If the emporer is so powerful then why hasn’t he mastered cartwheels and flips?
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Anyway, two answers:
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
Or maybe, just maybe, the prequels are shit. Have you ever looked at it from that perspective?
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Force Lightning/Force Choking = Exclusive to Sith
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Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder. To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame. That’s like saying Sidious is sooo evil that he’s the only Sith who can have yellow eyes. That shit would be lame too.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
Or maybe, just maybe, the prequels are shit. Have you ever looked at it from that perspective?
It doesn’t help in this discussion. It’s a “Because not OT”, “Because not George Lucas” and “Because it would diminish the OT” type of response. It definitely doesn’t work when there’s a simple as shit reason for why Vader can’t use Force Lightning.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
More powerful /= God
My simple theory /= lame
To put it another way, I’m comparing Vader and Emperor like I’d compare Star Trek and Star Wars. Both are great but one is slightly greater. You’re comparing anime and science fiction, where one is great and the other is terrible.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
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Force Lightning/Force Choking = Exclusive to Sith
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Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
Doesn’t make him as powerful as the Emperor.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
Emperor can do something Vader can’t. That doesn’t make Vader inept in comparison, it makes him less powerful.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
More powerful /= demi-God.
Nothing you’ve said has given me any reason to abandon the quite simple and reasonable view that Vader was not strong enough to use force lightning.
Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.
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Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
Doesn’t make him as powerful as the Emperor.
I didn’t say it did. It makes him a top tier Force Wilder though.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
Emperor can do something Vader can’t. That doesn’t make Vader inept in comparison, it makes him less powerful.
The definition of inept is as follows
lacking skill or ability
so if he is unable to utilize Force Lightning he is inept by definition in that regard.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
More powerful /= demi-God.
That’s pretty much the next step up when Vader is already a Dark Side Master,
Nothing you’ve said has given me any reason to abandon the quite simple and reasonable view that Vader was not strong enough to use force lightning.
That’s probably because we don’t share the same opinion regarding Vader and/or Sidious’ power.
Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.
And this is why I want Supreme Leader Snoke to be stronger than Sidious by a large margin.
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DominicCobb said:
If you just watch the OT it’s easy to assume that the Emperor is just more powerful. When I was a kid and first saw Dooku use lightning it was a big what the fuck moment. Even in TFA you don’t see Kylo Ren use lightning. It shouldn’t be ubiquitous for sith and you certainly shouldn’t be able to deflect it so easy.
Given the other things Dooku did in AOTC it’s safe to say he’s at least an expert Force Wielder so that’s not surprising to me at all. Kylo Ren on the other hand is an adept Force Wielder. He has massive potential and knows a couple of powerful and obscure abilities but he hasn’t even completed his training and in his mind probing ability he clearly hasn’t mastered that yet. If he continues to train for even a few years he will be an expert or even a top tier Force Wielder.
It’s pointless to continue this debate. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume Vader is less powerful than the Emperor. You don’t agree. Oh well.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
Doesn’t make him as powerful as the Emperor.
I didn’t say it did. It makes him a top tier Force Wilder though.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
Emperor can do something Vader can’t. That doesn’t make Vader inept in comparison, it makes him less powerful.
The definition of inept is as follows
lacking skill or ability
so if he is unable to utilize Force Lightning he is inept by definition in that regard.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
More powerful /= demi-God.
That’s pretty much the next step up when Vader is already a Dark Side Master,
Nothing you’ve said has given me any reason to abandon the quite simple and reasonable view that Vader was not strong enough to use force lightning.
That’s probably because we don’t share the same opinion regarding Vader and/or Sidious’ power.
Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.
And this is why I want Supreme Leader Snoke to be stronger than Sidious by a large margin.
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DominicCobb said:
If you just watch the OT it’s easy to assume that the Emperor is just more powerful. When I was a kid and first saw Dooku use lightning it was a big what the fuck moment. Even in TFA you don’t see Kylo Ren use lightning. It shouldn’t be ubiquitous for sith and you certainly shouldn’t be able to deflect it so easy.Given the other things Dooku did in AOTC it’s safe to say he’s at least an expert Force Wielder so that’s not surprising to me at all. Kylo Ren on the other hand is an adept Force Wielder. He has massive potential and knows a couple of powerful and obscure abilities but he hasn’t even completed his training and in his mind probing ability he clearly hasn’t mastered that yet. If he continues to train for even a few years he will be an expert or even a top tier Force Wielder.
I don’t give a shit about “top tier Force Wielders.” The fact that the EU made it so that force abilities are like unlockable powers in a video game is fucking dumb. In the OT Vader was exceptionally powerful but only the Emperor had the special force lighting ability. The fact that Dooku could do it because he’s a “expert Force Wielder” is stupid as shit. It shouldn’t work that way.
Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Obviously swimming really fast is an ability you can learn over time, so why assume only Michael Phelps is the only person throughout history to win 23 gold medals in swimming?
Answer: because it’s really, really hard.
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And the Legends explanation was that he didn’t have physical arms through which to channel them
I’d love to see Vader shooting lightning from his elbows.
I don’t give a shit about “top tier Force Wielders.” The fact that the EU made it so that force abilities are like unlockable powers in a video game is fucking dumb.
Oh, is that some EU thing? No wonder I didn’t care about it.
It’s pointless to continue this debate. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume Vader is less powerful than the Emperor. You don’t agree. Oh well.
I didn’t he was as powerful as…never mind
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
Doesn’t make him as powerful as the Emperor.
I didn’t say it did. It makes him a top tier Force Wilder though.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
Emperor can do something Vader can’t. That doesn’t make Vader inept in comparison, it makes him less powerful.
The definition of inept is as follows
lacking skill or ability
so if he is unable to utilize Force Lightning he is inept by definition in that regard.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
More powerful /= demi-God.
That’s pretty much the next step up when Vader is already a Dark Side Master,
Nothing you’ve said has given me any reason to abandon the quite simple and reasonable view that Vader was not strong enough to use force lightning.
That’s probably because we don’t share the same opinion regarding Vader and/or Sidious’ power.
Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.
And this is why I want Supreme Leader Snoke to be stronger than Sidious by a large margin.
EDIT:
DominicCobb said:
If you just watch the OT it’s easy to assume that the Emperor is just more powerful. When I was a kid and first saw Dooku use lightning it was a big what the fuck moment. Even in TFA you don’t see Kylo Ren use lightning. It shouldn’t be ubiquitous for sith and you certainly shouldn’t be able to deflect it so easy.Given the other things Dooku did in AOTC it’s safe to say he’s at least an expert Force Wielder so that’s not surprising to me at all. Kylo Ren on the other hand is an adept Force Wielder. He has massive potential and knows a couple of powerful and obscure abilities but he hasn’t even completed his training and in his mind probing ability he clearly hasn’t mastered that yet. If he continues to train for even a few years he will be an expert or even a top tier Force Wielder.
I don’t give a shit about “top tier Force Wielders.” The fact that the EU made it so that force abilities are like unlockable powers in a video game is fucking dumb. In the OT Vader was exceptionally powerful but only the Emperor had the special force lighting ability. The fact that Dooku could do it because he’s a “expert Force Wielder” is stupid as shit. It shouldn’t work that way.
Actually people had to be taught abilities in the EU; the only thing that is actually unlocked is higher proficiency of the abilities. Also I’m not a fan of the “the Emperor is soooo evil that…” thinking so we’ll have to agree to to disagree on that one. The Emperor may be powerful but he is not some demi-God of the Force who is so powerful he can literally pull powers out of his ass.
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Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Because nostalgia
Ok, so you agree he might not be as powerful as the Emperor. Then why is it so hard to understand how he might not be able to do something that the Emperor can do as a result?
It’s like saying I’m stronger than you but I shouldn’t be able to lift more weight than you.
JEDIT: Never mind, after your last post I have no idea what you’re trying to say. But you used “literally” wrong and nostalgia has nothing to do with it.
Ok, so you agree he might not be as powerful as the Emperor. Then why is it so hard to understand how he might not be able to do something that the Emperor can do as a result?
Because Darth Vader is a master of the Dark Side. Let’s say if Vader in the OT was as competent as Darth Maul, Kylo Ren or even the Inquisitors from Rebels I can understand why you would say that as they are nowhere near Sidious but the gap in power between Vader and Sidious isn’t that big to have certain abilities be completely alien to him. Higher proficiency maybe but not entire abilities.
It’s like saying I’m stronger than you but I shouldn’t be able to lift more weight than you.
It’s a little more complicated than that but I see what you’re trying to say.
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Nostalgia has to do with it in Dominic and Impscum’s case. Maybe not yours but theirs.
Also I’m not a fan of the “the Emperor is soooo evil that…” thinking so we’ll have to agree to to disagree on that one. The Emperor may be powerful but he is not some demi-God of the Force who is so powerful he can literally pull powers out of his ass.
It is not because “the Emperor is soooo evil that…”, it is simply because he happened to be born extraordinarily exceptionally gifted. And yes that is why he could “pull powers out of his ass” while no one else could. It is like Einstein “pulling” theory of relativity “out of his ass” while no one else could at the time. We haven’t had a scientist of his calibre since Newton and Galileo and it doesn’t seem we will have one in near future either. Do you get it now?
Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Because nostalgia
Yes, I have a nostalgia for non-stupid things.
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Vader uses something like Force lightning in Splinter of the Mind’s Eye.
Why would a Sith Master teach his apprentice (who he knows is going to eventually attempt to overthrow him) all his tricks? That’s a stupid thing to do.
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