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lordjedi said:

How do you guys even enjoy movies anymore? You nitpick over every little thing, down to the possibility of a pick up shot looking out of place. It's no wonder you haven't seen a movie you've liked in the past 10 years.

To quote Charlie Brown "Good grief".


I didn't like the 'joke' anyway, all I'm saying is that it looked bad, I'm not sure why but it did. In the end this could have been a fully CG film or it could have been a completely non CG film it would still be rubbish because of the script, the plot had massive holes and the dialogue wasn't great.

I didn't set out to nitpick this film, I really wanted to like it, but I just can't go to the cinema and turn my brain off, if things don't make sense I notice that and it makes it harder to enjoy the film, I can ignore a few little problems but when you have huge problems with the plot as well as a load of other little problems it adds up to a bad film.

my point about the CG is just that it shows that the filmmakers kept taking the easy way, they obviously didn't care if it ended up looking like crap, and with the budget and resources they had there is no reason the film should look this bad.

and for the record I've seen loads of films I liked in the last 10 years, some I absolutely love, I'm not saying none of them have problems but what they all have is a plot that works which means I can ignore the little problems, the fact is I do not enjoy a film unless it has a good plot and a good script. It's hard to believe that there have been at least 5 writers for Indy 4 and ~15 years of script development and this is the best they could come up with, I had low expectations for the film but the least I was expecting was the wonderful script we had been promised.
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canofhumdingers said:

@ChainsawAsh.

It's funny you mention the motorcyclce chase & the graveyard sequences as those were the only two that parts of the movie that really FELT like Indiana Jones to me. I loved those parts of the movie. the rest varied from bland to outright awful.
Agreed. From meeting Mutt to getting captured in the graveyard felt like an Indiana Jones movie, and a pretty good one too.

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lordjedi said:

How do you guys even enjoy movies anymore? You nitpick over every little thing, down to the possibility of a pick up shot looking out of place. It's no wonder you haven't seen a movie you've liked in the past 10 years.

To quote Charlie Brown "Good grief".


But its the internet, and this is Bitching 101!

I am suprised at the nitpicking, because it is just an Indiana Jones movie, as it should be taken with a grain of salt. I still think the movie pretty much sucked, but I thought Last Crusade sucked too, so I really didn't expect anything from this movie, although I am still suprised at how uninterested Ford looked throughout the whole movie.

I think the difference between nitpicking in the PT movies and the Indy movies, is essentially the SW movies are telling one story, so plot points from one movie do affect the other, so the smallest detail like C3PO being owned by Uncle Owen for 10 years really makes the ANH scene where he buys him yet doesn't recognize him totally ridiculous. So you could say that is a nitpick from AOTC, but definitely hurts ANH when you watch them in order. Indy movies to me are just standalone movies you can recognize or not, and I only recognize Raiders in my book.
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It turns out Michael Bay's prediction was true this movie does indeed suck.

I cannot wait for The Dark Knight to bury this movie since Iron Man was unable to. the new Batman flick is gonna rock. The trailer of it before indy was better than the movie proper, you know something is wrong when a coming attractions is better than the movie you pay upwards of 8.00 dollars to see at a matinee.

Even the rediculous over laden cgi trailer for Hellboy II was more entertaining and had less cringe worthy humor.

Ox was a retard the whole movie until the end, i really almost thought it was the second coming of Jar Jar Binks.

Never mind the russians somehow in about thirty seconds outrunning a h-bomb blast when you have to be five miles away to be safe, and indy sailing through the air in a refrigerator that somehow prevented him from being incinerated just because it was lead lined, LOL.

The warehouse looked entirely fake and like it was greenscreened in the same old rolls royce warehouse they shot the prequels. Spielberg may think the matte painting at the end of Raiders looked fake but i actually like that and hated this.

I am also confused as to why spielberg elected to shoot this all on film, it really seems a waste if it has fake cgi rendered in a computer in 90% of the movie.

the koepp script is absolute rubbish after writing this and war of the worlds the guy should never be allowed to write another movie, spielberg also should give up directing both films sucked.

Spielberg is directing the first Tintin Film next it is an entirely computer rendered animated movie like Beowulf, i hope that and lincoln don't suck.

I have much more faith that Peter Jackson will do a good job than Spielberg.

You would think for a movie that had been in development for 18 years and that cost reportedly almost 200 million to make would be a better film.

Raiders cost was something like 35 million and that movie is a million times better than crystal skull. More Like Indiana Jones and The temple of the crystal turd.

I think Connery was on to something when he turned this movie down, but then again all one has to do is watch the lackluster prequels. Anything with Lucasfilm on it these days must be treated with utmost suspicion.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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"I am also confused as to why spielberg elected to shoot this all on film, it really seems a waste if it has fake cgi rendered in a computer in 90% of the movie."

Alright, you guys have fun bitching in here, I'm done with this thread. I thought the movie was decent, on par with the last 2. That's the last I'll say on the subject. See you in another thread.
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Wow. Every shot in KOTCS was awful!? I wondered many years ago why TPM was so bad, and then I realized that everything was bad about it. Now six years later, we have come full circle.
So which film is worse: TPM, AOTC, ROTS, KOTCS, Plan nine from outer space, or Manos: the hands of fate?
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I know I said I was done with this thread, BUT...

... The Frank Darabont draft ("Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods") has leaked. You can find it online if you know where to look. Contact me via PM if you're interested, I can point you in the right direction.

*Now* I'm done with the thread.
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WARNING SPOILERS READ AT OWN RISK!

You can get every Indiana Jones Movie script online except for Crystal Skull. There is no illustrated screenplay, or facsimile script book.

Though with some searching like I did you can find Indiana Jones And The Saucer Men from Mars, Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, and Of Course, City of the Gods. All are legitimate scripts for Indy 4.

The one closest to what we finally got yet different is City of the Gods. For Instance in the Darabount Script opens with lizards instead of prairie dogs, and the song shake rattle and roll instead of hound dog by elvis. The music was swapped to a different scene.

There are some very bad lines of dialogue equal or worse than what ended up in the movie. Like Henry Sr. Slapping Indy in the face because he was accused at the university and by the gov. as being a commie and wanted to walk away, he says to henry jones jr aka indiana, "now i know why you're are named after the dog"

When Connery turned the project down it is fairly obvious that the father son relationship was shifted to be between Indiana and his son.

This is why the mutt character is not in this draft.

Also the Script by Frank Darabount seems to be as much Pastiche Raiders as it is Last Crusade.

At least Steven and George aimed to have kotcs stand on its own merits whether they failed or succeeded is another matter entirely.

Too bad that it seemed to be more of a nostalgia trip than a film all its own. It relies on the good films in the series to be enjoyed, same with the star wars prequels people tolerated there mediocre plot because of the love they bore for the originals from 1977-1983.

Then again Raiders seems to be the only film in the series that holds up to repeated viewings. I used to Love Last Crusade and to an extent i still do but i do notice flaws in it some minor and others major.

Other than the bits cobbled together from the raiders script namely the best scenes in the film of temple of doom shanghai and the mine cart sequence, the film is an entire waste. If it was not for Williams providing some wonderful music that film would fall flat.

I will admit i even enjoyed the ludicrous raft moment in the film everyone seems to compare to the nuked fridge which brought me straight out of the movie willful suspension of disbelief only goes so far. Star Wars can get away with things Indiana Jones cannot, Indiana Jones is not science fiction and while the series fiction pretends to be set in the real world.

Lucas cannot get away with the same excuse as once upon a time, or A long Time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Yet is was sadly inevitable that Lucas would ruin another franchise; it's just proof that this world is unjust and that Lucas should be barred 100 miles from anything associated with film. If he just stuck with car racing or walnut farming, maybe the world would be slightly less miserable.
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skyjedi2005 said:



Spielberg is directing the first Tintin Film next it is an entirely computer rendered animated movie like Beowulf, i hope that and lincoln don't suck.

I have much more faith that Peter Jackson will do a good job than Spielberg.


Well, considering that Steven Moffat is writing the screenplays for the Tintin movies, I will be very surprised if they turn out badly.

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