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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Originally posted by: Rob
He believes that there is a flying man in the sky who is the supreme ruler of the universe.


...and?


They want to please the flying man rather than the people, I'd rather believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.What I have against it is all the people killed over it and all controlling try to do. Why does it matter so much about gay people marrying to these people? I don't see anything wrong with it. It won't hurt anyone why do people feel so threatened. They also want to put creationism in school which is wrong.

Plus Huck hiked taxes.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmNjMmI1ODhjNGVlZWFmNTlmMGNiZTVjYTg1NTUzMTk=

And freed a rapist to who killed again.
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419

It seems like the only decent Rep. is Ron Paul. He supports something on weather it's constitutional or not. Not on religious beliefs or personal opinion.

BTW I like what Brazil is doing here.\
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071201/ap_on_he_me/brazil_aids;_ylt=AoK1J7fuvLEZdEl4w_CUBwLVJRIF

But if were talking Dems. I like Kucinich.

And nobody likes Guliani too liberal for the GOP too much a criminal and asshole for the Dems.


C'mon most politicians have had to hike taxes at some point or another, they all have done it. Usually they go down in other places, but nobody mentions that. I think you all are really writing Huckabee off too quickly.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: sean wookie


Why do you feel so threatened by him.

Please feel free to point out the part where I said I was threatened by Micheal Moore, because I sure can't find it. I was not all that unserious about what I wrote. I am really getting sick of politicians. A politician that says, "Hey, of course I was lying, I am a politician after all!!" would be a breath of fresh air to me. I think Micheal Moore might be a good alternative to a good number of the canidates. Of course then our country would be a huge joke, but maybe we deserve that.

But as far as being threatened by Michael Moore, it does say something about our country that we are so willing to believe what we want to hear, even when it is proven false we go believing it unphased. Maybe I should feel threatened by that fact, but I really don't. As far as politics and the world situation goes, there is really no reason to feel threatened by any of it anymore. What will be will be.


Maybe it's just the mentioning of Moore, Pelosi, Hilary that gets to me. I can't say I'm a fan of Hilary or Pelosi. Maybe I'm just looking at FreeRepublic.com too much.

C'mon most politicians have had to hike taxes at some point or another, they all have done it. Usually they go down in other places, but nobody mentions that. I think you all are really writing Huckabee off too quickly.


Maybe I am, but I'm not a Republican so I'm not voting for him anyway, Mccain is crazy, Romney is a Morman (The people on Free Republic seem not to like that), Guliani is too liberal and pro-choice(Liberals absoulutely hate him I'm not kidding he is the scariest candate), I've heard things about Huckabee not being a true conservative (have to look more into this.) My bet for the nomination is Romney but I want Paul to get it. I stand for many things Paul stands for Librtarianism, Against the war, anti-drug war, ending don't ask don't tell, against the patriot act. He seems like a decent and honest man, that is probly why Faux News nd the mainstream media ignores him.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
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Why you so against Huckabee, I like the hell outta the guy.


1. He really likes to raise taxes. (The fact he now claims that a democrat-run legislature forced him to support tax increases is cowardly, probably a lie, and another reason to not like him.) He called a pro-taxpayer group in Arkansas a group that was pro "greed." At the very least he thinks it's okay for our government to take in too much money.

2. He really likes wasteful spending on supposedly compassionate programs. He actually thinks he's on a mission from God to waste taxpayer dollars and destroy our economy in the name of helping the poor. He just recently criticized George W Bush for vetoing that horrible s-chip bill the democrats tried to pass! He's a religious nut without a proper perspective of ethics (or the bible for that matter).

3. He was incredibly friendly to illegal immigrants. For instance, he wanted to give free, in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants. If you think having Bush in office is bad on immigration, wait till Huckabee gets in. I don't believe him if he says he'll be tough with immigration.

I think I have more problems beyond this, but I can't remember them at the moment. Those are at least the big ones for me. He's only, perhaps, good with judges. (I say perhaps because he doesn't understand the proper role of the federal government and probably wouldn't know an "originalist" judge if he saw one. All he cares about is abortion and there are more concerns out there.)

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: ferris209
@ Tiptup
Why you so against Huckabee, I like the hell outta the guy.


1. He really likes to raise taxes. (The fact he now claims that a democrat-run legislature forced him to support tax increases is cowardly, probably a lie, and another reason to not like him.) He called a pro-taxpayer group in Arkansas a group that was pro "greed." At the very least he thinks it's okay for our government to take in too much money.

2. He really likes wasteful spending on supposedly compassionate programs. He actually thinks he's on a mission from God to waste taxpayer dollars and destroy our economy in the name of helping the poor. He just recently criticized George W Bush for vetoing that horrible s-chip bill the democrats tried to pass! He's a religious nut without a proper perspective of ethics (or the bible for that matter).

3. He was incredibly friendly to illegal immigrants. For instance, he wanted to give free, in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants. If you think having Bush in office is bad on immigration, wait till Huckabee gets in. I don't believe him if he says he'll be tough with immigration.

I think I have more problems beyond this, but I can't remember them at the moment. Those are at least the big ones for me. He's only, perhaps, good with judges. (I say perhaps because he doesn't understand the proper role of the federal government and probably wouldn't know an "originalist" judge if he saw one. All he cares about is abortion and there are more concerns out there.)


...Holy crap... I was actually considering voting for this guy come primary time.

If all that is true, I'm leaning more and more towards Guliani. I know he's got some unwelcome liberal view points, but he's fiscally more conservative than most candidates up there and is strong on national security. Immigration is the big sticking point. Thompson and Romney most closely reflect my own views, but Thompson has had a poor showing since he announced his candidacy and Romney strikes me as dishonest....

Ugh. This election is so easy in a way: all three of the Democrat candidates are horrible. On the other hand, none of the Republican candidates strike me as strong Conservative leaders. The conservatives are weak candidates and the strong candidates are moderate in some form or fashion.

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: ferris209
@ Tiptup
Why you so against Huckabee, I like the hell outta the guy.


1. He really likes to raise taxes. (The fact he now claims that a democrat-run legislature forced him to support tax increases is cowardly, probably a lie, and another reason to not like him.) He called a pro-taxpayer group in Arkansas a group that was pro "greed." At the very least he thinks it's okay for our government to take in too much money.

2. He really likes wasteful spending on supposedly compassionate programs. He actually thinks he's on a mission from God to waste taxpayer dollars and destroy our economy in the name of helping the poor. He just recently criticized George W Bush for vetoing that horrible s-chip bill the democrats tried to pass! He's a religious nut without a proper perspective of ethics (or the bible for that matter).

3. He was incredibly friendly to illegal immigrants. For instance, he wanted to give free, in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants. If you think having Bush in office is bad on immigration, wait till Huckabee gets in. I don't believe him if he says he'll be tough with immigration.

I think I have more problems beyond this, but I can't remember them at the moment. Those are at least the big ones for me. He's only, perhaps, good with judges. (I say perhaps because he doesn't understand the proper role of the federal government and probably wouldn't know an "originalist" judge if he saw one. All he cares about is abortion and there are more concerns out there.)


Well, I will research the rest, but I know you are a little ill informed on #5. He did support a tuition assistance program for children of illegals who attended public schools from grade school up and whose primary language is english. I have no bad with that, it's not like illegals were running over the border with 17 year old kids andf then getting free college educations. I think he'll be fine on this, he does want to secure the borders, punish sancutary cities, and deport those illegals caught by Officers.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: ferris209
@ Tiptup
Why you so against Huckabee, I like the hell outta the guy.


1. He really likes to raise taxes. (The fact he now claims that a democrat-run legislature forced him to support tax increases is cowardly, probably a lie, and another reason to not like him.) He called a pro-taxpayer group in Arkansas a group that was pro "greed." At the very least he thinks it's okay for our government to take in too much money.

2. He really likes wasteful spending on supposedly compassionate programs. He actually thinks he's on a mission from God to waste taxpayer dollars and destroy our economy in the name of helping the poor. He just recently criticized George W Bush for vetoing that horrible s-chip bill the democrats tried to pass! He's a religious nut without a proper perspective of ethics (or the bible for that matter).

3. He was incredibly friendly to illegal immigrants. For instance, he wanted to give free, in-state tuition to the children of illegal immigrants. If you think having Bush in office is bad on immigration, wait till Huckabee gets in. I don't believe him if he says he'll be tough with immigration.

I think I have more problems beyond this, but I can't remember them at the moment. Those are at least the big ones for me. He's only, perhaps, good with judges. (I say perhaps because he doesn't understand the proper role of the federal government and probably wouldn't know an "originalist" judge if he saw one. All he cares about is abortion and there are more concerns out there.)


...Holy crap... I was actually considering voting for this guy come primary time.

If all that is true, I'm leaning more and more towards Guliani. I know he's got some unwelcome liberal view points, but he's fiscally more conservative than most candidates up there and is strong on national security. Immigration is the big sticking point. Thompson and Romney most closely reflect my own views, but Thompson has had a poor showing since he announced his candidacy and Romney strikes me as dishonest....

Ugh. This election is so easy in a way: all three of the Democrat candidates are horrible. On the other hand, none of the Republican candidates strike me as strong Conservative leaders. The conservatives are weak candidates and the strong candidates are moderate in some form or fashion.


Who is the third?

There is some things I want the next President to do:

1. Legalize same sex marriages
2. Take the troops home
3. Undo The Patriot Act
4. End "don't ask don't tell"
5. Prosecute Cheney and Bush for war crimes
6. End the drug war
7. Legalize pot because it's harmless.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
1. Legalize same sex marriages
2. Take the troops home
3. Undo The Patriot Act
4. End "don't ask don't tell"
5. Prosecute Cheney and Bush for war crimes
6. End the drug war
7. Legalize pot because it's harmless.


Tell me, sean wookie: What color is the sky in your world?
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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Originally posted by: sean wookie
1. Legalize same sex marriages
2. Take the troops home
3. Undo The Patriot Act
4. End "don't ask don't tell"
5. Prosecute Cheney and Bush for war crimes
6. End the drug war
7. Legalize pot because it's harmless.


Tell me, sean wookie: What color is the sky in your world?


It's what I'd like them to do not what I'd expect them to do.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Well, I will research the rest, but I know you are a little ill informed on #5. He did support a tuition assistance program for children of illegals who attended public schools from grade school up and whose primary language is english. I have no bad with that, it's not like illegals were running over the border with 17 year old kids andf then getting free college educations. I think he'll be fine on this, he does want to secure the borders, punish sancutary cities, and deport those illegals caught by Officers.


True, those illegals are more beneficial to society than others. However, free tuition anything makes me angry. It's a waste of taxpayer money. The fact that he'd support that for people with an illegal-immigrant status just makes it worse. Plus, you always hear him talking about how we have to be compassionate and kind to people whenever he discusses immigration. That leads me to conclude that he thinks other people in the party, like Thompson, are not compassionate with the solutions they support. Would you agree with that?

Also, I don't see why Thompson's "poor showing" is a reason to not support him. Sometimes the quality of a candidate and the issues he supports are more important than winning (in comparison to the alternatives at least).

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Originally posted by: sean wookie
1. Legalize same sex marriages
2. Take the troops home
3. Undo The Patriot Act
4. End "don't ask don't tell"
5. Prosecute Cheney and Bush for war crimes
6. End the drug war
7. Legalize pot because it's harmless.


Tell me, sean wookie: What color is the sky in your world?


It's what I'd like them to do not what I'd expect them to do.


...why on Earth would you want them to do these things? The President gets paid to run the country, not run it into the ground.

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Oh, I remembered my other big problem with Huckabee: He really thinks that Global Warming is a huge problem that needs to be addressed by forcing the economy to reduce carbon emissions and by using other bad solutions.


I can't say that any of the current three, "front runner" Republicans really support Republican values in a big way. Romney is best, but I don't trust him to uphold the beliefs he supposedly holds right now. Giuliani is heavily flawed, but he's still not as bad as Huckabee as far as I'm concerned. There are times when I think a guy who's willing to fight for issues as strongly as Giuliani might be a strong enough asset to make up for his problems (assuming he can keep himself in check and not attack his opponents too much). I can also appreciate how Giuliani is at least honest about where he stands on issues (and doesn't pretend to have suddenly changed his mind on things).

I'm hoping one or two of the top three candidates can implode and make room for Thompson, Tancredo, or some other, real Republican. Preferably Thompson, I guess.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Republicans Democrats they r both scabs in going independents
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Originally posted by: sean wookie
1. Legalize same sex marriages
2. Take the troops home
3. Undo The Patriot Act
4. End "don't ask don't tell"
5. Prosecute Cheney and Bush for war crimes
6. End the drug war
7. Legalize pot because it's harmless.


Tell me, sean wookie: What color is the sky in your world?


It's what I'd like them to do not what I'd expect them to do.


...why on Earth would you want them to do these things? The President gets paid to run the country, not run it into the ground.


Most of my reasons for what I support have good moral reasons. And this president ran the country into the ground pretty horribly. Fucking Neocons are Anti-American.
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
SEAN, IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE THEN I SUGGEST YOU DO. THOSE WHO DON'T VOTE HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN.


I am old enough but haven't registered yet.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Originally posted by: sean wookie
1. Legalize same sex marriages
2. Take the troops home
3. Undo The Patriot Act
4. End "don't ask don't tell"
5. Prosecute Cheney and Bush for war crimes
6. End the drug war
7. Legalize pot because it's harmless.


Tell me, sean wookie: What color is the sky in your world?


It's what I'd like them to do not what I'd expect them to do.


...why on Earth would you want them to do these things? The President gets paid to run the country, not run it into the ground.


Most of my reasons for what I support have good moral reasons. And this president ran the country into the ground pretty horribly. Fucking Neocons are Anti-American.


So you want to replace Neo-Cons with far left lunatics. Talk about trading down.

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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
WHAT'S THE HOLD UP ???

Work, School, sitting on my ass. No work tomorrow, only working twice this week, I don't think they hate me. I work hard.



So you want to replace Neo-Cons with far left lunatics. Talk about trading down.


Better to have a lunatic that doesn't want to kill anyone for oil, take away your rights, torture prisoners (we imprisoned Japanese for water boarding in WW2), give people the right to marry, not reduce carbon emissions, Oh yeah and lie about reports on Iran. Bush is a murderer. Rudy won't be any better. Lunatics that want peace are better than Nazis that want war. And about Cheney I think Keith Olberman says it best "An unapologetic warmonger who has long been seeing a world visible only to himself". I can't see any mentally-stable person with a positive image of bush. I just want to see the way he tries to "Wags the dog" out of this one.
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Yeah i say Fuckl both of em they suck indepentants is were ita at
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Originally posted by: {DoS}Hellhound
Yeah i say Fuckl both of em they suck indepentants is were ita at


Was that sentence suppose to make sense? Because I can't decipher it for the life of me. Perhaps your keyboard is malfunctioning?

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
WHAT'S THE HOLD UP ???

Work, School, sitting on my ass. No work tomorrow, only working twice this week, I don't think they hate me. I work hard.



So you want to replace Neo-Cons with far left lunatics. Talk about trading down.


Better to have a lunatic that doesn't want to kill anyone for oil, take away your rights, torture prisoners (we imprisoned Japanese for water boarding in WW2), give people the right to marry, not reduce carbon emissions, Oh yeah and lie about reports on Iran. Bush is a murderer. Rudy won't be any better. Lunatics that want peace are better than Nazis that want war. And about Cheney I think Keith Olberman says it best "An unapologetic warmonger who has long been seeing a world visible only to himself". I can't see any mentally-stable person with a positive image of bush. I just want to see the way he tries to "Wags the dog" out of this one.


Provide facts and proof for you above comments please, most of it is ill-informed opinions.
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no its caled fast fingers add me on msn u will see wat i mean btw where is moth3r im looking for him
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Originally posted by: {DoS}Hellhound
no its caled fast fingers add me on msn u will see wat i mean btw where is moth3r im looking for him


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