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New voice?
WOWOW has the first 3 but the second and third are identical to the discs
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Yes, they decided to redub Indy (maybe others? don't know) for the BD 5.1 italian soundtrack; while the dubber is very good, and I like it, his voice is NOT suitable for Indiana Jones... I mean, we (italian people) all grew with the original (dubbed) voice of Indy for decades, and now you (BD producer) would think to foolish us with a completely different voice?
I must admit they also include a 2.0 soundtrack... but its quality is really low...
Back to WOWOW: I'm sure that EP1 has original non-CGI scenes, while the BD has the *improved* versions... are you sure that there are NOT any other *improved* scenes on EP2 and EP3? Apart that, what about WOWOW's DNR and resolution? Color grading should be different, at least...
Last thing: WOWOW versions have japanese subtitles during all the movie(s), or only in the scenes with english writings?
Sorry for all these questions, but now I'm in and really curious! (^^,)
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No the CGI is not in the WOWOW nor the BD, the BD has DNR on the effects shots tho
No subs on my versions
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My WOWOW has only one Japanese subtitle and it occurs right at the beginning of the film when the text "South America 1936" appears on the screen. That's the only one I noticed during the WOWOW version. I realize some files had it removed but mine does have it. Great looking broadcast though.
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dvdmike said:
People saying the WOWOW was too cold and not warm enough...
Not the best source or encode but THX WOW HD Vs. WOWOW
<a href="http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982</a>" title="screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982">http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982</a>" target="_blank">http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982">http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982</a>
Uhh...what's this THX WOW HD?? The Wow demo was never released in HD, AFAIK.
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Back to WOWOW: I'm sure that EP1 has original non-CGI scenes, while the BD has the *improved* versions...
If you mean Raiders of the Lost Ark, several shots have been digitally tweaked since the DVD format, the "WOWOW- broadcast" is altered, the BD less so.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
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digitalfreaknyc said:
dvdmike said:
People saying the WOWOW was too cold and not warm enough...
Not the best source or encode but THX WOW HD Vs. WOWOW
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982" title="screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982">http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982" target="_blank">http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982">http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/36982
Uhh...what's this THX WOW HD?? The Wow demo was never released in HD, AFAIK.
There is a whole thread for it in this section of the forum
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msycamore said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Back to WOWOW: I'm sure that EP1 has original non-CGI scenes, while the BD has the *improved* versions...
If you mean Raiders of the Lost Ark, several shots have been digitally tweaked since the DVD format, the "WOWOW- broadcast" is altered, the BD less so.
It really is not
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Take a look at this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
WOWOW has the original matte painting scene, don't know about BD (it should be the same); the bottom CGI scene could be found on HDnet.
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Take a look at this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
WOWOW has the original matte painting scene, don't know about BD (it should be the same); the bottom CGI scene could be found on HDnet.
The BD uses the original jeep matte. The DVD's and HD-broadcasts contains other much more subtle tweaks like this matte shot for example: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=14343&cap2=14327&art=full&image=2&cID=1273&action=1&lossless=#vergleich
See removal of mattelines and tweaked shadows in the water. The BD is the original. I'm not the biggest fan of the timing on the BD but they did some things right.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Take a look at this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
WOWOW has the original matte painting scene, don't know about BD (it should be the same); the bottom CGI scene could be found on HDnet.
You said the CGI was in the WOWOW then you change your mind with that clip while defending your position further?
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The WOWOW does not have the CGI matte painting, but it does have more alterations then the bluray. They digitally removed a pole in the bolder sequence, removed matte lines, and "tweaked" some other shots as msycamore mentioned.
The only changes in the bluray are the removal of the glass marks in the snake pit and the new color timing. The bluray actually has the least amount of changes when compared with the HDTV's and DVD versions, although some may find the new colors hard to stomach.
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penguinofgreatness said:
The WOWOW does not have the CGI matte painting, but it does have more alterations then the bluray. They digitally removed a pole in the bolder sequence, removed matte lines, and "tweaked" some other shots as msycamore mentioned.
The only changes in the bluray are the removal of the glass marks in the snake pit and the new color timing. The bluray actually has the least amount of changes when compared with the HDTV's and DVD versions, although some may find the new colors hard to stomach.
I hate them
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dvdmike said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Take a look at this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
WOWOW has the original matte painting scene, don't know about BD (it should be the same); the bottom CGI scene could be found on HDnet.
You said the CGI was in the WOWOW then you change your mind with that clip while defending your position further?
It seems I wrote that the WOWOW has non-CGI scenes...
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Back to WOWOW: I'm sure that EP1 has original non-CGI scenes, while the BD has the *improved* versions...
Well, speaking about changes, the BD has the better version, right? I could live without glass reflection, by the way...
But - and we all agree on this - the BD has the worst color timing.
What about DNR, EE and film grain on BD?
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
dvdmike said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Take a look at this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
WOWOW has the original matte painting scene, don't know about BD (it should be the same); the bottom CGI scene could be found on HDnet.
You said the CGI was in the WOWOW then you change your mind with that clip while defending your position further?
It seems I wrote that the WOWOW has non-CGI scenes...
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Back to WOWOW: I'm sure that EP1 has original non-CGI scenes, while the BD has the *improved* versions...
Well, speaking about changes, the BD has the better version, right? I could live without glass reflection, by the way...
But - and we all agree on this - the BD has the worst color timing.
What about DNR, EE and film grain on BD?
As stated earlier, the BD has some DNR on effects shots
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I'm almost finished my "The Thing" project, and result is almost perfect (using HD-DVD as video and laserdisc as color reference)... what about using BD video and WOWOW color reference to obtain the best version? I mean, we could forgive some DNR on effect shots if we have right colors (or, at least, better colors), do you all agree?
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I'm almost finished my "The Thing" project, and result is almost perfect (using HD-DVD as video and laserdisc as color reference)... what about using BD video and WOWOW color reference to obtain the best version? I mean, we could forgive some DNR on effect shots if we have right colors (or, at least, better colors), do you all agree?
Eh. I can live with the BD colors, and if you want the earlier colors, just watch the WOWOW release. The WOWOW release does have some flaws (it's a little over-sharpened and it has some minor digital alterations) but overall it's an ok transfer. (and there is no DNR on the effects shots)
Plus, while the BD colors are not original (especially the teal that crops up), there is no real way to determine how accurate the WOWOW colors are. (I actually think the warmer tones of the bluray often fit the movie better, although dvdmike would disagree.)
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penguinofgreatness said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I'm almost finished my "The Thing" project, and result is almost perfect (using HD-DVD as video and laserdisc as color reference)... what about using BD video and WOWOW color reference to obtain the best version? I mean, we could forgive some DNR on effect shots if we have right colors (or, at least, better colors), do you all agree?
Eh. I can live with the BD colors, and if you want the earlier colors, just watch the WOWOW release. The WOWOW release does have some flaws (it's a little over-sharpened and it has some minor digital alterations) but overall it's an ok transfer. (and there is no DNR on the effects shots)
Plus, while the BD colors are not original (especially the teal that crops up), there is no real way to determine how accurate the WOWOW colors are. (I actually think the warmer tones of the bluray often fit the movie better, although dvdmike would disagree.)
SO would others and the THX wow trailer, but I am an easy target I guess
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I'm not targeting you. And I'm well aware that you could be very likely right about the whole matter.
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I'm almost finished my "The Thing" project, and result is almost perfect (using HD-DVD as video and laserdisc as color reference)... what about using BD video and WOWOW color reference to obtain the best version? I mean, we could forgive some DNR on effect shots if we have right colors (or, at least, better colors), do you all agree?
I think it would be perfect to have the BD video with the wowow color timing!
And let's not forget the LD audio!
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I "borrowed" these links discovered onto the "raiders of the lost ark" thread - thanks dvdmike!
screenshot comparison - the chest
I strongly agree with dvdmike: if WOWOW has not the *right* color grading, surely it's better than BD - this is only my opinion, of course; but I'm not alone, as many prefer WOWOW over BD.
It seems to me that WOWOW has more details than BD - it could be used as source for a project, taking BD scenes (color graded) only when WOWOW has the *corrected* version.
BDgeek said:
I think it would be perfect to have the BD video with the wowow color timing!
And let's not forget the LD audio!
Of course, if I'll decide to do such project, I'll add LD PCM audio for english and italian too - I'm happy we had these trilogy on LD in Italy!
And, if our french forum friend have the three french laserdiscs and want to rip them (I'm pretty sure anwers are both positives) I'll add french LD PCM too!
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I strongly agree with dvdmike: if WOWOW has not the *right* color grading, surely it's better than BD...
...It seems to me that WOWOW has more details than BD - it could be used as source for a project, taking BD scenes (color graded) only when WOWOW has the *corrected* version.
I agree. It would interesting to see a three-way comparison of the BD, WOWOW and THX WOW.
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Chewtobacca said:
I agree. It would interesting to see a three-way comparison of the BD, WOWOW and THX WOW.
3-way comparison between BD, WOWOW and Lowry HDTV:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389823/indiana-jones-trilogy/600#post_22387490
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Thanks but that's not quite what I wanted. :-)