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but tell me this... according to my observation, why is the cinematography looking very distinct and "modern" as opposed to the older "Jones" movies? Look at the shot where Indy and Mac are cornered by the soldiers. Is that digital glow I see? Also, I hate the green tint in that shot. Not very natural. The old Indy movies never had those.
THAT made me feel a bit, well, sad.
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Or am I thinking of something else...
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Lord Phillock said:
that may be true, bkev....
but tell me this... according to my observation, why is the cinematography looking very distinct and "modern" as opposed to the older "Jones" movies? Look at the shot where Indy and Mac are cornered by the soldiers. Is that digital glow I see? Also, I hate the green tint in that shot. Not very natural. The old Indy movies never had those.
THAT made me feel a bit, well, sad.
that may be true, bkev....
but tell me this... according to my observation, why is the cinematography looking very distinct and "modern" as opposed to the older "Jones" movies? Look at the shot where Indy and Mac are cornered by the soldiers. Is that digital glow I see? Also, I hate the green tint in that shot. Not very natural. The old Indy movies never had those.
THAT made me feel a bit, well, sad.
Its shot by Kaminsky. Thats his style. I actually thought it was pretty neautral. Its higher contrast than the previous films, but thats because modern taste is contrast, whereas before modern taste was more high-key (ie Raiders looks the same as ET, Jaws, Close Encounters and any other Speilberg movie of that era). I really don't think its all that distracting, its not like Minority Report or War of the Worlds or anything, I think you have to accept some degree of modern updating when you are considering an Indiana Jones sequel in the year 2008.
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By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY
To hear him talk, you'd think George Lucas would have preferred to call his movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get Your Hopes Up.
Lucas, who co-wrote and produced the May 22 film, can sound downright sullen when it comes to his expectations of fan reaction to the year's most highly anticipated movie.
"When you do a movie like this, a sequel that's very, very anticipated, people anticipate ultimately that it's going to be the Second Coming," Lucas says. "And it's not. It's just a movie. Just like the other movies. You probably have fond memories of the other movies. But if you went back and looked at them, they might not hold up the same way your memory holds up."
The remarks appear to be part of a larger strategy to build interest yet temper expectations for the fourth installment of the Indiana Jones franchise. Only one trailer is playing, and when director Steven Spielberg shows up for talk shows, he doesn't bring footage.
Lucas says he learned his lesson about unrealistic expectations when he revived the Star Wars franchise in 1999. "When people approach the new (Indiana Jones), much like they did with Phantom Menace, they have a tendency to be a little harder on it," he says. "You're not going to get a lot of accolades doing a movie like this. All you can do is lose."
Except when it comes to money. Analysts expect it to rake in well more than double its reported budget of $125 million. But Lucas says that doesn't hold much sway for him, Spielberg and Harrison Ford.
"We came back to do (Indy) because we wanted to have fun," he says. "It's not going to make much money for us in the end. We all have some money. … It would make a lot of money if you weren't rich. But we're not doing it for the money."
It's fan and critic reaction for which the team is bracing, but Lucas says he has quit trying to appeal to everyone. "It was really a blast" to make. "And it turned out fantastic. … I like to watch it."
Lucas concedes that it will be impossible to water down expectations, even among fellow filmmakers.
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CO said:
To hear him talk, you'd think George Lucas would have preferred to call his movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get Your Hopes Up.
To hear him talk, you'd think George Lucas would have preferred to call his movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get Your Hopes Up.
I sort of hate to admit it, but Lucas has a point here. When Episode I came out, everyone's expectations of it was so high, no movie ever made could of fulfilled it. Lucas tried then to bring expecations down to a realistic level, but it never worked. So I think he's trying to prevent fanboys, etc from going into the movie expecting the greatest film ever made.
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Number20 said:
I sort of hate to admit it, but Lucas has a point here. When Episode I came out, everyone's expectations of it was so high, no movie ever made could of fulfilled it. Lucas tried then to bring expecations down to a realistic level, but it never worked. So I think he's trying to prevent fanboys, etc from going into the movie expecting the greatest film ever made.
I sort of hate to admit it, but Lucas has a point here. When Episode I came out, everyone's expectations of it was so high, no movie ever made could of fulfilled it. Lucas tried then to bring expecations down to a realistic level, but it never worked. So I think he's trying to prevent fanboys, etc from going into the movie expecting the greatest film ever made.
Then why didn't Lucas ever talk like this during the 80's when a slew of SW & Indy sequels were coming out? I never heard Lucas once say when ESB, ROTJ, Temple of Doom, or Last Crusade come out, "Don't get too hyped for this movie, you will be in for a big letdown!"
We all know that sequels never equal the original, except for that rare instance like ESB or Godfather II, but this whole article tells me that Lucas is just going through the motions anymore, and if the fans aren't happy with this movie, it is the fans fault, not his as Lucas probably feels.
Sorry, but it wasn't my fault that the PT didn't turn out like it did, it was George's fault, just like wasn't my fault that the OT turned out so good, it was George's success. Lucas want's it both ways, "Don't shoot me if it sucks, but give me all the glory if it's great."
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I can see the same thing happening with Indiana Jones. I don't think its a "blame it on the fans if it sucks", but just a "go into the film with realistic expectations"
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The difference between the Star Wars Trilogy and Indiana Jones Trilogy of the 80's and the new movies are that fans have been waiting for this movie for years and years. Yes, looking back on it, Star Wars Ep. I really wasn't that great. But people had been waiting for that film forever, and by the time it was actually close to coming out, people were in a frenzy for it. I think that even if Ep. I had been on par with ESB, I think people would of been dissapointed, because after all these years and all the talk about it, everyone's expectations were sky-high, and unrealistic. Its similar to comic book movies, where fanboys gripe that their favorite villian, minor character, or scenario didn't make the film, and so it sucked.
I can see the same thing happening with Indiana Jones. I don't think its a "blame it on the fans if it sucks", but just a "go into the film with realistic expectations"
The difference between the Star Wars Trilogy and Indiana Jones Trilogy of the 80's and the new movies are that fans have been waiting for this movie for years and years. Yes, looking back on it, Star Wars Ep. I really wasn't that great. But people had been waiting for that film forever, and by the time it was actually close to coming out, people were in a frenzy for it. I think that even if Ep. I had been on par with ESB, I think people would of been dissapointed, because after all these years and all the talk about it, everyone's expectations were sky-high, and unrealistic. Its similar to comic book movies, where fanboys gripe that their favorite villian, minor character, or scenario didn't make the film, and so it sucked.
I can see the same thing happening with Indiana Jones. I don't think its a "blame it on the fans if it sucks", but just a "go into the film with realistic expectations"
I gotta disagree on that one. People wanted to love TPM, and they were ready to, but it just didn't deliver. I mean look at ROTS--its not even that good a movie, but people loved it. The public does not have very high standards, but Star Wars is held to higher standards because its on a level of its own, but not THAT high, not UNREALISTIC. Look at Return of the King--people had high expectations for it, and it delivered because it was a good movie.
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Its shot by Kaminsky. Thats his style.
I'm very aware of this. I'm just stating that it should have matched the older films.
I'm sick of this new style of cinematography, and I wished Indy4 would look just as old and classy as the older ones. Bah.
And, I don't think it's an update. To me, cinematography can't be "updated"... sure it can "look" like a 2000s movie, but that doesn't mean it's "improved" from previous generation's styles of lighting. I think if they kept it as close as possible to the older films (visually), it would be so much more "creative", really... because no one does that anymore; and to do that would be a very pleasant surprise. It would feel more "fresh"... don't you think?
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George Lucas says his new 'Indiana Jones' is 'just a movie'
By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY
To hear him talk, you'd think George Lucas would have preferred to call his movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get Your Hopes Up.
Lucas, who co-wrote and produced the May 22 film, can sound downright sullen when it comes to his expectations of fan reaction to the year's most highly anticipated movie.
"When you do a movie like this, a sequel that's very, very anticipated, people anticipate ultimately that it's going to be the Second Coming," Lucas says. "And it's not. It's just a movie. Just like the other movies. You probably have fond memories of the other movies. But if you went back and looked at them, they might not hold up the same way your memory holds up."
George Lucas says his new 'Indiana Jones' is 'just a movie'
By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY
To hear him talk, you'd think George Lucas would have preferred to call his movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get Your Hopes Up.
Lucas, who co-wrote and produced the May 22 film, can sound downright sullen when it comes to his expectations of fan reaction to the year's most highly anticipated movie.
"When you do a movie like this, a sequel that's very, very anticipated, people anticipate ultimately that it's going to be the Second Coming," Lucas says. "And it's not. It's just a movie. Just like the other movies. You probably have fond memories of the other movies. But if you went back and looked at them, they might not hold up the same way your memory holds up."
I don't know about him, but I love Raiders and Last Crusade each and every time I see it. ToD is the only one of the three that I've never really liked and even that one seems to get better with each viewing.
No George, they don't hold up to your memory. They hold up perfectly well to our memories. We do continue to watch them (what's this if crap, they're available on DVD and people have bought them), love them, and enjoy them. This is in contrast to the crapfest that is your PT. We can watch the Indiana Jones movies without cringing. We can't say the same thing for the PT.
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Anyway, it is a good pre-emtive counter strike to all the criticism he is obviously expecting to get over this thing. I have heard too many people defend the PT by saying that the OT was too much to live up too, that is BS. Sure it will be different, but it doesn't mean it has to suck. The PT did not suffer from not living up to the standards of the OT, the PT suffered from being a series of really poorly written and executed money magnets.
Hmm, I kind of like that, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Don't Get your Hopes Up. IJatKofCS:DGYHU, when a title gets that long, abreviations just don't quite cut it do they?
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Lord Phillock said:
To me, cinematography can't be "updated"... sure it can "look" like a 2000s movie, but that doesn't mean it's "improved" from previous generation's styles of lighting. I think if they kept it as close as possible to the older films (visually), it would be so much more "creative", really... because no one does that anymore; and to do that would be a very pleasant surprise. It would feel more "fresh"... don't you think?
To me, cinematography can't be "updated"... sure it can "look" like a 2000s movie, but that doesn't mean it's "improved" from previous generation's styles of lighting. I think if they kept it as close as possible to the older films (visually), it would be so much more "creative", really... because no one does that anymore; and to do that would be a very pleasant surprise. It would feel more "fresh"... don't you think?
I totally agree. I always said that if Lucas had strived to make the prequels match the OT in terms of cinematography and effects he would have been praised for making a 'retro' film. Tarantino mimcs older styles and gets praised, John Favreau used old school techniques to shoot Zathura and was praised, Michel Gondry used in-camera and stage effects for Eternal Sunshine and was praised, imagine if George had done that for Star Wars and imagine if they had done that for the new Indy movie - it would have been so cool, especially with the current 80s retro mania that seems to be in fashion right now. A missed opportunity if you ask me. George could still have used his beloved computers, but use them imaginitely to give a non-digital look. And with his money and creative team the puppets could have been awesome - just look at Pan's labyrinth.
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Translation: Indiana Jones and This movie will probably suck so don't blame me, blame yourself for not being a kid again.
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... a good pre-emtive counter strike to all the criticism he is obviously expecting to get over this thing.
... a good pre-emtive counter strike to all the criticism he is obviously expecting to get over this thing.
I think that's it exactly.
It's two-fold approach for him. He gets to look as though he isn't an egomaniac by appearing not to be bothered by a poor reception - and - he gets to feign shock at its success if it does well.
I have heard too many people defend the PT by saying that the OT was too much to live up too, that is BS....the PT suffered from being...really poorly written and executed
That's it in a nutshell.
Sequels aren't automatically bad. If they're done well, they can be just as good or better than the previous film\films, ie: Godfather II, Empire Strikes Back*, Casino Royale, Batman Begins, Two Towers.
*I like Star Wars better, but I'm in the minority. Empire was well done.
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Made me remember what the wise old profit Yogurt said...
"Merchandising"
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Hey look, a bear!
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Saw another promotional photos today. Two of them featured that female agent, I.Spalko. I'm not the kind of guy who counts how many shots Indy fired from his 6-shot revolver (and other usual nitpicking), yet I simply have problem with swallowing the amount of improbabilty in this upcoming movie.
She's dressed in some kind of a uniform (let's not get into details if it's done properly or not - it has Soviet star on the belt buckle, so it's at least supposed to resemble uniform, right?). I thought she will appear like that in S.America, commanding the detachment of troops. Yet I see her in that super secret US Army base, the one with that mysterious warehouse. Well, she's only missing big letters "hello, I'm a Soviet spy folks!" on her back! And she's marching straight into secret warehouse, hidden in the middle of the nowhere and guarded by US troops.
Right...
And another shot: she threatens to kill poor Indy by putting some blade to his throat. Oh gee, what an intriguing action shot! But what is that weapon? A rapier? A some sort of straight sabre (e.g. like in US Navy) ? She marched into US base, in 1957, with a 2-foot long sabre? "Oh, I beg your pardon, I'm just a Soviet sporstwoman-fencer and I got lost here"
WTF?
Who gets paid for such scripts? >:(
How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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RRS-1980 said:
Who gets paid for such scripts? >:(
Who gets paid for such scripts? >:(
David Koepp, apparently.
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RRS-1980 said:
Yeah, they won't forget about candy bars, but they will drop the common sense somewhere in the way.
Saw another promotional photos today. Two of them featured that female agent, I.Spalko. I'm not the kind of guy who counts how many shots Indy fired from his 6-shot revolver (and other usual nitpicking), yet I simply have problem with swallowing the amount of improbabilty in this upcoming movie.
She's dressed in some kind of a uniform (let's not get into details if it's done properly or not - it has Soviet star on the belt buckle, so it's at least supposed to resemble uniform, right?). I thought she will appear like that in S.America, commanding the detachment of troops. Yet I see her in that super secret US Army base, the one with that mysterious warehouse. Well, she's only missing big letters "hello, I'm a Soviet spy folks!" on her back! And she's marching straight into secret warehouse, hidden in the middle of the nowhere and guarded by US troops.
Right...
And another shot: she threatens to kill poor Indy by putting some blade to his throat. Oh gee, what an intriguing action shot! But what is that weapon? A rapier? A some sort of straight sabre (e.g. like in US Navy) ? She marched into US base, in 1957, with a 2-foot long sabre? "Oh, I beg your pardon, I'm just a Soviet sporstwoman-fencer and I got lost here"
WTF?
Who gets paid for such scripts? >:(
Yeah, they won't forget about candy bars, but they will drop the common sense somewhere in the way.
Saw another promotional photos today. Two of them featured that female agent, I.Spalko. I'm not the kind of guy who counts how many shots Indy fired from his 6-shot revolver (and other usual nitpicking), yet I simply have problem with swallowing the amount of improbabilty in this upcoming movie.
She's dressed in some kind of a uniform (let's not get into details if it's done properly or not - it has Soviet star on the belt buckle, so it's at least supposed to resemble uniform, right?). I thought she will appear like that in S.America, commanding the detachment of troops. Yet I see her in that super secret US Army base, the one with that mysterious warehouse. Well, she's only missing big letters "hello, I'm a Soviet spy folks!" on her back! And she's marching straight into secret warehouse, hidden in the middle of the nowhere and guarded by US troops.
Right...
And another shot: she threatens to kill poor Indy by putting some blade to his throat. Oh gee, what an intriguing action shot! But what is that weapon? A rapier? A some sort of straight sabre (e.g. like in US Navy) ? She marched into US base, in 1957, with a 2-foot long sabre? "Oh, I beg your pardon, I'm just a Soviet sporstwoman-fencer and I got lost here"
WTF?
Who gets paid for such scripts? >:(
I like how you are judging the feasability of a plot that you honestly know nothing about based on one or two shots you saw in a promotional photograph.
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Damn come on!It's an Indiana Jones movie!Feasibility of plots and stories is not a concern,is it?
I just want Indy to save the day in a hat with a whip with some corking action and great sly quips.
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