The yellow look makes them appear orange.  The Japanese HDTV version is somewhere in between.