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Gaffer Tape said:

 It makes me think more.  It makes me not take things at face value but to always ask WHY we do anything that we do.  And if I can't figure out any good reason for not doing something, then I'll do it. 

you make one error:  you assume that because you can't figure out any good reason for not doing something, that no reason exists.  

I look at things this way.   I when I see that have been doing something for years and years and years,  I think maybe there is a good reason for this.   Even if I can't figure out what that reason is, there might still be a good reason.   I also figure, why fix what isn't broken?  Why reinvent the wheel?

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Warbler said:

you make one error:  you assume that because you can't figure out any good reason for not doing something, that no reason exists.  

And you make one error:  you assume that I assume that. ;-)  But, and this is addressing a bit of what's quoted below, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd much rather assume there isn't a good reason and work out something new that works for me than assume that someone else's choice for me is valid and just roll with it without ever questioning it.

I look at things this way.   I when I see that have been doing something for years and years and years,  I think maybe there is a good reason for this.   Even if I can't figure out what that reason is, there might still be a good reason.   I also figure, why fix what isn't broken?  Why reinvent the wheel?

I think limiting people, by its very nature, is something that's "broken."  And as to "why reinvent the wheel?"  Well, it's my wheel.  It's the only wheel I'm ever going to have.  I could spend the next several decades doing my best to make sure my wheel is the same as everybody else.  But... why?  There are already millions, if not billions, of people using the same bloody wheel.  Why does the world need me then?  Why does the world need one other person pushing the same wheel?  Maybe my new wheel works better.  Maybe it doesn't.  Maybe it will end up serving some other purpose.  Or maybe it will inspire someone else to invent a new wheel that actually does work better.  Who knows?  But what is me pushing the same wheel going to accomplish?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

 It makes me think more.  It makes me not take things at face value but to always ask WHY we do anything that we do.  And if I can't figure out any good reason for not doing something, then I'll do it. 

you make one error:  you assume that because you can't figure out any good reason for not doing something, that no reason exists.  

I look at things this way.   I when I see that have been doing something for years and years and years,  I think maybe there is a good reason for this.   Even if I can't figure out what that reason is, there might still be a good reason.   I also figure, why fix what isn't broken?  Why reinvent the wheel?

Why eat olives if you've never tried them before?

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adywan said:



Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.


erm, sorry they're not. They are all men, complete with their meat and two veg still intact.


It's not hard to see why he was mistaken. Most male-to-female transsexuals just don't look like natural women.

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Warbler said:

I said what I said not because I dislike gays, but because I dislike all the complications.   

I'm cool with Jews. I like them, I really do. But man, do I dislike the complications their existence brings...

You really can't see why the things you said are getting the reaction they are getting?

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Warbler said:

CP3S said:

The only place I have seen those trough-style urinals are in gay bars.

not sure if serious.

Of course I am being serious. Most gay bars I have been to use trough-style urinals.

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Asian women are very pretty. Also, I've never tried olives but they taste awful. No connection between the two.

Warbler, Gaffer explains his reason:

And I want to, for an instant, shake other people out of their comfort zones and cause them to have to think for a second.  Sure, many will just laugh at the freak and never stop to consider it, but I hope others will manage to have a moment like mine where they suddenly find themselves thinking in new ways.  I'm not trying to "convert" a bunch of gender nonconformist disciples, but I just want people to see something out of the ordinary and consider for just a moment that things can or even should be out of the ordinary.

Whether it has that intended effect upon you (or me) doesn't matter. If it impedes or helps Gaffer in any way, that's his life.

If you started wearing dresses, Warbler, it may not be an improvement in your life. I joked with a friend recently about borrowing her pink parasol. I wasn't quite that brave but it wouldn't be a transformational experience anyways, just a lark, and then I'd be stuck carrying around a parasol. I did relay to her, that "being an ostensibly full-grown man" I'd like to do certain things a man isn't supposed to do - like randomly climb a tree. For the effect of it. So I sort of get Gaffer's intention, though I have no interest in wearing women's clothing. Part of the objection to acting outside of norms is that it is in a way 'immature.' Sort of:

1 Corinthians 13:11 said:

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

We're suppose to be settled and serious, conservative in order to succeed because that's how the world works.

I don't have much of a response to that at the moment, except to conclude with a couple of quotes:

Elwood P. Dowd said:

Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.

Elwood P. Dowd said:

Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

Only part time.

Actually I think most of the women in the hot women thread look silly and somewhat uncomfortable

but it's just clothing.

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Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

Only part time.

Actually I think most of the women in the hot women thread look silly and somewhat uncomfortable

but it's just clothing.

Yikes! Her back must hurt.

Warbler, a lot of men now wear earrings, something that was traditionally worn by women (although it was also worn by men in the past). It doesn't matter whether the man is gay, straight, bi, asexual or whatever, that has become a social norm that people have come to accept. But why should something like that get a pass, whereas me wearing lipstick, skirts and dresses not?

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Gaffer Tape said:

 I've been wearing skirts in public for 7 years now.  :D

why?

It might help to ask why do people who don't run for exercise or play sport wear trainers or jogging bottoms or perhaps more relevantly why do women wear skirts in public?

Skirts cover modesty and are functional clothing (in some situations more so than trousers) so if a woman feels comfortable wearing one why not a man?

 

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TheBoost said:

Due to cultural stereotypes that limit both women's AND men's expectations, there is nowhere to change her diaper in the men's room. 

Since cultural stereotypes result in the men's facilities being inferior, and thus you as a man are made to suffer, shouldn't you become a masculist?

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Wasn't it that if a man wore an earring in his right ear alone, that meant he was gay? Both ears or just the left meant you weren't. Could be wrong but that's how I remember understanding it when I was a teenager. 

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That was the briefly true in the UK (seventies and eighties) but not everywhere like Polari, hanky codes and cottaging.

Homosexuals living in secret and using secret codes to communicate to each other has largely been made redundant and only the sphere of the very insecure or isolated.

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Bingowings said:

That was the briefly true in the UK (seventies and eighties) but not everywhere like Polari, hanky codes and cottaging.

Homosexuals living in secret and using secret codes to communicate to each other has largely been made redundant and only the sphere of the very insecure or isolated.

Indeed. I think it was during the Victorian era that Homosexuals would wear a green carnation so that one another would secretly know their orientation... or maybe that was just a thing followers of Oscar Wilde's would wear.

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adywan said:

Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

erm, sorry they're not. They are all men, complete with their meat and two veg still intact.

My mind=BLOWN

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

TheBoost said:

Due to cultural stereotypes that limit both women's AND men's expectations, there is nowhere to change her diaper in the men's room. 

Since cultural stereotypes result in the men's facilities being inferior, and thus you as a man are made to suffer, shouldn't you become a masculist?

Not sure if serious.

What I suffered from was a trickle down effect of ladies being given limited options, culturally this also limits my options as a man.

The male dominated system has limited females into caregiving roles (FOX news has been crazy with that this week). I'm suffering a consequence of that system. I'm not suffering a female dominated system limiting my options.

A dude out with his baby not having a place to change her is the flipside of telling women to get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwhich.

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After seeing STiD I used the restroom, saw a baby changing station, and thought of this thread.

I'm forever changed now.  My youngest is almost (almost!) past the point of needing a changing station, but I'll be looking for them for the rest of my life.

Thanks, TheBoost!

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Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

 I've been wearing skirts in public for 7 years now.  :D

why?

 

It might help to ask why do people who don't run for exercise or play sport wear trainers or jogging bottoms or perhaps more relevantly why do women wear skirts in public?

Skirts cover modesty and are functional clothing (in some situations more so than trousers) so if a woman feels comfortable wearing one why not a man?

 

 

Ok look. Skirts, in all shapes and sizes (mini skirts or just below the knee skirts) do not appear in the unisex department in a clothes store. If a man is seen wearing any form of skirt it usually tends to be them out having a laugh (repleat with dodgy make up, wig and high heels etc) rather than it being a form of casual dress. And offcourse women can wear trousers. Be it jeans or as part of a ladies trouser suit. Which, incidentally, can look very smart on a lady and very attractive. Seeing a man in a skirt is about as attractive as a pair of hob nail boots. And don't come at me with the kilt or grass skirt argument, because that is a form of traditional and cultural attire from a nations history which is not prevalent in modern times. I personally don't think even a gay man would wear a skirt purely out of dignity. There a forms of attire that are specifically related and designed for the sexes. And skirts, along with high heels and blouses etc are for women. Just the way it is. Somethings will never change...lol :-D (love that tune)

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TheBoost said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

erm, sorry they're not. They are all men, complete with their meat and two veg still intact.

My mind=BLOWN

didn't you see it coming a mile away, though?

anyway, they're all gorgeous.

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^Sarongs, kilts and grass skirts are already sold in mens clothing shops.

And a large minority of people dabble in 'trannywear' for a variety of reasons, some having a laugh, some because the clothes feel comfortable, some because they just want to or because they are transgender.

And these things do change.

The hair of men and women has gone through cycles of acceptability, beards for men once seen as practically mandatory are now practically banned by some employers, in the past only labourers wore jeans now anyone can.

 

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Leonardo said:

TheBoost said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

erm, sorry they're not. They are all men, complete with their meat and two veg still intact.

My mind=BLOWN

didn't you see it coming a mile away, though?

anyway, they're all gorgeous.

Yeah. Right up until the point where your presented with the last turkey in the shop.

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Bingowings said:

^Sarongs, kilts and grass skirts are already sold in mens clothing shops.

And a large minority of people dabble in 'trannywear' for a variety of reasons, some having a laugh, some because the clothes feel comfortable, some because they just want to or because they are transgender.

And these things do change.

The hair of men and women has gone through cycles of acceptability, beards for men once seen as practically mandatory are now practically banned by some employers, in the past only labourers wore jeans now anyone can.

 

I can't see skirts ever becoming unisex attire. Hairy legs do not suit skirts and men haven't got hour glass figures. A skirt is designed to show off the natural curves of a woman's body. The same way as a tailor made suit from Saville Row is designed to fit a mans physique. If some bloke wants to walk around in a skirt, I can't see what contentious point they're trying to make? Other than 'I'm different from everyone else' which is crap in my eyes because your inner personality is what makes you different. Not what the opinion of a bunch of strangers who don't truly know you think when they pass you in the street.

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Hairy legs and kilts are the ideal combination.

What's are shorts if not a skirt with a seam up the middle?